Are you saying that the survey and report are not accurate? None of the days listed in the survey are a public holiday.
April 12, 13, 16, 17, 24, 27, and 29, and May 8, 2013 The only public holiday around that time is Patriots day, April 15, which was not a day listed. On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:12 AM Margaret Olson <s...@margaretolson.com> wrote: > In commenting on the survey I was referring only to the impact of the > train on retail. I was on the planning board at the time and asked the > consultant for details. I was not happy with the answers. > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:05 AM Karla Gravis <karlagra...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I thought the premise of locating 100% of rezoned units around the train >> station and giving away our town meeting negotiating power was to "support >> and maintain our small commercial center" and "promote decarbonization >> and climate change adaptation by rezoning near transportation and >> amenities. >> >> But we are now being told that the plans for the mall will reduce >> commercial space and that we may not even be able to keep Donelan's. So why >> do we insist on putting all rezoned housing into the same spot where there >> are likely to be fewer amenities in the future? The train schedule is >> limited and unreliable enough that it is naive to think people will take >> the train to do a grocery run. It sounds like a situation where the cure is >> worse than the disease. >> >> *It is not true that much of the study was conducted at noon on a public >> holiday.* The consulting team conducted field studies across 8 days, >> none of which were public holidays. (April 12, 13, 16, 17, 24, 27, and 29, >> and May 8, 2013. Page 25 of the study). >> >> >> https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/65765/Lincoln-Station-Planning-Study-3-27-2014bwfinal >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:02 AM melinda bruno-smith < >> melindabr...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I too thought the town was interested in developing or at least >>> maintaining its commercial center. >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Melinda Bruno-Smith >>> >>> On Nov 12, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Margaret Olson <s...@margaretolson.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> We have no guarantees that the RLF will maintain Donelan's either. If >>> Donelan's is not sufficiently profitable they will leave, and the RLF may >>> or may not be willing and able to set their rent at a level that keeps them >>> profitable. >>> >>> A note on the 2014 study: much of the research on the impact of the >>> train was conducted at noon on a public holiday. >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:07 AM Karla Gravis <karlagra...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I want to emphasize that the Mall is currently a profitable >>>> concern.The RLF disclosed a rental profit of $164,571 in 2022. Details >>>> here >>>> <https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/46132391/202341749349301024/full>. >>>> However, if we rezone it by right, Civico would get to decide what >>>> mix of commercial and residential to build. As a private enterprise, they >>>> will choose to build whatever leads to the highest profits, which we know >>>> is residential. Ms. Barnes mentioned that commercial space will be >>>> reduced during the forum on Wednesday. We have no guarantees that >>>> Civico would maintain Donelan's or any of the existing commercial space. >>>> This >>>> outcome would be at odds with our goal of supporting our commercial center >>>> and reducing the town's carbon footprint. This is one of the reasons why it >>>> is so important that the Mall redevelopment goes through Town Meeting. >>>> >>>> It is also important to puncture the myth that building units at >>>> Lincoln Station would do much to boost the commercial prospects of the >>>> area: >>>> >>>> - The Planning Board released a Lincoln Station Planning Study in >>>> 2014. The study concluded that each 100 units added would only support >>>> 2,500 sq ft of space. For reference, Donelan's footprint is 20,387 sq >>>> ft. >>>> Study here >>>> >>>> <https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/65765/Lincoln-Station-Planning-Study-3-27-2014bwfinal> >>>> - 2,500 sq ft of commercial space per 100 units is probably a very >>>> optimistic number. The Study assumed that the leakage (% of convenience >>>> buys by residents that happen outside of Lincoln Station) would come >>>> down >>>> from 80% to 50%. If we use the actual 80% leakage, those 100 units would >>>> only support 1,000 sq ft of space. >>>> - In all likelihood the leakage is actually higher than 80% today >>>> given the increased penetration of online sales in the nine years >>>> elapsed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: DJCP <djcp0...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 08:14 >>>>> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning >>>>> Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive. >>>>> To: Listserv Listserv <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The best way to make sure commercial stays commercial is to make the >>>>> businesses viable and the best way to do that is to make sure there are >>>>> people shopping there. Sorry but people from other towns are not flocking >>>>> to Lincoln to buy $10 pints of strawberries from Donelans. And I've only >>>>> been here 5 years and have noticed the string of restaurants that have >>>>> tried to fill the ONE space. Whether we make any changes there's no >>>>> guarantee these businesses will stick around. That's capitalism folks. But >>>>> we can help by AT LEAST zoning for more housing in the area. >>>>> >>>>> Diana >>>>> Giles Rd >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 8:08 AM Peter Buchthal <pbucht...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Along similar lines, how can the town ensure commercial space stays >>>>>> commercial as the new owners could easily decide to raise very high or >>>>>> not >>>>>> renew any commercial lease in order to build more luxury residential >>>>>> units >>>>>> by right as long as the project has unused housing units within the >>>>>> zoning >>>>>> allotment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Buchthal >>>>>> Weston Rd >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 12:27 PM David Cuetos <davidcue...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How can the RLF guarantee that any particular commercial space will >>>>>>> remain once they sell the land to Civico? Are they planning to include >>>>>>> a requirement for a supermarket in the deed? Anything else would just >>>>>>> be a >>>>>>> "recommendation". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 6:09 PM Margo Fisher-Martin < >>>>>>> margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We know that a zoning change does not “dictate” that anything be >>>>>>>> built or changed, but we also know that major changes WILL happen in >>>>>>>> Lincoln, should this pass. Do any of you remember many years ago when >>>>>>>> zoning changes were made that impacted any changes an owner could make >>>>>>>> (as >>>>>>>> much as a bay window) without ZBA approval on pre-existing >>>>>>>> non-conforming >>>>>>>> lots? Some people who are pushing for the re-zoning here are the same >>>>>>>> people that tried to instill the fear of “mansionisation” should we >>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>> any changes to homes on less than 2 acre lots. At town meeting, they >>>>>>>> showed >>>>>>>> pictures of dense mid-rise housing from other towns to scare people >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>> taking away the rights of the pre-existing (grandfathered) >>>>>>>> non-conforming >>>>>>>> lot owners. Now some of these same people are advocating for providing >>>>>>>> similar dense mid-rise housing that they were adamantly opposed to. >>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>> happened to the “stewards of the land?” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Margo Martin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 5:27 PM Margaret Olson < >>>>>>>> s...@margaretolson.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michelle Barnes from the RLF can confirm, but I believe Donelan's >>>>>>>> will remain after the mall redevelopment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A reminder: zoning affects what the property owner has a right to >>>>>>>> do with their property. It does not dictate that anything be built or >>>>>>>> changed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 4:38 PM Terri via Lincoln < >>>>>>>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I am reading the rezoning plans correctly.... the Reducition >>>>>>>>> in retail includes eliminating Donelans and the Bank. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is this correct? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Theresa K >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 11:25:26 AM EST, Sara Mattes < >>>>>>>>>> samat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is the alternative for the nation area to fill it with dense >>>>>>>>>> housing, while we are told there will be reduction in retail? >>>>>>>>>> And, that housing will only reflect the wealth gap-only 10% >>>>>>>>>> affordable, and the rest, high-end? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What happened to the concept of a “vibrant commercial center?” >>>>>>>>>> What happened to a “walkable village?” >>>>>>>>>> What will everyone walk to as retail is reduced? >>>>>>>>>> Each other's units? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let us be more creative in what we can develop. >>>>>>>>>> As Ken has suggested, we have done it in the past. >>>>>>>>>> We seem to have lost our mojo. >>>>>>>>>> Let’s get it back. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The HCA is NOT the answer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>>> Sara Mattes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2023, at 10:55 AM, Ken Hurd <kenh...@keha.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello LincolnTalkers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> During the discussion on the Zoom forum hosted by the HCAWG on >>>>>>>>>> Wednesday evening, I mentioned the recently released report on the >>>>>>>>>> history >>>>>>>>>> of exclusionary zoning in the Boston area. And also, for those of >>>>>>>>>> you who >>>>>>>>>> couldn’t stay to see it following the Wednesday morning forum at >>>>>>>>>> Town Hall, >>>>>>>>>> below is the link to hear the presentation sponsored by The Boston >>>>>>>>>> Foundation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unless we know our history, it is known that history has a >>>>>>>>>> tendency to repeat itself. With respect to objections raised to the >>>>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>>>> offered by the Housing Choice Working Group, I do hope that current >>>>>>>>>> residents can follow the example of earlier Lincoln leaders from the >>>>>>>>>> 1970’s >>>>>>>>>> who worked with, rather than against, the 40B mandate from the state >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> provide more affordable housing. That, and their efforts to >>>>>>>>>> preserve land >>>>>>>>>> in a way that could be shared with others, made Lincoln a model >>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>> that attracted national attention. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With the Housing Choice Act, there is no less an opportunity to >>>>>>>>>> combine our responsibility to provide more housing in the greater >>>>>>>>>> Boston >>>>>>>>>> region with helping to revive the ailing Lincoln Station area. >>>>>>>>>> After all, >>>>>>>>>> given our current manner of approving development around Lincoln >>>>>>>>>> Station >>>>>>>>>> and the fact that there has been no interest by developers in doing >>>>>>>>>> so for >>>>>>>>>> the past eighteen years, even with more favorable economic >>>>>>>>>> conditions, why >>>>>>>>>> should we expect anything different other than more empty spaces >>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>> for lease going forward? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I urge us to affirm the work of the Working Group to fulfill the >>>>>>>>>> spirit of the Housing Choice Act by supporting Option C, including >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> rezoning of the mall, to address this conundrum. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here is the link to the report: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Exclusionary by Design: An Investigation of Zoning’s Use as a >>>>>>>>>> Tool of Race, Class, and Family Exclusion in Boston’s Suburbs, 1920 >>>>>>>>>> to Today >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.tbf.org/news-and-insights/videos/2023/november/exclusionary-by-design-20231108> >>>>>>>>>> tbf.org >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.tbf.org/news-and-insights/videos/2023/november/exclusionary-by-design-20231108> >>>>>>>>>> <tbfico.png> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.tbf.org/news-and-insights/videos/2023/november/exclusionary-by-design-20231108> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.tbf.org/news-and-insights/videos/2023/november/exclusionary-by-design-20231108> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>>>>>> Ken Hurd >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 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