Good evening, Tim! Tim Bedding wrote to Jay P. Hailey...
Jay previously wrote: > > The bill of rights is about limiting what the government does. > > It's not conditional. To which, you replied thusly: > Well said. > If Kerry had made his stand on that issue, which is a serious > criticism of the Bush government, then he might perhaps have commanded > more support. Certainly, if I had been eligible to vote, I might > have voted for such a position. I've had smtp port setting problems resulting in switching to a new ISP today. The problems have been going on for several days. I made a manual port change to a new software mail programme, and that too enables posting once again. I'm saying this to let you know I haven't been paying close enough attention to the list messages for the past few days. That said, are you suggesting that John Kerry's record on upholding the Bill of Rights surprasses that of The Shrub? Or, are you suggesting that Kerry should have just come out and implied as much whether or not such a record existed to substantiate such a superior performance record in the first place? > As it was, the Kerry campaign seemed to focus more on the Iraq > war deception by Bush where the issues are a lot less clear to me. > It is also worth pointing out that I have heard that a number > of individuals held in the base in Cuba may not be combatants > at all, but are merely suspected terrorists, placed there by > people working with the US security services. Recent media attention, as well as overcrowding of the US Cuban facility at Guantanamo Bay, are in fact repatriating many of these prisoners to their own host countries. Other prisoners are being shipped to detention facilities elsewhere under third government control for further 'interogation'. I wrote several days ago, that two muslim 'terror suspects' in Sweeden were physically kidnapped by the USCIA in Stockholm and spirited away to Egypt to undergo interrogation as the US government increasingly is being criticized as being unlawful and using torture tactics to gain information. This may be a technicality, as in Egypt, the US has little jurisdiction over Egypt's security forces, and its interrogation of prisoners. Another troubling aspect in all of this is that it has now become public knowledge that the CIA has been apprehending such prisoners on foreign soil and spiriting them away to various OTHER nations across the planet, including Egypt for interrogation. This has become a rather routine operating in recent months following a lot of unfavourable media and human rights groups publicity. Obviously, since the CIA is doing the kidnapping and transporting of such muslim people, it is most probable that the CIA is working either in-charge, or at least in tandem with other nation's security forces to extrapolate intelligence gathering that would be blatantly illegal in the United States and most other western countries. > Bush has said there is a war on terror. If so, then prisoners > of that war ought to be given the benefits of the Geneva > Convention. That would be an useful thing to do in the battle > for hearts and minds. Well, we've already lost that edge over winning hearts and minds. Tonight CBS News revealed that US respect from islamic states in general are now at there lowest level in several generations. I doubt if such a perception and standing vis-a-vis islamic countries and the US will change markedly for the better in at least one more more decades. It could also go the other way and even get much worse, that is, unless we effect some regime change here at home in the U.S. > It is a surprise to me that someone like Lowell, who has struck > me as quite rational with regard to issues in general, would not > want to support human rights and the Geneva Convention. Well, don't be too surprised. I am not. Kindest regards, Frank _______________________________________________ Libnw mailing list Libnw@immosys.com List info and subscriber options: http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw
