Linux-Advocacy Digest #842, Volume #25 Mon, 27 Mar 00 20:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude (abraxas)
Re: An Illuminating Anecdote ("John W. Stevens")
Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude (Mark Hamstra)
Re: Penquins Forever! Was (Re: A pox on the penguin?) (Terry Porter)
Re: Gnome/Gnu programmers Suck. -- Not a troll (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Top 10 reasons why Linux sux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude (Chris Lee)
Re: Weak points (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Weak points (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Penquins Forever! Was (Re: A pox on the penguin?) (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: 80286 Question : was : I WAS WRONG (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: What should be the outcome of Microsoft antitrust suit. (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude (Gary Hallock)
Re: Let's blow this Linux Scam Wide Open!! (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude
Date: 27 Mar 2000 23:59:32 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : HFS and HFS+, since the invention of the dynamically updated desktop file.
> "Dynamically updated desktop file" has absolutely _NOTHING_ to do with
> filesystem journaling.
Agreed.
> : It is a journaled filesystem in the strictest sense of the term.
> No, it is not.
Yes, it is.
> I thought Linux users were the sort who "understood"
> computer systems.
Why dont you ask me exactly what operating systems I use before you continue
this argument on this false premise?
> Again, I ask... "what's your excuse?"
I ummm...dont actually use linux all that much.
> HFS is not journaled in _ANY_ sense of the word.
Yes it is.
> Here, go learn
> something. In some ways, it's even more limited than FAT16 (DOS).
In some ways, so is XFS.
> http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n8647
Been there, done that.
> Now, make sure that next time you have a clue before you spout off.
> --
Tell me, do you actually have a job in the field and if you do, who did you
suck on to get it?
=====yttrx
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From: "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Illuminating Anecdote
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:03:05 -0700
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> What micro-controller John, is it a 8051 variant by any chance ?
Yep.
The current GCC (2.95.2) doesn't have this configuration in the default
sources, but I've used it a couple of times. This configuration is
something that was contributed by a third party, and as far as I know,
is still available.
Rumour has it that it isn't part of the standard gcc distro in 2.95.2
due to some changes in the config file format. I suspect that to use
GCC for 8051 cross development, one of the 2.7.x GCC's would be your
best bet.
Why? You doing some 8051 dev?
--
If I spoke for HP --- there probably wouldn't BE an HP!
John Stevens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mark Hamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude
Date: 27 Mar 2000 18:45:23 -0500
George Marengo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 27 Mar 2000 14:57:29 -0500, Mark Hamstra
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >George Marengo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> As I understand it, a Journaling File System has a log that it keeps
> >> of all changes to the filesystem.
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >> Am I missing something here?
> >
> >Yes. Journaling File System does not imply data logging. In other
> >words, a filesystem that logs just the metadata to a journal is
> >a Journaling File System. A filesystem that logs the data as well
> >as the metadata is, of course, also a Journaling File System, and
> >has some advantages and performance differences as compared to a
> >JFS implementation that only logs metadata.
> >
> >NTFS has always been a metadata logging JFS, and NTFS5 is now also
> >a data logging JFS.
>
> O.K., thanks. Is that the reason why, after crashes, my FAT
> drives take much longer to go through the file system check
> than NTFS drive (they are the same size) ?
Yup, that's one of the big reasons.
--
Mark Hamstra
Bentley Systems, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Penquins Forever! Was (Re: A pox on the penguin?)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Mar 2000 08:07:21 +0800
On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:44:59 GMT,
Robert Heininger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:00:33 +0200,
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Matthias Warkus' wrote:
>
>
>>: It was the Sun, 26 Mar 2000 02:17:46 GMT...
>>: ...and ax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>: >
>>: > "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>: > news:8b62hc$g8p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>: > > BTW, little known facts about penquins.
>>: > >
>>: > > Penquins are quite clumsy on land.
>>: > >
>>: > > But in the sea, penquins fly like birds when they swim.
>>: > >
>>: >
>>: > But in Linux, all penguins are lazy sitting with round belly.
>>: > They cannot walk or fly. They cannot even stand up
>>: > with fat belly. Linux penguins must have been eating
>>: > too much "free" stuff.
>>:
>>: Ever played "Tux the Penguin: A Quest For Herring"? The Linux penguin
>>: can indeed run, jump and swim. Maybe even fly.
>
>
>Is that a Linux game? Playstion's and Dreamcast's are for playing games, not
>computers. Why even bother, if it is?
This blanket statement just isn't true.
Can A Playstation or Dreamcast have multiplayer tcp/ip Koules ?
Hahahaha , I've had *five* kids playing Koules together on *one* pc!
Two on each side of the keyboard (long ways) and one on the mouse!
How about Multiplayer tcp/ip Freeciv ?
Lets remember Playstations and Dreamcasts are just microprocessor
devices however optomised towards fast video etc.
They are also proprietary devices.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Gnome/Gnu programmers Suck. -- Not a troll
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:10:23 GMT
On 27 Mar 2000 23:42:46 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:56:52 GMT, Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>:>
>:>Which all adds up to an overall useless observation.
>:>
>:>It makes sense to compare the use of an RPM or dpkg package with the
>:>use of an InstallShield package.
>:>
>:>Of course, this is a .advocacy group, where comparisons are made when
>:>people feel like making them, where reason plays little role...
>
>: Even the tarbal vs. rpm argument is useful. Tarballs have the
>: benefit of being much more flexible with respect to dependencies.
>: If you happen to be a minor version behind on some library, a
>: recompile can be simpler. Besides, most tarballs are just a matter
>: of regurgitating a couple of standard sequences.
>
>: ./configure
>: make
>: make install
>
>: These are all fairly descriptive and intuitive (given the
>: activity) mnemonics. They should be easy enough to remember
>: after the 5th or 10th time.
>
>But those are properties of source vs binary installs, not
>tarball vs RPM. Some tarballs are binaries and some RPMs are
>source code, so what you gave wasn't really a tarball/rpm
>comparasin.
Yes it is. The command to rebuild and then install a source
rpm is rather cryptic versus make commands. This always
annoys me when getting updates for the 3DFX device driver.
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that theare the communists, but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why Linux sux
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:12:30 GMT
On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:46:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:40:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert
>Heininger) wrote:
>
>Well I have 128mb on a PII 450 and I think SO runs like crap. I have
>to keep looking at the hard drive light to avoid clicking on things
>twice because it is so damm slow.
My copy of SO5 doesn't run quite that badly on a K6III/400
with a mere 128M. It certainly doesn't run slowly enough to
give one the impression that VM is being hit hard or exercise
the disk in an audible fashion.
>
>Steve
>
>
>>
>>Heck, WindozeNT chokes-n-pukes all over itself when confronted with 64mb ram,
>>too. I have 128mb of ram in a 300mhz PII, and Star Office runs just fine.
>
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that theare the communists, but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude
Date: 28 Mar 2000 00:17:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>
>"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8bnqg8$n6l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> "W. Kiernan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >>> Mark Hamstra wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "W. Kiernan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Was it really Chad Myers who wrote?:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > ...NTFS, which has journaling.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > It does? That's news to me.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You shouldn't be so quick to broadcast your ignorance.
>> >>>
>> >>> I shouldn't ask questions, you mean. I should learn by telepathy,
>> >>> osmosis, however you do it, you bigdeal genius you.
>>
>> >> Of course! <grin>
>>
>> >> NTFS 5 (which is implemented in Windows2000 and read by NT 4.0 SP4 and
>higher)
>> >> has a change journal.
>>
>> > Neat. Now its just like MacOS 7.5.1.
>>
>> Oh, and BeOS DR3.0, IRIX and Purgatory/Inferno.
>>
>> Catch up microsoft! Catch up! Tell us you invented it! We'll believe
>you!
>>
>
>maybe Linux will catchup some day later too and claim Linus wrote it.
Why does Linux have to catch up? There are already a number of journing fs
for linux now or in the works that linux users can install if they really
want to.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Weak points
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:18:57 GMT
On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:18:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:03:02 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:21:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>I'll agree with that statement. If you want beeps and squeeks and the
>>>ability to play a CD and are not really into what's going on with DVD
>>>then go buy a $20 SoundBlaster-16 and Linux will work fine.
>>
>> I can do considerably more than just beeps and squeeks as is
>> on a SB16/IDE. Beyond S/N, you've not demonstrated WHY most
>> common consumers (the ones that use Windows for ease, not
>> 'power' or the sort that would shop in CompUSA for their
>> software and soundcard rather than a music store) why they
>> would care about Linux's current faults.
>
>S/N, Distortion, digital outs, environmental audio (that actually
>works), front and rear speakers (that work), MIDI that doesn't require
>editing yet another file before compiling the driver and so forth.
>
>Bottom line is that even YOU, with one ear plugged with a cotton ball
>can hear the difference between a quality audio card and the typical
>junk supported by Linux.
>Listen to some quality cards and then come back and respond.
Actually, I have a rather Ferengi significant other that doesn't
percieve such a problem with what Linux outputs on my SB16. 128K
mpegs OTOH are a different matter.
Mebbe if you submitted some oscilliscope readings in gif format
we might take you a bit more seriously.
>
>
>> As far as DVD goes, unless you're doing something that the MPAA
>> would dissapprove of then you're just using the PC as a very
>> expensive DVD console anyways.
>
>Typical Linux supporter "we don't have it so it must suck" answer.
It's not like you can just rip the data off of the disk freely
and do nifty tricks with it like you can with CDROM audio. It's
a closed format. Even under Windows and MacOS people can't freely
exploit it. If you do, you get sued.
>
>When the DVD mess is finally resolved you bet that Linux will be last
>in line to support it properly.
I can play DVD's already actually. The difficult part is the legal
barriers put in place by those that think they own the DVD encoding
format. Even that can be dealt with with available software. It's
just the kind of software that those with ologopolistic market
control want to keep away from the public.
>
>
>> Nevermind that you're lying and/or misinformed when it comes to
>> Linux support of quality consumer audio hardware, enviromental
>> audio & DVD.
>
>Yawn..............
>
>A SB-16 is a piece of junk, just like every other sound card supported
>or half supported by Linux.
>
>You have ONE game that is PROMISING env. audio. The SBLive driver (as
>of last month) does not even support it (env audio) yet.
>So how ya' gonna play the game?
I'll just take the performance hit from lack of hardware acceleration.
[deletia]
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that theare the communists, but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Weak points
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:23:10 GMT
On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:20:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:05:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>>On 25 Mar 2000 11:23:54 +0800, Terry Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:45:29 GMT,
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:12:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:19:00 GMT,
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>On 23 Mar 2000 23:00:51 GMT, Brian Langenberger
>>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SetMeUp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[deletia]
>>>>So you won't spend $89.00 for a real, working, supported in mass
>>>>operating system but you will blow a couple of hundred EXTRA dollars
>>>>on a printer that doesn't do anything better than any other $99.00
>>>>printer on the market.
>>>What utter nonsense, how about 10 pages per minute at 600*600 dpi ?
>>>how about lower cost per page, than your $99 Winprinter ?
>>
>> Halleluiah! The $300 laser printer I alluded to (Brother 1240?)
>> I am looking at primarily for the combination of cost vs.
>> print speed & resolution.
>
>
>I send my condolences if you purchase ANYTHING from Brother....
>
>The are the AMC-Pacer of the printer/fax etc industry.
>
>It will be broken 2 days after it's warranty expires...
What a nice hypocrite you are. You pull the same sort of
stunt you accuse me of in the previous post. Although, with
your mentality, a printer only need be functional as long
as the warranty lasts anyways. You wouldn't want to put up
with some obsolete piece of trash that's been functional
likely since before you were computing...
>
>>>
>>>Steve as usual is stretching the facts right thru Wonderland and back.
>>[deletia]
>>
>> Mind you, what is essentially my 6 year old color deskjet is onsale
>> now at compusa under some other model name and retails at ~ $99.
>
>
>Linux and old crap hardware are a match made in heaven.
More hypocrisy.
Yesterday's 'old crap hardware' is typically todays cheap
'well supported' hardware that you hark about. I bought
quality then and it paid off. Whereas your 'cheap crap over
everything' mentality will just hurt end users in the end.
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that theare the communists, but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Penquins Forever! Was (Re: A pox on the penguin?)
Date: 28 Mar 2000 00:38:32 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:44:59 GMT...
>...and Robert Heininger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:00:33 +0200,
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Matthias Warkus' wrote:
>> >:
>> >: Ever played "Tux the Penguin: A Quest For Herring"? The Linux penguin
>> >: can indeed run, jump and swim. Maybe even fly.
>>
>> Is that a Linux game? Playstion's and Dreamcast's are for playing games, not
>> computers. Why even bother, if it is?
I think that statements of the form "X is for Y" or "X is not
for Y" (under the condition that X actually *can* relate to Y)
are just expressions of personal preference, but formulated
to appear to have more justification than that. For such
statements to be meaningful, they have to say "X is for Y
because ..." and give reasons.
In the present case, since general-purpose computers *can*
be used to play games, there's no reason why they shouldn't
be, if people want to.
>Your lack of clue is cute[0], but your cute signature lacks clue.
>A five-line Figlet signature! Jesus Christ!
I think it's a very nice .sig, and that Jesus would have
liked it, too! So it's five lines instead of four, big deal.
It would be more crowded in four.
>> --
>> Robert Heininger __
>> # / / __ _ _ _ _ __ __ #
>> # / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / #
>> # /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ #
>> # The Choice of the GNU Generation #
>
>mawa
>--
>Belegesammler!
>Preisvergleicher!
>Bettenmacher!
>Biermischer!
Now your .sig, mawa, appears to be invocations of strange
and terrible gods! If they do appear, and they are hungry,
I hope you will direct them toward Redmond...
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude
Date: 28 Mar 2000 00:42:37 GMT
abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > : HFS and HFS+, since the invention of the dynamically updated desktop file.
: > "Dynamically updated desktop file" has absolutely _NOTHING_ to do with
: > filesystem journaling.
: Agreed.
: > : It is a journaled filesystem in the strictest sense of the term.
: > No, it is not.
: Yes, it is.
Oh, _BRILLIANT_ rebuttal! I guess you're expecting me to reply with "is
not!" Sorry, but I'm too mature for that.
You made the claim. Now, you must prove it, with an explanation.
[Boring attempts to change the subject snipped]
: > HFS is not journaled in _ANY_ sense of the word.
: Yes it is.
Then prove it.
: > Here, go learn
: > something. In some ways, it's even more limited than FAT16 (DOS).
: In some ways, so is XFS.
: > http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n8647
: Been there, done that.
Apparently, you have not. If you have, you'd realize that your claim is
bullshit.
HFS is not fault tolerant in the slightest. HFS is merely a heirarchical
filesystem, which allows constant updates to the system to be readily
displayed in the interface. The only thing it does is add to the
"friendliness" of the interface. Not even MacOS X has a journaled
filesystem yet.
: > Now, make sure that next time you have a clue before you spout off.
: > --
: Tell me, do you actually have a job in the field and if you do, who did you
: suck on to get it?
Hmmm... typical childish invective. How trite. Twit.
If you knew anything you propose to, then you would have already proven
what you said to be true. Of course, since you're obviously clueless,
it's clear that you'll never attempt to prove your claim with anything
more than a reply like "Yes it is."
--
.-----.
|[_] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount
| = :| "Humans have the potential to become irrational... perhaps
| | you should attempt to access that part of your psyche."
|_..._| -- Lieutenant Commander Data
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude
Date: 28 Mar 2000 00:44:37 GMT
Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: says...
: >
: >
: >"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: >news:8bnqg8$n6l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >>
: >> >> "W. Kiernan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: >> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: >> >>> Mark Hamstra wrote:
: >> >>> >
: >> >>> > "W. Kiernan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: >> >>> >
: >> >>> > > Was it really Chad Myers who wrote?:
: >> >>> > > >
: >> >>> > > > ...NTFS, which has journaling.
: >> >>> > >
: >> >>> > > It does? That's news to me.
: >> >>> >
: >> >>> > You shouldn't be so quick to broadcast your ignorance.
: >> >>>
: >> >>> I shouldn't ask questions, you mean. I should learn by telepathy,
: >> >>> osmosis, however you do it, you bigdeal genius you.
: >>
: >> >> Of course! <grin>
: >>
: >> >> NTFS 5 (which is implemented in Windows2000 and read by NT 4.0 SP4 and
: >higher)
: >> >> has a change journal.
: >>
: >> > Neat. Now its just like MacOS 7.5.1.
: >>
: >> Oh, and BeOS DR3.0, IRIX and Purgatory/Inferno.
: >>
: >> Catch up microsoft! Catch up! Tell us you invented it! We'll believe
: >you!
: >>
: >
: >maybe Linux will catchup some day later too and claim Linus wrote it.
: Why does Linux have to catch up? There are already a number of journing fs
: for linux now or in the works that linux users can install if they really
: want to.
AFAIK, the journaling filesystems for Linux are still under development.
Are reiserfs, Xfs, or Jfs in widespread use yet? Is there another one
besides these that works well?
NOTE: I am not baiting... I'm really asking out of curiosity.
--
.-----.
|[_] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount
| = :| "Humans have the potential to become irrational... perhaps
| | you should attempt to access that part of your psyche."
|_..._| -- Lieutenant Commander Data
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: 80286 Question : was : I WAS WRONG
Date: 28 Mar 2000 00:51:51 GMT
>Are there any non-MS OS's (ie. DOS) still available that will run on
>a 80286 machine that I would like to use as just an Internet gateway
>utilizing
>ip forwarding, for a small lan?
Look at Minix, ELKS (Linux/8086) or DR-DOS (a/k/a OpenDOS)
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: What should be the outcome of Microsoft antitrust suit.
Date: 28 Mar 2000 00:54:17 GMT
> I do not believe laws are the solution to that. Would you like a law
>saying that
>let's say TV's could not include a let's say components from the company
It's not quite the same. Saying "I can't throw in this RCA antenna" is
deliberately out to get one company. Saying "I can't include ANY antenna"
places all manufacturers on level ground.
--
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:55:00 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Peter Norton is one smart dude
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> AFAIK, the journaling filesystems for Linux are still under development.
> Are reiserfs, Xfs, or Jfs in widespread use yet? Is there another one
> besides these that works well?
>
> NOTE: I am not baiting... I'm really asking out of curiosity.
Suse now ships with reiserfs.
Gary
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Let's blow this Linux Scam Wide Open!!
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:52:28 GMT
In article <8bj1lb$i4m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Francis Van Aeken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8bh2hh$1ra$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Red Hat spent almost 5 years operating on a shoestring, turning
> > out modest profits, until last year, it held it's annual LinuxExpo
>
> RHAT, February 1995, annual net income: -128000 US$
> RHAT, February 1999, annual net income: -91000 US$
>From the Latest Edgar Filings (424B3):
YEAR ENDED FEBRUARY 28,
====================================================
1995 1996(1) 1997 1998 1999
-------- -------- -------- -------- --------
(IN THOUSANDS, EXCEPT PER SHARE DATA)
<S> ] <C> <C> <C> <C> <C>
STATEMENT OF OPERATIONS
DATA:
Revenue.... $ 482 $ 930 $2,603 $5,156 $10,790
Net income (loss)(128) (155) 33 8 (91)
Net income (loss) available
to common stockholders...
(128) (155) 33 8 (130)
Earnings (loss) per common
share:
Basic...... $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Diluted.. . 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Weighted average common
shares outstanding:
Basic....... 24,000 45,252 47,000 47,000 47,100
Diluted..... 24,000 45,252 54,465 69,157 47,100
Pro forma earnings (loss)
per common share (2):
Basic....... $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $0.00
Diluted..... 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Pro forma weighted average
common shares
outstanding (2):
Basic........ 24,000 45,252 47,000 61,684 87,860
Diluted...... 24,000 45,252 54,465 69,156 87,860
> I don't have the balance sheets for 96/97/98. I didn't know
> they were turning out profits during that period. Do you have
> a link for us? Thanks.
This is the link. You may have to paste it together.
http://www.FreeEDGAR.com/oem/netscape/ViewFilingsData.asp?CIK=1087423&D
irectory=912057&Year=00&SECIndex=4072&Extension=.tst&PathFlag=0&nStartL
oc=646&nEndLoc=629519&TextFileSize=629535&FormType=424B3&DateFiled=2/7/
2000&SFType=&SDFiled=&tabletype=1&tablename=Body&SourcePage=&OEMSource=
nscape&UseFrame=0&CompanyName=RED+HAT+INC
> Francis.
>
>
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