Linux-Advocacy Digest #910, Volume #26 Mon, 5 Jun 00 16:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Games on Linux -- starting to look OK (JEDIDIAH)
Re: More Dirty Microsoft Tactics (DeAnn Iwan)
Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ? ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Linux & MySQL vs. Windows & SQL Server (Nemenman)
Re: More Dirty Microsoft Tactics (Timothy J. Lee)
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day (Paul Strong)
Re: URGENT! Linux vs MS-Exchange as email server (Timothy J. Lee)
Re: What distribution is most popular? (Chad Lemmen)
Re: More Dirty Microsoft Tactics ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Trevor Smith)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! ("KLH")
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Trevor Smith)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Monkeyboy)
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! ("KLH")
Re: The sad Linux story (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Gregory L. Hansen)
Re: There is only one innovation that matters... (was Re: Micros~1 innovations)
("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages) (Pete Goodwin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ?
Date: 5 Jun 2000 19:11:22 GMT
On 5 Jun 2000 13:50:28 -0500, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>I'm not sure how time-to-install has much to do with usability, but
I'm not sure what the stuff I raised has to do with "time to install" --
it really has more to do with configuring software. For example, if I
want to add fonts to Applixware, I have to configure that application.
Sure, it's true that Linux is easy enough to use on the desktop if you
have an expert user to look after the system and install/configure
applications.
But the typical home user does not have this luxury.
>for a different data point I've spent most of two days now trying
>to get a new win98 box to work after adding a netwrk card. For
I don't see how Win98 is relevent to this discussion. We were talking
about NT, which is not the same thing.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Games on Linux -- starting to look OK
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:10:53 GMT
On 5 Jun 2000 19:07:33 GMT, Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 5 Jun 2000 11:55:19 -0500, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>
>>Assuming a redhat/mandrake system with the internet connection
>>already configured, '/sbin/ifup ppp0' will bring up the link
>>from the command line.
>
>I configured through Kppp, so that didn't work right away. In the end,
>it was easiest to use minicom and write a one liner that starts pppd with
>the right arguments.
>
>>A lot of complications can be avoided by understanding what is
>>underneath the GUI tools. Sometimes you will also find it faster
>>to avoid them.
>
>Yeah, but memorising the pppd command line arguments is a waste of
>mental energy. I still find it faster to just look them up when I
>need them.
You demonstrate yourself to be the sort of end user that
uncessesarily complicates things with a statement such as
this.
--
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/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: DeAnn Iwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Dirty Microsoft Tactics
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 15:12:16 -0400
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billy ball wrote:
>
>....
>
> QUOTE:
>
> "The lack of a CD-ROM will clearly serve as a disincentive to anyone
> wishing to experiment with Linux."
>
> An IT manager at a large manufacturer says that's exactly what Microsoft
> officials told him. "I spoke to some of my contacts there, and found out
> that the medialess format is primarily designed to be a firewall against
> competitors like Linux," he wrote, explaining it will make it harder to
> have a back-out strategy in place if an experimental Linux deployment gets
> into trouble."
>
> END QUOTE
>
....
The policy also acts as a pretty good firewall against Windows
users. I use both OS a lot, and I have had to reinstall windows a lot.
I have NEVER had to reinstall Windows because of a Linux install gone
haywire. I have had to reinstall Windows mostly because games messed it
up (it does not keep applications software apart from OS software), and
occasionally because hackers on the net messed up my machine. In short,
using windows as windows in the manner for which it was intended (games!
and net use and general unidentified corruption of windows-only
machines) have been the principle and only causes of my reinstalls. If
I ever buy another PC with OS (I build my own and also buy antique junk
computers), I will not consider any OEM non-reinstallable OS as
satisfactory. Either they provide me the way to reinstall software, or
the machine is useless to me. (Yes, I know that MS intends me to buy
its OS twice if I want to use it.) I can't imagine there is anyone out
there using Windows that has NOT had to reinstall the OS at least once.
And I haven't even started mentioning hardware upgrades.....
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ?
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:12:04 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >> But a single process can slow the whole machine down.
> >
> >Same in win98, but you can't do anything about it. Try renice.
>
> Renice is a bit late AFTER the event!
Why wait until the event is over?
> >> Why would I want to run more than a dozen processes?
> >Many, many reasons.
>
> Name one.
At the more-or-less random time that I happened to read your message, I
counted and find that I have 41 processes running under my username alone.
> >> >Linux is roughly twice as fast as W2k on the same hardware!
> >>
> >> Rubbish!
> >Rubbish it's *much* better than that. Oh. Try Win2000 on a p133. What?
> >it doesn't run at /all/? But that makes it inf times faster.
>
> ROFL.
Non-answer.
> >> >Any software I write for the GNU will be shared by the WORLD as my
> >> >personal gift!
> >>
> >> And you won't get a penny for it, thanks! You'll die of starvation
> >> from this model.
> >Do you make money from your hobbies?
>
> From my job I make money.
Non-answer.
> >> >And I get to share THEIR GREAT software also!
> >>
> >> Still won't buy you the food you eat will it?
> >If you have to spend hard earned money on over proved software, that
> >money won't buy you food either.
>
> But my job feeds me. Free software won't.
Per above.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: Nemenman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux & MySQL vs. Windows & SQL Server
Date: 05 Jun 2000 19:13:53 GMT
Hi there!
I'm trying to pursuade my employer to use Linux & MySQL as a database for
high performace production environment with multi gigabyte dataset. I'm
thinking about setting up a cluster of Linux servers to do that.
The alternative, of course, is Windows and MS SQL Server.
Anyone knows any pointers on MySQL/Linux usage? Anyone uses MySQL on Linux
on production web sites?
Any help would be appriciated,
-- Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Re: More Dirty Microsoft Tactics
Date: 5 Jun 2000 19:22:48 GMT
Reply-To: see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (billy ball) writes:
|FYI: here's yet another dirty trick from the software monopoly:
|
|p. 117, Infoworld, June 5, 2000:
|
|regarding Microsoft's un-announced policy of no longer including a CD-ROM
|with computers sold with a Microsoft operating system installed...
|
|QUOTE:
|
|"The lack of a CD-ROM will clearly serve as a disincentive to anyone
|wishing to experiment with Linux."
It is also disadvantageous in a number of other ways that have nothing
to do with Linux. For example, suppose one wants to experiment with
other Microsoft OSes, or if the disk has a hard crash and needs to be
replaced.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Strong)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:35:29 GMT
In article <8hgpft$ub8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
>In article <L7G_4.38929$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Scott Norwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>If an NT server requires weekly reboots, then there's something
>>seriously wrong with the way in which it was configured.
>
>Or - in the applications it is running, but an OS is supposed
>to deal with application problems and resource usage.
>
>>I'm not usually one to defend NT, but it really isn't that unstable a
>>platform for certain applications, as long as you seriously overspecify
>>the hardware and don't try to make any given server do more than one or
>>two specific tasks.
>
>Agreeed - but that is indeed faint praise.
>
>>That's not to say that I think that using NT as a
>>server platform is a good idea, but rather that it isn't quite as
>>horrible an idea as a lot of people seem to think.
>
>Unless you compare it to just about any of the other choices.
Not necessarily. Atheists need an 11 step program.
Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: URGENT! Linux vs MS-Exchange as email server
Date: 5 Jun 2000 19:27:54 GMT
Reply-To: see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome
RHL User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|I have recently learned that my company has been looking at MS-Exchange
|as our company email server. Since I am familiar with Linux I have been
|asking questions about this, namely why pay for MS-Exchange when Linux
|is free. The answer to that is that our IT contractor only knows
|MS-Exchange or Groupwise.
Check other IT contractors? There is more to email than Exchange
or Groupwise (even if it is based on NT).
Don't know about Groupwise, but Exchange is not only expensive, but
hard to configure, understand, and maintain (it does contain some
non-email features that may be useful in an all-Microsoft environment,
but if you're not using those features, they are of no relevance to
you except in making the system more complicated). It is also
vulnerable to anonymous relaying through bounce messages, since it
deletes the Received: lines from the original message when bouncing
it. So if Exchange is used, another mail server must be placed between
it and the internet to prevent untrusted sources from sending email
to nonexistent users on the Exchange server.
What features of email server do you need?
--
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From: Chad Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: What distribution is most popular?
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:21:12 GMT
In article <393bc879$0$7863@reader3>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 15:23:47 GMT, Rod Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > > I was just curious on which Linux distribution is the most popular
that is
> > > run by most users.
> >
> Who cares? Linux is linux, it is your choice, it is what you like.
Don't care
> what
> others are using, but take a look at all sorts of distributions. Don't
focus at
> one, be open-minded, use what you like.
>
Well put. They are all good its just a matter of personal preference
really. We need to keep Linux united we don't want what happened to
Unix to happen to Linux. They are all compatible just with a few
different features. I haven't used all the distros, but I'm sure they
are all equally good.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Dirty Microsoft Tactics
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:51:08 -0500
Someone is either making this up, or someone at MS made a comment which
wasn't entirely thought out.
First of all, I doubt many people that buy off the shelf systems experiment
with Linux anyways. I would think the vast majority of the people that do
this build their own systems or at least buy from smaller places that can
build exactly what they want.
Second, that doesn't explain MS's paranoia about BIOS locking CD-Rom's if
the vendor gives one.
Third, it doesn't take much to dump the setup files to a CD-R. Or use
software like Partition Magic to repartition the hard drive.
billy ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> FYI: here's yet another dirty trick from the software monopoly:
>
> p. 117, Infoworld, June 5, 2000:
>
> regarding Microsoft's un-announced policy of no longer including a CD-ROM
> with computers sold with a Microsoft operating system installed...
>
> QUOTE:
>
> "The lack of a CD-ROM will clearly serve as a disincentive to anyone
> wishing to experiment with Linux."
>
> An IT manager at a large manufacturer says that's exactly what Microsoft
> officials told him. "I spoke to some of my contacts there, and found out
> that the medialess format is primarily designed to be a firewall against
> competitors like Linux," he wrote, explaining it will make it harder to
> have a back-out strategy in place if an experimental Linux deployment gets
> into trouble."
>
> END QUOTE
>
> more evil from an evil company... now if only we can get computer
> manufacturers to sell computers *without* Microsoft software, things will
> be much better!
>
> and to those contemplating a purchase of a new PC - get ready to shell out
> more money for an extra copy of Microsoft's operating system!
>
> hee! hee! Microsoft is going to make its faithful customers pay twice!
>
> this is great!
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trevor Smith)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:48:27 GMT
On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:43:07, John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And I thought South Park was a cartoon. Do people in the US really
> think *that* badly of Canada?
Ironically, even if Americans did think that badly of Canadians, Canadians probably
think much more lowly of Americans.
This is a bit odd really. I've rarely ever met an American in person that I dislike.
I've certainly seen a few here on vacation and many thousands more "in the wild" on my
visits down south.
Yet Canadians seem to have this unshakeable belief that Americans are arrogant and
ignorant. Or maybe I shouldn't limit that to Canadians. Maybe everyone outside of
America has that opinion.
Again, I'm not saying Americans really are significantly more arrogant or ignorant
than those of us up here in the "51st state", and I certainly don't have statistical
proof of it. But it's just so hard to dismiss the idea...
--
Trevor Smith | trevor@haligonian . com
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:01:14 -0500
<jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If the MAC OS was superior to those available for the Intel platform, it
> > would be dominant. It was rejected by the marketplace.
> >
> That's rather a dangerous statement to make.
> By the same token Win9x would be superior to OS/2 - and that's just
> plain silly.
Define "superior". Is it technically superior? Yes.
Is it superior to the vast majority of end users? No.
Superior means "It can do everything I need it to do", where "need it to do"
are things like running MS Office, and all the other software you want to
use.
Most users want to run specific programs, not programs that are "like" some
other program.
As an example, I just set up a friend of mine with a Windows 2000 system.
He was used to using a Mac, and wanted to use the programs he knew
specifically (Illustrator, Quark, Photoshop). It didn't matter to him that
Canvas or Freehand or FrameMaker or PhotoDraw Might do the same things he
needs them to do, he wanted to use only those specific programs.
The moral of the story. It's the apps, not the OS which drive people. They
may prefer one OS over the other, but they'll use any OS if it gives them
the Apps they want.
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From: "KLH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:52:58 -0700
<kl@podldk> wrote in message news:8hf47b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jens says...
> >
> >Dear fellow readers,
> >
> >Linux + LaTeX is IMHO the best choice for master's or Ph.D.
>
> huh?
>
> latex is by definition available on almost any system. used it
> on VMS and windows and unix.
>
> >The fact that Linux stability, emacs capabilities
>
> huh? emacs is available on almost any system. check visual slickedit
> also.
>
> I only agree with on latex. i only use it and nothing else to
> write any report i have to do. but the beatuy of latex is that
> it is on almost every platform.
>
> kl
>
True but any GNU/Linux system has a lot of infrastructure for. Such as
postscript and emacs. Also much of the GNU documentation are created in a
TeX like format called TeXinfo which you can format directly into TeX.
So sure you can you can use other platforms, but GNU/Linux makes it more
conveniant.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trevor Smith)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:56:35 GMT
On Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:45:21, Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> n the Maritimes, seafood is a good value with prices lower in equal
> currency than in New England in the US. But in Ottowa, it was nearly 25%
> higher before the damned 17% VAT. This is true of most consumer products
> in Canada.
Bob, you wrote to someone "You have an insufficient knowledge of our laws, courts, and
economy as evidenced by your assumptions and assertations."
Just to point out:
The capitol of Canada is "Ottawa" not "Ottowa".
We do not have a VAT, we have a GST. There are also provincial sales taxes in some
provinces (though not all) and I believe, in Ottawa, they have the PST (10% or 11% --
it's been a while since I lived in Ottawa) and the GST (7%). Here in the Maritimes we
have a "harmonized" sales tax (which includes our PST and GST) which we call the HST.
Yes, gas, liquor and tobacco are outrageously expensive in Canada compared to the US.
This is because of exorbitant taxes on each of those commodities (hidden in the price
before the PST, GST or HST mentioned above is added). Shrug. The gas is the only one I
think it's worth complaining about since anyone who uses tobacco is of questionable
sanity anyway and is a proven burden on our health care system (so let 'em pay more I
say) and liquor, well, it's hardly a necessity either. When I want it I still manage
to find the money.
BTW, the price of smokes may continue to go up due to even more tax. This is a policy
thing, even more than a money grab thing. The politicians here have a clue and want to
deter smoking. The only proven way to do that quickly is to raise the price. Plus the
added tax helps offset even more the costs of treating cancer, emphesyma, etc.
As for the health care system here being adequate, I do not know of the story you
refer to (the minister of health going to the US for treatment). However, I would say
it is a proven fact that our system is more "adequate" than yours for about 66% of
your citizens. The other one third of your citizens get better, quicker and fancier
care than we do. In a nutshell: our _system_ is better, your _individual_ care is
better (for those who can afford it). The amount one or the other is better varies on
a case by case basis, I would imagine.
Our TV system is a farce because it is regulated by a beauracracy which exists only to
perpetuate its own power. It should be opened to free competition from the US, but
alas, I don't make the rules. Still, we get probably 80% of the programming from the
US (my guess, not an actual statistic), if that's all your concerned about. Our real
suffering here is that we do not always get American commercials (which is a pain in
the ass during the Superbowl). But then, we can't shop at Circuit City, so I guess it
only makes sense.
Just a few titbits (yes, that's the way we Canucks spell that) to help you bone up on
your Canadiology.
Would Microsoft more corporate HQ here? Ridiculous. It would be stupid, even in the
face of a breakup. Maintaining their monopoly will not help them keep the control they
have had in the past. That is history. The break up probably wouldn't hurt combined
stock price so the shareholders shouldn't want them to move. Frankly, it's just too
much effort -- and taxes here are higher, which isn't so great for a company as it is
for the citizens who see the benefits of those taxes.
--
Trevor Smith | trevor@haligonian . com
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From: Monkeyboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:58:18 GMT
In article <8hgs8g$gbv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Brad BARCLAY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I think your version of War of 1812 history is a bit coloured there.
> >
> > First off, there were "Canadian" forces involved. Upper and Lower
> > Canada's official military were part of the British army, however the
> > rank and file, militias, and native peoples who fought in the war were
> > primarily born and raised in the Canadas. The major exception to this
> > were those who fought who were United Empire Loyalists, many of whom
> > were born in the US. Such people were officially recognised as British
> > subjects, however they lived in Canada - making them Canadians. The act
> > of Confederation in 1869 would officially make them Canadian citizens.
>
> So, you're admitting that they were British citizens backed by the throne
> and covered financialy from London, right? They're British, not Canadian.
>
> I grew up in Indiana, but if Indiana citizens were to go and fight a
> war they'd still be Americans, because they fight under the U.S. flag
> and the U.S. pays for their equipment.
>
> > Meanwhile, Canadian forces burned down the original White House, and
> > destroyed the primary port on the US side of Lake Ontario (at a great
> > loss of life - on both sides).
>
> Only in retaliation to the annihilation and burning of York (Toronto) and
> the seizure of the Great Lakes.
>
> > Most historians agree that in the end, the Canadians were the victors.
>
> Victors of what? Again, please quit saying Canadians. The BRITISH were
> fighting to maintain their land in their BRITISH state of Canada.
>
> -Chad
>
>
Don't let technicalities get in your way. It would not surprise me to
have Mr. Barclay proclaim other Canadian "victories" such as Dieppe or
Monte Cassino (in WWII).
M
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From: "KLH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:55:50 -0700
whistler@ twcny.rr.com (Paul E. Larson) <blahblah> wrote in message
news:8TR_4.58$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeepster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >It's an OS that makes you think, not just click,,with windows you become
> >no more than a mouse jockey with no or little thought given to what you
> >are actually doing. And they want that to be the future? Egads, the
> >horror, THE HORROR!
> >
> It obviously hasn't helped you to think. What is it with the moron wing of
> Linux users.
>
I agree with you comletely. For some reason some people have the tendency to
equate GNU/Linux with thinking and Windows with stupidity. That is both a
fallacy and stupidity. It scares the hell out of real GNU/Linux advocates.
> Paul
Kevin Holmes
"extrasolar"
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Subject: Re: The sad Linux story
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:02:13 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> That is quite simply: a bold faced lie.
Really. Still have your hands over your ears I see.
Drag a file from kfm, drag it to Netscape.
What happens?
Nothing.
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory L. Hansen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: 5 Jun 2000 20:03:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>And I thought South Park was a cartoon. Do people in the US really
>think *that* badly of Canada?
I *like* Canada. Longest undefended border in the world, friendly
neighbors to the north, etc. Canadian coins are accepted anywhere I've
tried to buy things with them (actually, I don't recall seeing many
outside of Minnesota...). One of my favorite bands in Canadian. South
Park is funny partly because a war between the U.S. and Canada is just so
unlikely.
--
If I had a nickel for everytime someone said "If I had a nickel for every
time someone said..."...
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy
Subject: Re: There is only one innovation that matters... (was Re: Micros~1
innovations)
Date: 5 Jun 2000 20:07:10 GMT
Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: In article <8hcidi$jrd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ann Bray"
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > I stand corrected but still MS was as much a by product of both Apple and
: > IBM. As for your comments on stupidity, well I assume you are just able
: > to
: > see stupidity as you have been previously identified as stupid. As such
: > you
: > are easily able to identfy your particular form of stupidity in others.
: IOW, you don't have any rational argument.
: >
: > In english if you want to slag off at people tjhjen as far as I'm
: > concerned,
: > you can SOD OFF.
: Nope. None yet.
: >
: > Hmm talking of copying people's ideas, where did Apple get their ideas
: > for
: > Lisa/Mac OS Hmmmmmm. Try Zerox and their Paulo Alto Research center.
: > Anything Apple has brought to the world has as with MS mainly been ripped
: > off from other's.
: Wrong. Apple paid $1 Million for the rights to what they used.
Do you have undeniable proof of this claim?
: Of course, it's all irrelevant. The argument I was responding to said
: that Apple wouldn't exist without Microsoft. You still haven't supported
: that argument.
I also disagree with that contention. Apple's greatest enemy has never
been other corporations. Their greatest foe is themselves. The only
reason why they aren't as successful as Microsoft is for the same reason
why Sun isn't as successful as Microsoft... they each are not appealing to
a wide enough class of user.
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|[_] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | NetBSD: Free of hype and license.
| = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems that
| | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I think.'"
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Subject: Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:07:49 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>mount -t vfat /dev/hdd5 /opt/petesadork
>>
>>Thats all you get. Now read the fucking manual.
Calling me a dork gives you some satisfaction, I see. Still need to insults
to get your point across, how pathetic.
I've yet to find a manual telling me how to do what I want, so how can I
read it?
One hand across the eyes, one hand across the ears, that way you can't hear
the evil: Linux is not perfect.
Pete
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