Linux-Advocacy Digest #842, Volume #30 Wed, 13 Dec 00 07:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Debian lovin' (Nick Ruisi)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:55:52 -0500
Russ Lyttle wrote:
>
> kiwiunixman wrote:
> >
> > Its the environmental run off (nuclear waste) that is the major cause of
> > concern. Since NZ went Nuclear free around 14 years ago (which
> > pissed-off the US navy) we have had no problems producing electricity
> > from Hydro, Steam, natural gas and wind.
> >
> > kiwiunixman
> >
> > <snype>
> The amount of nuclear waste produced is minute. Wait a few years until
> the hydroelect dams all silt up. We have THAT problem here in the US
> with the TVA dams. They are going out of service because all the silt
> has turned the lake into a swamp that even the ducks avoid. In the NW,
Typical government-run project. A commercial entity would have dredged
the lakes on a continual basiis.
> the dams are killing off the Salmon fish. Your grandkids will curse you
> for destroying the beautiful country you inhabit : Turn the rivers into
> muck with overgrazing sheep and hydroelectric dams.
> --
> Russ Lyttle, PE
> <http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
> Not Powered by ActiveX
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:59:49 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Homer" == Homer Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Homer> There may be, and in fact are, some very
> Homer> practical reasons for not building nuclear facilities in
> Homer> California - earthquakes. A large part of the state is
> Homer> underlain with an extensive and highly active fault
> Homer> system.
>
> But Japan is at no lower risks than California w.r.t. earthquakes. And
> Tokyo alone has a population of 12 million plus more than 10 million
> commuters from neighbouring counties outside the metropolis. Most of
> these people commute and move around in *electrified* trains rather
> than driving (whereas driving in one's own car is so much more common
> (and abused, indeed) in California). How do you guess they cope with
> the high demand on electricity? (FYI, Japan also uses the 110V
> standard on the wall sockets.)
For trains, electric power is quite efficient, because you are
delivering the power directly, not incurring the losses of charging
a battery, and then discharging it.
With automobiles, gasoline is FAR more efficient. The need for
batteries also makes an otherwise equivalent vehicle (same
acceleration, seating capacity, storage space, etc) heavier,
larger, and less aerodynamically efficient, and therefore consumes
much more energy per kilometer travelled at any given speed.
>
> --
> Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´°(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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> | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.csis.hku.hk/~sdlee |
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--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: no.alt.arkiv,tw.bbs.comp.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:58:29 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello to all!
>
> The result is out. Linux is INFERIOR to Windows. :-)
> Ah, I know you Linux people are bursting with rage right now. Sarcasms
> and insults are evitable for me, I know.
>
> Please read this test by Mindcraft that compares Linux and Windows NT.
> After reading this, you will agree with me.
>
> http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/openbench1.html
>
> Ha! Ha!
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Sure.
Microsoft makes the best software in the world.
Linux can not be used at all.
And earth is flat
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From: Nick Ruisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian lovin'
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:54:42 -0500
Check out VMWare
www.vmware.com
Matt Balmer wrote:
>
> I'm almost embarrassed to admit...
>
> The only reason I still use Windows is because my music classes here use
> Finale (basically desktop publishing for music) - Coda doesn't make a Linux
> version and WINE doesn't run it. I use Debian primarily for mudding and
> learning how to code, but I've been trying StarOffice recently and am
> finding it a good substitute for MS Word.
>
> When I first installed Linux on my box, I wasn't thrilled at all with how
> it performed. I had bought a copy of RH 5.2 based on a few articles I'd
> read on Linux's stability, and the plethora of free stuff available for it.
> The install, while relatively painless, turned into an absolute mess. I had
> an old Diamond Stealth II S220 vidcard at the time and there weren't any
> drivers for it, and I literally spent days sifting through RedHat's ftp
> site trying to find an updated XFree86 driver for it. No luck. Needless to
> say, within about a week I promptly removed all traces of the OS from my
> box and stuck with Windows until I could either find someone to help me
> install it or until I bought a supported video card. At the time, nobody I
> knew had any idea of how Linux operated and Wright State's news-server
> didn't carry the Linux groups, so I was kind of up a creek without a
> paddle. I had no idea of what a man page even was (and the book that came
> with the distro didn't mention them) and was really clueless as to what to
> do.
>
> Fast-forward two years. I'm now a student at the University of Oklahoma,
> with a much better box. I get interested in trying Linux again because a
> friend of mine uses it almost exclusively and I really like the way his box
> runs. I buy myself a new 20 GB HDD and install the sucker, and promptly
> install the Potato build of Debian, with my friend's help, just to ensure
> everything works correctly. Video card problems are non-existent, as I have
> a Voodoo3 now, and reference drivers had been around for some time. There
> were only three snags: One was getting my monitor set up to handle X in
> 1280x1024, but this proved easy because all we had to do was boot back to
> Windows and see what the monitor's sync was. After setting it all up, it
> all ran fine.
>
> The second was trying to set the machine up to dual-boot. I ended up
> installing the Linux drive as the master on the primary IDE channel. What I
> didn't know is that Windows is kind of like a spoiled brat when it comes to
> boot partitions. It always has to be first in everything. The fix? After
> logging on to a Linux/FreeBSD chat room and tossing the scenario around I
> got a simple lilo.conf fix that really does treat Windows like an 5-year
> old brat -- If you let a spoiled child *think* it's getting it's way it
> might behave...so my fix fooled Windows into *thinking* it's the primary
> drive when in reality, it's not. (of course, it fooled the BIOS too, so...)
>
> The third was setting up my SB, but that's because it's an ISA PnP
> SoundBlaster AWE 64. Of course, now I know what a man page is and I know
> where to find HOWTOs so that's half the battle. The other half is finding
> out what the blasted card wants to hear and then telling Linux that. This
> isn't a Linux problem, it's a simple fact of life with SB cards, as I hear
> it. Aside from that, Debian works wonders. No problems, no crashes, no
> nothing. And, time and a little RTFM'ing will fix the SB snag.
>
> Now if I could just find Finale for Linux...
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Machine Error: When the machine doesn't follow instructions.
> Operator Error: When the operator enters in the wrong instructions.
> Machine Defect: When the machine screws up correct instructions.
> Operator Defect: When the operator didn't RTFM.
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Matt Balmer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -------------------------------
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:04:00 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (le 'tard) wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >Russ Lyttle wrote:
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >> >
> >> > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >> Actually, the REAL problem is that the ECO-NUTS in California shut
> >> > >> down practically every fission power project that came down the pike
> >> > >> in the 1970's.
> >> >
> >> > Blame the correct cause. Every project under design or planning being canceled
> >> > by the utilities after Three-Mile Island.
> >> >
> >> Not by the utilities, but by State and Federal regulators. The utilities
> >> would like to build more plants : they make more money. In the absence
> >> of more plants, they will just raise prices. That is a dead end for
> >> them, as older plants break down and become obsolete.
>
> >A couple years ago...at Ford Motor Company's River Rouge Complex, one of
> >those 1920's era plants had a "break down".
>
> >30 blue-collar workers killed.
>
> >That's liberalism for you.
>
> >They demonstrate their love for the common man by insisting that he work on
> >dangerous, obsolete equipment.
>
> This is a jackass statement. It is not the liberals who kept an old plant in
> service. It was Ford management. If you went off and studied the cause of
> that explosion, you would know this.
Ford kept the plant online because it was cheaper to run it because
we are facing a shortage of electric capacity because liberals have
blocked nearly every single electric power plant construction project
for the last 3 decades.
If we had more nuclear power plants, then Ford would have shut down the
facility years ago...because it would have been cheaper to purchase
bulk capacity on the market.
>
> BTW, any plant of any age, can have an explosion if its not properly
> maintained and safety rules are not followed.
So, you are saying that 1920's power plants are no more dangerous
than a new facility...What kind of idiot are you, precisely?
>
> >>
> >> > >> If those plants had been built, a lot of oil-fired and coal-fired
> >> > >> plants would have been taken off-line a long time ago AND Cali.
> >> > >> would STILL have surplus capacity.
> >> >
> >> > >Not to mention the growth here. I mean, jesus, we don't have enough power
> >> > >for the people here, yet I've not heard a single official (or SDG&E reps)
> >> > >suggest that perhaps we should slow down the massive home building constantly
> >> > >going on here. What's going to happen in a year, or two when our population
> >> > >grows by that much more?
> >> >
> >> > >I shudder to think.
> >> >
> >> > >--
> >> > >Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -----------------------------------------------------------
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:05:06 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Russ Lyttle writes:
>
> > All this from an simple intuitive power cord.
>
> Incorrect; Aaron's claim that nothing about a computer is intuitive
> preceded that.
Which has been amply demonstrated in this thread.
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:08:46 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote
> > on Sat, 09 Dec 2000 14:00:19 -0500
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >Russ Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > >>
> > >> All this "unintuitive" behavior of power switches is causing a major
> > >> problem in California. The issue of all these devices still drawing
> > >> power is keeping a load on the system that it wasn't designed to handle.
> > >> That coupled with lack of new power generation in California is putting
> > >> a strain on the system now, promising a major breakdown in the near
> > >> future. Relying to much on intuition and not enough on reason is going
> > >> to get a lot of people killed.
> > >
> > >Actually, the REAL problem is that the ECO-NUTS in California shut
> > >down practically every fission power project that came down the pike
> > >in the 1970's.
> > >
> > >If those plants had been built, a lot of oil-fired and coal-fired
> > >plants would have been taken off-line a long time ago AND Cali.
> > >would STILL have surplus capacity.
> >
> > Indeed; there is radioactivity in coal. I forget how much coal
> > would have to be burned to equal the radioactivity in a pound of solid
> > nuclear waste, but one important issue is that the radioactivity
> > in coal, if not scrubbed out, can be spewed into the air along with
> > the usual sulphur dioxide (SO2 + H2O = H2SO4, sulphuric acid, not exactly
> > something I'd want to breathe, thank you), carbon dioxide (harmless
> > except for "global warming", which is a problem), and heat. (I'm not
> > sure where the radioactivity comes from; if it's C-14, there's not much
> > we can do about it.)
>
> There are strong EPA restrictions on the amount of Sulphur that can
> be released when turning coal into coke ash (which is used in steal
> making), or refining coal for burning in power plants.
>
> This level is almost zero.
>
> I worked for a company that contracted with a coke ash plant on
> the Monongahela in Pittsburgh for U.S. Steel. They had improvised
> and built a chemical containment operation that caputured all the
> noxious chemicals and refined them into various chemicals (sulphur,
> sulphuric acid, etc) for sale to chemistry labs, high schools,
> and other chemistry buyers around the world. They actually made
> themselves profitable on what would normally be a huge drain to
> their revenue to capture and dispose of the exhaust from making
> coke ash.
>
> Unfortunately, there's a type of low-sulphur coal which makes
> these exhaust capturing devices almost unecessary. However, this
> coal only exists in three places in the world (mainly two), Utah, U.S.,
> Southern China, and South Africa. The Lippo Group in China (corporate
> arm of the Red Chinese Gov.) controls all the Chinese mining operations
> and charges exhorbitant rates for it. The Lippo Group also donated
> heavy sums to the 1992 and 1996 Clinton election campaigns (well, DNC
> actually, but it was all funneled to him) and, not suprisingly,
> Clinton declared a federal park out in the middle of the desert in
> Utah. It just so happened to be right over one of the richest deposits
> of this special coal. The coal veins in S.A. are too small and disperate
> to waste the money mining.
>
> > Of course, if it is scrubbed out, someone's gotta change the filters
> > occasionally. But one advantage of nuclear waste, AFAIK, is that
> > it's solid. A highly radioactive and dangerous solid, to be sure
> > (for many many millennia) but solid nevertheless; solids are a
> > little easier to manage, especially if encased in glass and buried
> > somewhere in salt with a "DO NOT TOUCH UNDER PENALTY OF RADIOACTIVE DEATH"
> > sign on the door -- one hopes our progeny can read English.
> >
> > One also wonders about the helium in toy baloons; helium is an
> > alpha particle with a couple of electrons. Now where did that
> > helium come from? (It's not dangerous, of course -- but there's
> > also radon gas. Presumably, the two are initially intermixed,
> > although radon is a lot heavier.) [*]
>
> Pure helim isn't radioactive in the sense that it emits gamma rays,
> but it will certainly remove all the oxygen from your lungs and
> suffocate you =)
>
> Radon, however, is radioactive, but you knew that.
>
> > One big problem the nuclear program has is credibility -- and I'm not
> > sure if that's because of Three Mile Island (Chernobyl didn't help
> > either!), or what; the public is also apparently terrified of irradiated
> > food, despite the increased safety thereof from a bacteriological point
> > of view (quick, which is more dangerous, irradiated beef or beef
> > contaminated by E. coli or salmonella?). This is arguably stupid, but
> > it's going to take awhile to wash the metaphorical stain out. Certainly
> > there are dangers -- but there are dangers to driving a car, too.
> > We still do it.
>
> As much as great nuclear facilities are, the nuclear waste problem in
> the U.S. alone is staggering. Coal power plants are becoming cleaner
> every year and producing more power. We should build a few more around
> the country to hold us off until the Tokomak comes online in 5-10
> years and provides the entire world with enough electricity for decades.
>
> Trust me, I'm no environmentalist or tree hugger, but I'm practical.
> Plutonium 239 has a half-life of 24,000 years or so. The only practical
> disposal is into outer space or embedded deep in geologically stable
Any salt mine will do. The mere existance of crystalized salt proves
that the location has no problems with ground-water infiltration
> shelf rock far below underground water run off systems in a remote
> part of the desert. Even as practical as these sounds, there are only
> a few places in the world this can be accomplished, and with the shear
> amount of nuclear waste in this world, ejecting into space is rather
> costly. Nuclear fission is inferior, costly, and dirty. Fusion power
> is probably 5-10 years away from being usable, I think we can make
> due until then.
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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