> All true Eric, but, what do you think would happen if those guys didn't 
> voluntarily sign up for the forces?

Maybe politicians would have to send their own sons to war?. Centuries
of war show that the poor
are sent to war, over and over again. I suspect if politicians had to
send their own to war there would be less war.

Yes, a country needs armed forces to defend itself, I think thats
totally legitimate. However invading a country to save it from itself
has been "trendy" of late. Some countries are neutral and have armies
(sweden, switzerland) yet they are viewed as peaceful nations. Others
use their armies more freely (its good for business amongst other
things), some make army service compulsory for all, women and men thus
creating a constant "state" of war. etc.
Thats where it gets too much for me. This is my opinion and I am
entitled to have it and post it, which brings me to my final comment:

This whole debate is about someone else's opinion. Rob H. and
everybody else here are entitled to have his opinion and to express
it. Even if it means disagreeing of course. Its diversity. If you
don't like diversity then have a think about what uniformity really
means.
I get challenged  by diversity every day too I.E., cant say I dig karaoke :-)

Im outta here.
Eric

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Simon Hart <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> All true Eric, but, what do you think would happen if those guys didn't
> voluntarily sign up for the forces?
>
> The country needs armed forces and if nobody signed up voluntarily we would
> have to have conscription / national service.
>
> You, I and anyone else who does not want to serve in the forces needs those
> guys to sign up. To say they reap what they sow is a little uncharitable.
>
> What bothers me about poppies is that every single person you see on TV at
> this time of year is wearing a poppy. You get the feeling that every TV
> producer is saying to their presenters, 'here, you better wear this!'.
>
> When you or I buy a poppy we are making a contribution to the good work the
> British legion does. Are all these stars on TV actually making a personal
> contribution for the poppy they are wearing? They should be, but I doubt it.
>
> Did every single one of those highly pampered premiership stars who wore
> poppies on their shirts this weekend make a personal contribution to the
> poppy appeal? If they are wearing it they bloody well should have! But I
> doubt it.
>
> Si.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric B
> Sent: 08 November 2009 20:30
> To: Robert Heath
> Cc: Leeds List; [email protected]; Richard Walker
> Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU: Poppy fascism
>
> I never liked or adhered to social pressure myself, so I can relate to
> what you are saying Rob.
>
> Most armies today are professional (you pass a test and you re hired),
> for those guys, like me and you, the universal law of nature states
> you reap what you sow.
>
> Prior to that kids/men were taken away by their govt. and sent to die.
> Those I feel sorry for.
>
>
>
>
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