At 07:03 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote:
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>Zack Bass wrote: And you are misrepresenting Egypt. There are Laws 
>against the use of Violence against women who are not virgins. Shit 
>man, THINK! They have whores there.
>
>Such laws in countries with an Islamic majority are largely 
>'cosmetic'. They are NOT enforced. Little or nothing is done to 
>those who kill and mutilate women because of their sexual behavior.
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>We're not talking about the Right of a slut to be a slut without 
>fear of Violence. None of those using this Kit are seeking to 
>convince angry pitchfork-wielding mobs of their virginity. These 
>kits are for the sole purpose of tricking the man who is FUCKING a 
>slut that she is a virgin. I say that it is Fraud - a violation of 
>NAP - for anyone to trick a man thusly. If he doesn't want to stick 
>his dick in a filth-ridden hole, that is his right. If he asks, 
>either refuse to answer or tell the Truth; DO NOT DEFRAUD HIM.
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>Zack, I think you do not understand the culture that exists in 
>Islamic countries. Women in such countries are PROPERTY. They are 
>regarded as little more than donkeys, that belong first to their 
>fathers, then to whatever man their father chooses for them to 
>marry. If a woman has sex, be it one time or a hundred times, or 
>however many times you think she needs to in order to become a 
>'slut'  she will be KILLED. (and btw, how many times does a man have 
>to have sex before HE becomes a 'slut' I wonder. The Muslims, and 
>you as well, don't seem to worry too much about THAT! As for a 
>'filthy hole', what about a 'filthy pole? Or is that different?),
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>Either her father will kill her, or her husband will, if this is 
>discovered. Simply telling the 'truth' is not a realistic option in 
>an Islamic country. A woman there will have a husband chosen for 
>her, by her father. She is expected to marry him, regardless of her 
>opinion on the matter, and she is expected to be a virgin at the 
>time of marriage. Period, end of story. She has no more right in 
>Islamic culture to decide she would like a different husband, or no 
>husband at all than a donkey  belonging to a particular farmer would 
>have to decide that it would prefer to belong to a different farmer, 
>or no farmer.
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>Telling her father or her husband that she is not a virgin, and 
>remaining single, in order to avoid 'defrauding' the man, isn't 
>going to happen, if she has any sort of survival instinct. She will 
>be taken out and strangled or stoned to death.

Excellent points.  One of the most basic of the principles that under 
lies the ZAP is that of self ownership. A society that treats humans 
as someone else's property is initiating.  To the extent that 
individuals within that society enable such behavior, they can also 
be viewed as initiatiors.

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