Linux-Advocacy Digest #842, Volume #34 Tue, 29 May 01 17:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Opera (drsquare)
Re: Opera (drsquare)
Re: Opera (drsquare)
Re: Opera (drsquare)
Re: The nature of competition (drsquare)
Re: linux capability (drsquare)
Re: RIP the Linux desktop (drsquare)
Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks: (drsquare)
Re: ease and convenience (drsquare)
Re: ease and convenience (drsquare)
Re: Time to bitc__ again (drsquare)
Re: ease and convenience (drsquare)
Re: Opera ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Time to bitc__ again (Fred K Ollinger)
Re: A new concept for our friends in misc.fitness.weights: (BrendaLee)
Re: Why should an OS cost money? ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (The
Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? (Mig)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Dave Martel)
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:22 +0100
On Mon, 28 May 2001 13:32:07 +0800, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9eqic8$5n7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>It just doesn't seem like there is a quality browser for Linux at all.
You can get Opera, which is better than IE and Netscape put together.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:23 +0100
On Sun, 27 May 2001 13:43:56 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)) wrote:
>On Sun, 27 May 2001 02:34:57 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What adverts? My version doesn't have any adverts? Is that just the
>> linux version?
>The free version has ads in the upper-right corner of the toolbar.
>They go away if you pay $39 to register it. The Linux and Windows
>versions behave the same in this respect.
>
>Upgrades are free, so if you registered a previous version and upgrade,
>it will still be registered and you won't see the ads.
Do the cracks work on the Linux version?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:24 +0100
On Tue, 29 May 2001 07:31:16 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9esgcv$749$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Is there a phobia held amongst Wintrols that they are more than happy to
>pay $1300 for a bloated office suite from Microsoft,
>> however, they are not willing to shell out a few dollars to buy a piece of
>software and help support a small software company, in
>> this case, Opera. Sounds like double standards to me.
>When you can get a better browser for free, why pay?
Name a better browser than Opera.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:24 +0100
On Mon, 28 May 2001 18:38:42 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>On Mon, 28 May 2001 17:32:41 +0200, Rabbe Fogelholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>Netscape 4.75 works pretty good but it locks up occasionally when it
>can't find a site and hitting stop doesn't work. I have to wait till
>it times out and then it's ok again.
>
>I think browsers are beginning to become mini operating systems and
>that is not good. While I like to see some of the eyecandy on pages,
>it is really becoming idiotic.
>Am I the only person in the world without Cable/DSL ?
Nope. But I bet you don't pay for your connection by the minute.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nature of competition
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:25 +0100
On Mon, 28 May 2001 14:15:38 +0800, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>> Kde and Gnome are notorious for their slowness as WM's, this is quite
>> understandable as they are both still in development.
>Ok, fair enough. But Kde and Gnome are what 99% of Linux users are using...
>and what they are comparing to W2k.
99%? I somehow think not.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux capability
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:25 +0100
On Sun, 27 May 2001 04:51:46 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Pennywise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>Man, why don't you try selling opera somewhere else? This software sucks
>and you still have to pay for it. What a rip.
Well, as it's better than IE, Netscape and lynx, there must be some
other amazing browsers out there that I haven't tried yet. And you
don't have to pay for it.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RIP the Linux desktop
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:26 +0100
On Mon, 28 May 2001 01:05:48 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>Richard Fisher wrote:
>> 1. Those thought? You seem to have your plurality mixed up.
>>
>> 2. Overtaxed? Yes, we pay a lot of tax compared to americans, but then
>> again, we have free health care and a much lower crime rate.
>Scotland Yard has been fudging the data for years, by Only reporting
>CONVICTIONS, not crimes reported.
If they're not convicted, then you cannot count it as a crime. Do you
not have "innocent until proven guilty" in your country?
>Your crime rate is roughly 5x higher than previously reported,
>and, in fact, you are MUCH more likely to be the victim of a
>burglary, mugging, assault, or murder than the same crime in
>the United States
I somehow think not.
>> If you disagree with someone's opinion, by all means say so, but there's no
>> need to resort to racism. As soon as you do that, you've lost the argument.
I fear it is merely a troll.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks:
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:27 +0100
On Sun, 27 May 2001 02:35:33 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>drsquare wrote:
>> >correct. just like local calls in the United States.
>>
>> How the fuck can they afford that?
>When I was a child, it cost 10 cents to make a local telephone
>call from a business telephone. For the first MINUTE
>
>Same as the price of a loaf of bread.
>
>Now, for that same real price (a loaf of bread), I can talk
>to anyone ANYWHERE in the USA, Canada, or the United Kingdom
>for at least 15 minutes (or longer!).
Why the fuck have you replied twice to the same post?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ease and convenience
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:28 +0100
On Sun, 27 May 2001 12:25:40 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("~¿~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>Use outlook express, thereby negating the need for 1 to 11
>Cola resident Linux expert Advocates such as Matthew Gardiner use it and
>countless others as well, so it must be pretty good.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ease and convenience
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:29 +0100
On Mon, 28 May 2001 13:53:46 +0800, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >Easy. Most Windows versions already have IE with a news reader and it is
>> >great.
>> And it's shit. Change the above to downloading and installing agent
>> and you'll have a point.
>Not sure why people prefer agent so much... I used to use it, but sometimes
>it would garble the fonts and I'd have to refresh the screen... I am
>assuming you are using FreeAgent ?
None of that happens to me and I'm using full Agent.
>The one built into IE is great -> no problems + it's free.
It's atrocious and awkward to use. Every time I clicked somewhere I
had to sit through 5 minutes of the computer grinding away before I
could do anything. Not under Agent though.
>> What do you mean by "average" users? Users who don't take time to
>> learn about their computer?
>No. Users that want to *use* their computer to get work done without having
>to know how the whole thing works.
They don't.
>That is your average user, your average consumer. If you don't like this,
>you don't have to.
>
>But if the Linux community ever wants Linux to take hold 'on the desktop',
>they better damned well learn this soon.
>
>My feeling is that the Linux community will just ignore this and whine and
>whine about how MS is the big bad 'ol competitor. (that makes the software
>so the average user can at least use their computer to get stuff done)
The irony is they can't. With all the crashes and bad UIs, it's next
to impossible to get anything done apart from a game of Freecell.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:30 +0100
On Sun, 27 May 2001 02:44:51 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>drsquare wrote:
>> >Linux is the epitomy of grace compared the the fucked-up shit
>> >produced by Mafia$oft
>> Why do you keep using queer terms like "Mafia$oft" and "LoseDOS"?
>Why does Microsoft keep calling everything "WinBlah" when
>choosing Win[anything] makes you a fucking LOSER?
Why do you seem unable to construct an intelligent argument for
anything?
>> How do you ever expect to be taken seriously?
>Anybody with a brain already does.
In that case, I suspect most people in this newsgroup don't have
brains, including me.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ease and convenience
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:30 +0100
On Mon, 28 May 2001 21:37:10 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Marcello Barboni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>Todd wrote:
>> 2) Download your browser of choice IE 5.5 or 6.
>What kind of choice is that? You get to choose between IE and IE?
As far as windows goes, that's quite a lot of choice.
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:48:26 +1200
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 29 May 2001 07:31:16 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:9esgcv$749$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Is there a phobia held amongst Wintrols that they are more than happy
to
> >pay $1300 for a bloated office suite from Microsoft,
> >> however, they are not willing to shell out a few dollars to buy a piece
of
> >software and help support a small software company, in
> >> this case, Opera. Sounds like double standards to me.
>
> >When you can get a better browser for free, why pay?
>
> Name a better browser than Opera.
Internet Explorer 5.x
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fred K Ollinger)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Date: 29 May 2001 20:00:09 GMT
: Selecting Logitech wheelmouse even if you had one was one way to never
: use the mouse again. Solution was to select Intellimouse.
This would only occur to someone who didn't know what they were doing. There
are easy config files (human readable) and these can be changed for whatever
mouse you need using well documented means. The above is truth impaired.
: >The latest Gnome and KDE both are funky. Gnome has a serious problem
: >with window focus. KDE likes to freeze and is basically unusable.
: With Gnome I had Time bombs all over the place.
: Kde wouldn't shut down for me and would freeze up all the time. I
: ended up using Enlightenment because although it had bugs, it was
: really cool and different.
Gnome and Kde aren't the only games in town. There are also stable vers of
them as well so you can dl (for free) and install them. The websites document
which vers are stable and how to install them so again, this is a nonissue
for those who take the time.
: >I also havent been able to sucessfully compile a kernel on either of
: >these. Everytime I read the threads I see that there are broken libcs
: >because they are rushing to get 2.4 releases out the door and using
: >unstable libraries.
: Heresy!!!!
: Not able to compile a kernel!!!!
: What good is Linux without being able to compile a kernel :)
: You DID read the kernel How-To :)
Well, there are compilers and methods to get around these. On RH 7.1, you
need to add two chars in the makefile. If you are going to compile a kernel,
you are prepared to get hands dirty so this shouldn't be a trouble.
: >Lets see Ive installed Debian 3 or 4 times in the past week and on
: >every single installation it was like extracting teeth to get X to
: >run. Once I did get X to run and Gnome was running on top of blackbox
: >and twm. Okay. I finally managed to get sawmill or sawfish to run
: >but then Gnome didnt launch.
: I call this the big Window manager switcherooo. Everything is running
: ok and then you select another WM from the menus and like magic the
: entire system get hosed and you can never get your original WM back
: again.
Again, this sounds like a gui-minded problem. One thing to do is to backup
the XF86Config file which is found in /etc/X11. I used RCS to do this.
Again, this is well documented and rcs comes w/ the distros (for free).
: >Basically this is so upsetting because late last year people were
: >talking about Linux on the desktop and at that point things were
: >beginning to work great. Mandrake 7.1 in my opinion was a work of
: >near-perfection and worked almost flawlessly. Why do these distros
: >insist on pushing forward and putting out cutting-edge recent, yet
: >highly buggy releases? Why not just keep improving and existing one
: >if it works? Wouldnt they make more money off working products than
: >cutting-edge broken ones?
These distros are reviewed and the problems and fixes are well documented.
: They are trying to catch up to where Windows was 2 years ago.
New releases of everything can result in troubles when new features are added.
Linux is not the only os to release buggy vers in order to test. I know of two
other oses which do this. The good thing w/ linux is that the stable vers are
well documented, something I can't say is true w/ other oses.
Overall, linux developers are more honest w/ regards to stability and how to fix
things than oses I used.
: >I am surprised that none of these distros seem to be doing enough even
: >basic level QA to realize that things are broken. Whats up with this?
: >How can anyone advocate Linux on the desktop to a potentially critical
: >public if these sorts of patterns continue?
: Things have been broken in Linux for years but yet we have all kinds
: of new half assed code fragment programs appearing on FreshMeat
: everyday.
And there are stable distros and packages. Debian stable is what it says.
There are stable packages to fix troubles w/ the distros you named, but if you
don't wish to get too dirty, I would stay away from some of the more notoirious
distros and stick to what is stable. Stable means less new features and perhaps
a bit more work to get started, but way less trouble downstream. I like stable
myself.
Fred
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From: BrendaLee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: A new concept for our friends in misc.fitness.weights:
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:58:41 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> Followups restricted to a single group.
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, BrendaLee
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Mon, 28 May 2001 16:56:52 GMT
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> >"Public " wrote:
> >>
> >> brenda lee amidala wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Still Rockin' Aound that Christmas Tree?
> >> >
> >> >Hee, One of her better songs, I think..
> >> >
> >> >BrendaLee
> >> >
> >> >BTW.. trees rock!
> >>
> >> how is brenda lee and a christmas ornament similar?
> >> they're cute on the outside
> >> and empty on the inside
> >
> >I am sorry you see me in that light for I am as rich and
> >illuminated on the inside as I am on the outside..
>
> Twinkle Twinkle Brenda Lee,
> Oh it's nice that you I see,
> Up above the non-debate,
> With the jackie tokeman bait...
Actually it is a troll pretending to be jackie.
>
> OK, so I got inspired for some bizarre reason. :-)
This is 'not' the first time I have been told this. :)
I am flattered.
>
> Now, erm, what precisely was this subthread about again?
Hee!
I don't remember. <selective remembering at its finest>
And thank you for the smile.
BrendaLee
>
> [rest snipped]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random very bad poetry/song here
> EAC code #191 29d:10h:08m actually running Linux.
> Life's getting too complicated, even listening to the radio.
Good luck with linux!
--
BrendaLee
Lady DreamCatcher
====================
http://www.cocreator.com/ehmka/
=====================================
brendalee makes the world better by her presence in it.
~~jackie 'anakin' tokeman~~
when you dance with an angel the angel don't change the angel
changes you
~~jackie 'anakin' tokeman~~
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why should an OS cost money?
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:01:10 +1200
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> If one thinks about the history of man, and the nature of invention, one
must
> ask themselves why an OS costs any money.
>
Wrong question, the real question is why shouldn't an OS cost money?
An OS should cost money, because it is derived from effort, which most
humans expect to be paid for. Total up the amount of time that Linux has
taken to develop, and then try and recover that cost. Linux of course is a
special example, as it is allegedly developed by people on their "free"
time. Of course, this doesn't include people who are paid to develop it
(Linus by Transmeta, Alan Cox by Redhat). I don't see too many Linux
companies actually making money - because they can't recover the costs of
their effort.
It's simple economics as to why an OS costs money.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:11:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chris Ahlstrom
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 27 May 2001 13:27:58 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Donn Miller wrote:
>>
>> drsquare wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sat, 26 May 2001 18:09:33 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> > ("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>> >
>> > >"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > >> Really? What free ssh for Windows gives me a sshd that runs on Windows
>> > >> that handles tunneling and port redirection?
>> >
>> > >OpenSSH + Cygwin, according to OpenSSH.com.
>
>Does Cygwin provide sshd? I'm going to have to check about
>that! I use ssh in the Cygwin shell, and it works nicely, but
>it'd be cool to have a server, too (although my workplace's
>firewall would prevent me from accessing my work machine from
>@Home.
Cygwin apparently does not provide sshd, at least on the install
on my system I did some weeks ago. I haven't obtained OpenSSH, though.
>
>> > Cygwin? Oh come off it.
>>
>> Cygwin is pretty awesome stuff, man. Imagine having the capability of
>> running GNU software on Windows. Also, it's nice if you're primary
>> platform is Linux or FreeBSD, for example, because you deal exclusively
>> with gcc, and you can have gcc on Windows.
>
>I quite agree. It's nice to be able to write and test the same code
>on two environments.
Cygwin strikes me as a bit bodgy at times, but that's probably
not unexpected when trying to do something intelligent with
pathnames such as "C:\Program Files\..." no fork(), and
no concept of a master-slave pseudotty. :-)
My main complaint is with the console window; it's not stretchable
in the horizontal direction. I might be able to work around that
by increasing the buffer size, though -- dunno what that'll do
to Cygwin's vi emulation. (A short test suggests that the Cygwin
console doesn't send SIGWINCH signals.)
Cygwin/XFree86 strikes me as very interesting, if a bit limited;
it's basically Yet Another X server For Windows, but it's free.
(And a reasonably good replacement for Mi/X, which went shareware
some time ago.) Its main drawback: it has no capability (AFAIK) to
intermix X windows with non-X windows already on Windows' desktop,
and has some minor bugs with respect to firing up additional Xterms
for some reason -- the displayed text almost looks like a program
that's missing ANSI.SYS, except that this is on a Win2k system.
>
>Chris
>
>--
>Please enter your Message Activation
>Code now to read this message
Heh. Can't be too careful with those darned revenue-stealing
Linux-loving .NETbodge-hating software pirates.... :-)
(Who? Us? :-) )
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 29d:20h:04m actually running Linux.
Hi. What's your sign? Mine's "Out To Lunch".
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:13:48 +0200
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "wade blazingame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:vGHQ6.17265$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Threading is almost never
>> supported as well in mail clients as it is in news readers.
>
> That shouldn't be a problem to implement via the message-id, References &
> In-Replay-To fields.
> I know that OE support it.
>
>
> From RFC 2822
>
> 3.6.4. Identification fields
>
> Though optional, every message SHOULD have a "Message-ID:" field.
> Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have "In-Reply-To:" and
> "References:" fields as appropriate, as described below.
Obviously youve never used a localised version of OE. Or does OE only mess
up european languages?
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:28:25 -0500
"wrinkled shirt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:<3b13b4c3$0$94307$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >
> > Don't forget security, of which the MacOS has none.
>
> I don't know about that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but last
> time I checked they didn't support VBScript files. That's better
> security than some right there.
VBScripts end up being executables which only run with as much
or less privilege than the user.
How is this different from perl scripts on Unix?
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:29:05 -0500
"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > Don't forget security, of which the MacOS has none.
>
> Mac OS-X is based on BSD-unix (Darwin)...
[snip irrelevant]
we're talking about currently shipping MacOSes, not lala-ware.
-c
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:04:07 GMT
In article <9eukgd$hem$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > You want me to repeat myself? I've already explained those. As I said
> > before, Linux/Mandrake/The Gimp is seen by some as _one_ package, not as
> > a series of discrete ones.
>
> I'm not referring to that. I'm talking about snipping which happened in
> that thread.
How about posting it? I'm not clear what you're referring to.
> > In any case, where did I snip inappropriately there? Care to post an
> > example for me to examine?
>
> I did then and you ignored them. Why should I think you won't this time?
Try me.
--
Pete
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:28:33 -0600
On Fri, 11 May 2001 19:59:30 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> >That is unfortunate for me. I have never seen the term "API" until long
>> >after I retired. I thought when I saw it that it meant the GUI form of
>> >a routine call.
>> >I guess I'm just out of date is all.
>>
>> I think the current term for people like us is, "obsolete old
>> dinosaurs". <g>
>
>Well, if it weren't for us 'dinosaurs' these kids wouldn't have their
>PCs. :-)
Seen on a bumper sticker today:
Age and treachery will defeat youth and skill every time!
:-P
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