Dammit EJT, I've already been violated - I'm one of those who suffered directly as a result of 9-11. And take a good hard look in the mirror before you make any assertions about how "we" deserved it. Neither you nor I and most certainly my brother, have anything to do with any action at any time, except by accident of birth with this Nation, what may or may not have been done to Muslims long before we were born.
My brother didn't die in the WTC by sheer luck, I lost a multi-million dollar fortune to telcom/stock fallout that followed and a marriage. You have it exactly backwards. This blame-America nonsense, which is the genesis of this attitude, is suicidal. What libs engage in when they talk as you do below is moral relativism. They make it categorical that the invasion of a country is wrong under all circumstances. It isn't of course. You have the NAP-given right to take out any threat the moment you perceive it or have evidence of it. It is utterly irrelevant that Saddam didn't have WMD's in reality. He acted as if he did and that he intended to use them via surrogates. This is why the war was justified regardless of the inane propaganda going on to the contrary. The failure was not to get out at once and not getting a Congressional declaration of war. IF we had real leadership, it would have been the Saudis that we would have taken out. What I find amazing is that if you found out your neighbour was plotting to destroy your house with explosive in the middle of the night you would have no trouble taking the creep out yourself or with the police. But when a nation engages in the exact same behavior, we cringe and wring our hands. Is that rational? ----- Original Message ----- From: ejt To: LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Think about this: This is a crass, simplistic interpretation of the history of the region and is not sufficient. It is this narrow-view, highly typical of libertarians, (so your view is not unique,) that loses libertarians people quickly and effectively. We have to grow and look further. Dear Doctor, Please =do= contain yourself! If you were being violated by an invader in ways that revile you, would you plead as you do? Or, would you seek to revenge, in the most insidious of ways? Maybe you need to be violated, in order to 'feel' the pain? ET -- It is a fine thing to face machine guns for immortality and a medal, but isn't it a fine thing, too, to face calumny, injustice and loneliness for the truth which makes men free? - H. L. Mencken