----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "leedslist" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Statement on the club site regarding the potential appeal
> Rick, I have to pull you up here. What do you mean, "If you do some > digging"? Do you mean if you 'read between the lines' and spin this into > an argument for yourself or that you have evidence of a clash of ego's > between the owners of the companies named and Bates? Tim (and Mark if that is OK), I'm happy to debate various items with you but please would you stop defining your own scenarios and pushing them onto me. Firstly I do not have a foot in some other camp (whatever camp that may be) and nor does the Trust. You are not the only people who can make balanced judgements and such judgements, at least on this side, invariably are made LONG before any posting on here. If you wish to view it as some biased diatribe that you can set against very clearly self-serving opposing views so that you can form some sort of average out of them then that is your choice but it does not constitute any sort of balanced judgement on your part as you try to make out. There is no argument "for myself". If you wish to see things in such a way then you are only obscuring the picture for yourself and that in itself prevents your own balanced judgement. In answer to your question above, by all means pull me up on it but that is no reason to define things as a clash of egos between company owners and Bates. Where is your evidence for any such thing ? Did you simply make it up to sound good ? If you wish to define any situation where there is not 100% agreement with Bates as being a clash of egos then the problem is your definition. It does nothing to aid clarity. It has nothing to do with reading between the lines. It is about researching into who is connected to who (professionally and politically - in a loose sense). (This means actually checking and not simply pointing fingers in baseless accusations). One of these two companies was selected for a very specific reason (and further research is going on into why the other one was selected). I asked that you do some digging for yourself. I did not suggest some baseless imaginings of clashes of egos. > Why shouldn't Bates et al mention such companies when you and his many > other detractors feel happy to use Yorkshire Radio as a counter argument > because it's involvment helped Bates? Aren't you one of the many asking > for transparency in the club and it's financial dealings? Can it not be > argued that this is exactly that? This argument is so disingenuous as to be almost worrying. Yorkshire Radio is so linked to Bates, Taylor and the club that mentioning them in the same breath is not any sort of transparancy nor is it a revelation. There is no need even to comment upon Taylors own company. If you wish to portray publicly mentioning a completely outside company who has lost money becuase of this as some sort of balance and make it sound in any way similar, then it says much about how you reach your other supposedly "balanced judgements". > I also note towards the end of your post you again use the penny in the > pound argument, whether or not better offers were put forward, it isn't > that simple is it? But to admit the additional 30p in the pound (That I > was unaware of) would weaken your stance wouldn't it? As you admit to not knowing then I'll willingly talk again after you find out more about it. Then you may already have realised that it in no way weakens the stance as you currently prefer to imagine. Take some time as it is a bigger subjet than you may currently think. I cannot speak for Morris and nor would I wish to. In fact I have never spoken to him. I have been asked to have a meeting with Simon Morris but no such meeting has ever taken place. _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. Leedslist mailing list [email protected] http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist Join The Leeds United Supporters Trust at www.lufctrust.org
