Leonard, What you are describing is only changing the content of a "text label". What Ken meant was that the database design (i.e. tables, queries, reports, screens, etc...) would all have to be modified. It's like taking your car into the shop and asking that they swap the trunk and the engine around (like the old Volkswagon beetles). There are many labor hours involved and it is not an overnight deal. I'm sure that Legacy's Research and Development team are entertaining all ideas and concepts on how to convert the existing system to accomodate same sex relationships. Just by looking at your posting below, Denmark was the first country to accept this, but it did not happen until 1989. There was not another country until 1993/1994; and they were all in the same vicinity. The rest of the world seemed only to accept this towards the later 1990's and early 2000's; but it's taken a span of at least 15 years or more. Let's try and be patience with Legacy. For the most part they are very accomodating to their customer base and still provide FREE updates where everyone else CHARGES you for each update. Valerie
_____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Leonard Johnson Sweden Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 2:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Relationship Entries Tom: On March 29, 2008 I posted the following to the LegacyTranslation mailing list: "It seems to me that we have a problem, i.e. how do we register relatives that have become partners through the various statues (laws) in effect in the following Countries and States of the Union? Using the new Marriage Information Form we will be able to change the words "Husband" and "Wife" to read for example to "Partner" and "Partner" or "Husband" and "Husband" or "Wife" and "Wife". We will be able to change the used of the word "Marriage" to "Civil Union" or "Common Law Marriage" or "Domestic Partnership", etc. I asked Ken if it would be possible to register such "Civil Unions" were the partners are of the same gender. He said that it would not be possible at this time. I ask the question why it is not possible? We are able to change the wording in the new Marriage Information Form and if we can do that what's the problem? If we, for example, change the wording on the right side of the form from "Wife" to "Husband" and change the wording from "Marriage" to "Civil Union" we have, as I see it, registered a "Civil Union". We now have a Union between members of the same gender. I don't understand why this is a problem for Legacy? I don't understand what the problem is and would be grateful for an explanation. The following is a list of the Countries and States of the Union where some form of "Civil Union" is possible and this means that, as I see it, we have a problem. What is the solution to this problem? Civil union >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia United States Jurisdictions in the U.S. that offer civil unions or domestic partnerships granting nearly all of the state-recognized rights of marriage to same-sex couples include Civil Unions in Vermont (2000), Domestic Partnerships in California (2000), Civil Unions in Connecticut (2005), Civil Unions in New Jersey (2007), Civil Unions in New Hampshire (2008), and Domestic Partnerships in Oregon (2008),[10] States in the U.S. with domestic partnerships or similar status granting some of the rights of marriage include Reciprocal Beneficiary Relationships in Hawaii (1997), Domestic Partnerships in the District of Columbia (1992/2002), Domestic Partnerships in Maine (2004), Domestic Partnerships in New Jersey (2004) (now available only for couples 62 and older), and Domestic Partnerships in Washington (2007). Massachusettsis the only state that offers same-sex marriage. Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2004 in Massachusetts, and on August 31, 2007 in Iowa. [11]Until further court review, Iowa does not permit same sex marriage. Canada In Canada: Domestic partnerships in Nova Scotia (2001), Civil unions in Quebec (2002), Common-law relationships in Manitoba (2002), and Adult interdependent relationships in Alberta (2003) were extended to same-sex couples before the enactment (2005) nationwide of same-sex marriage in Canada. Between June 2003 and June 2005, courts in eight provinces and one territory of Canada extended marriage to include same-sex couples. Latin America In Mexico: Mexico City (2006) and the state of Coahuila (2007). In South America: some parts of Brazil (2004), Argentine capital of Buenos Aires, Rio Negro Province (2003) and the city of Villa Carlos Paz (2007). Uruguay, nationwide (2007 Europe In Europe, Denmark (1989), Norway (1993), Sweden (1995), Iceland (1996), France (1999), Finland (2002), Portugal (2001), Germany (2001), Luxembourg (2004), Andorra (2005), United Kingdom (2005), the Czech Republic (2006), Slovenia (2006), and Switzerland (2007), Hungary (1996/2009). [13] In 2001, the Netherlandspassed a law allowing same-sex couples to marry, in addition to its 1998 "registered partnership" law (civil union) for both same-sex and opposite-sex couples. Belgium did likewise in 2003. Spain legalized same-sex marriage in 2005. On 31 October 2007, during a parliamentary debate in Dáil Éireann on an opposition Bill to introduce civil unions, the government of the Republic of Ireland announced that it will be introducing its own legislation to create civil unions in March 2008.[ Africa In Africa: South Africalegalized same-sex marriage in 2006; civil unions are also available to same-sex couples. Asia In the Middle East: Israel (1994 as common-law marriage; 2006 as recognition of foreign marriage). Oceania In Oceania: New Zealand (2005) and all Australian jurisdictions (both states and territories) provide either a registered partnership/ "Significant Relationships" or unregistered co-habitation - Including; New South Wales (unregistered co-habitation from 1999) Victoria (unregistered co-habitation from 2001; registered partnership from 2008) Northern Territory (unregistered co-habitation from 2004) Tasmania(unregistered co-habitation since 2002; "Significant Relationships" 2004) Western Australia (unregistered co-habitation from 2002) Queensland (unregistered co-habitation from 2003) Norfolk Island (unregistered co-habitation from 2006) South Australia (unregistered co-habitation from 2007) The Australian Capital Territory (unregistered co-habitation from 1994; Civil partnership from 2008). Under the Australian Commonwealth laws 58 pieces of legislation discriminate same-sex couples by using the term "member of the opposite sex" and same-sex marriage as well as civil unions/civil partnerships are banned also under Commonwealth law. Have a nice day, Leonard Johnson Team Leader Swedish Translation Team" The following is what Ken McGinnis of Millennia wrote: "From: "Ken McGinnis" <[email protected]> To: "Maurice A. LeBlanc" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Legacy-Francais] Enhancement request > It wasn't a moral issue. It was simply over looked in the early stages of > Legacy design. Currently there are all kinds of queries when collecting > spouses for a person. We look at the main person we want and get his > gender. That then tells us how to do the queries. If we had to look on > both sides of the marriage record (we have a Husband ID and a Wife ID > as > we call them) things would be a lot more complicated and would slow things > down quite a bit. This would hit all kinds of areas in Legacy and with > our current database design wouldn't be very efficient. We know this > issue has been important for many and will continue to grow in importance. > To implement it correctly would take quite a bit of work and would not > only affect Legacy but all of the current add-on programs. I guess > because of the complexity of a change at this point we have held off. At > some point the presure of things will force us to dive in and make the > changes required. > > Thanks > > Ken McGinnis > Millennia Corporation > [email protected] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/> [^] > We are changing the world of genealogy!" Have a nice day, Leonard Johnson Team Leader Swedish Translation Team On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:31 PM, marilyn E B <[email protected]> wrote: Tom, Try searching the Archives for this problem. I seem to remember that someone has created a work around for this situation. Maybe that person will reply here. This has been discussed several times on the list. Marilyn On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Tom Thorpe <[email protected]> wrote: Good Morning All, Might anyone know how Legacy can handle same sex relationships? I have a female cousin with a Life Partner. When I list them as a couple, I am unable to change the sex of one of them, incorrectly listed as male. If I unlink them, change her entry to female and try re-linking them, I am unable to do so. Any ideas? Thanks. 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