Linux-Advocacy Digest #910, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 00:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Here's a load of horse crap ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Here's a load of horse crap ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Craig Kelley)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Craig Kelley)
Re: Windows oopsie! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Germany Denies Microsoft Ban (Craig Kelley)
Re: User Friendly?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:06:00 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:48:27
> >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Ed Allen wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article <cCOs6.82336$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >It's alright, laugh it up. I know you're really just jealous
> >> > >because you know that I'm right. You know that the only company
> >> > >who really takes Linux seriously (if that's what it really is)
> >> > >is IBM, and IBM has a poor track history with desktop and
> >> > >small-server OSen.
> >> > I suppose that is true if you have a secret definition for
> >> > "seriously" like Erik likes to do.
> >> >
> >> > How many more millions does Intel need to invest to qualify in
> >> > your private definition ?
> >> >
> >> > Lets not forget that AMD is encouraging Linux developers to use their
> >> > coming 64-bit chips. They don't qualify, why ?
> >> >
> >> > SGI does not qualify either. Why not ? They are planning to add
> >> > their NUMA technology and sell Itanium cluster machines.
> >> >
> >> > Then too, all the universities using Linux to put together their
> >> > own Supercomputers are not companies either.
> >> > http://www.vnunet.com/News/1113447
> >> >
> >> > What do you think the graduating students will recommend for use
> >> > at their new jobs ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, a very excellent point!
> >
> >It's a very common problem.
> >
> >Universities using archaic or esoteric systems to teach their students,
> [...blah, blah, blah...]
>
> Yes, it is a good point. This is why Unix is so bloody popular to begin
> with. The "de-commercialization" of the original Unix OS due to AT&T's
> consent decree prompted them to practically give it away to
> universities. They went nuts with it, of course, since up to that point
> OSes had been intimately tied to the specific computer architecture, and
> all computers used a proprietary architecture.
>
> Having graduated, when faced with extreme challenges in the real world,
> this education led them to implement Unix in businesses, because they
> knew how to do it. The same will occur for Linux, of course, but once
> its done, it will stay done, and there'll be little reason to come up
> with anything "new". Instead, we will simply improve Linux.
>
> Linux; The World's Operating System (tm).
A prof of mine at Purdue said the following:
I don't know what the operating system of the future will look
like...but I *DO* know that it's name will be Unix.
As Linux is a Unix derivative, I would say that he's accurate.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Here's a load of horse crap
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:07:03 -0500
Milton wrote:
>
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:27:15 -0800, "Shades" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >That pic it is bizarre. What is it with him? There is a lot one can see in
> >that pic and it is all negative. I cannot see what it is even suppose to
> >mean from an MS perspective.
>
> It looks like he is praying.
>
> Praying that Whistler won't be the total failure, that WinDog 2000 is.
^^^
You misspelled the syllable "Lose"
>
> --
> «««««««««««««««««««««««»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
> Milton B. Hewitt
> CAUCE Member - http://www.cauce.org
> Proud supporter of the Microsoft Boycott Campaign
> http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
> «««««««««««««««««««««««»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Here's a load of horse crap
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:08:43 -0500
"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
>
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> > http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/default.asp
>
> Oh, the demands of being a big corporation's Visionary In Chief.
>
> Wanna bet he takes a cue from LRHubbard and starts a "religion" before
> he dies?
You mean he hasn't already?
Notice how the tactics of Microsoft and those of a certain
national socialist party in Germany are....similar.
>
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:10:42 -0700
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Rex Ballard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Microsoft openly admits that they have back-doors, which they claim to
> > use for
> > tracking software piracy.
>
> LIAR - prove it.
Isn't that the whole point of SMS?
> >Given how difficult it is to purchase a
> > computer system
> > without Microsoft software, it's quite likely that Microsoft may have
> > other practical
> > uses for it's "back doors".
>
> Difficult? I can and have done it 100s of times. Your statement makes no
> logical sense.
A desktop perhaps; but try buying a laptop (specifically, a Sony Vaio
or something just as thin). Heck It's hard to buy a laptop that
doesn't come with some verion of MS Office on it, let alone Windows.
> > We know that Microsoft puts critical serial numbers in Word documents
> > shipped across
> > the internet.
>
> bullshit
Actually, they did (that's how they tracked some virus to NNTP
postings).
[snip]
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:11:45 -0500
Charles Lyttle wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Charles Lyttle wrote:
> > >
> > > "Norman D. Megill" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > [snip]
> > > > >> I would also bet that, if that is the case, that M$ is required to give
> > > > >> the source to the Department of Defense in electronic form, AND give the
> > > > >> military the right to modify the source code for their own internal use.
> > > > >
> > > > >Yep, we do! When we purchased some VAXes we got source code,
> > > > >schematics, the whole works. Same for microsoft stuff. Of course
> > > > >agreements of non-disclosure and security protecting their proprietary
> > > > >software were in place. After reviewing their source code all I can say
> > > > >is that the mil. now calls it messy-dos!
> > > >
> > > > It is true that selected organizations can get Windows source code. But
> > > > there is no way a few dozen or even a few hundred of the organization's
> > > > programmers could do an adequate audit of the source code. There is
> > > > simply too much source code. And what a waste; since the NDA prevents
> > > > sharing, each organization must duplicate the effort of the others.
> > > > Even Microsoft's entire body of programmers has demonstrated time and
> > > > again that they allow serious security holes to slip through.
> > > >
> > > > There is no substitute for having thousands, possibly millions, of
> > > > programmers around the world scrutinize open source code for security
> > > > holes. Not even Microsoft's coffers can buy that kind of auditing.
> > > >
> > > > --Norm
> > > And how do you verify that the code you got is the code that was used in
> > > the build?
> >
> > Simple you idiot...****YOU***** COMPILE IT.
> >
> > Stupid little shithead...
> >
>
> Some stupid shitheads think you can take 20million lines of code,
> compile them with any two random compilers, using any 2 random
> makefiles, on any 2 random machines and get identical binary files. It
> don't work that way now and never has. Just today I tried that using
> VC++ on NT and got different binaries.
Good god, that's not the point.
If you have the source code, and inspect it for back doors....you compile
it AND USE the executables produced from the source code WHICH YOUR OWN
PEOPLE HAVE VERIFIED.
Only an idiot would trust a CD full of executables handed to them by
a Microsoft rep in conjunction with another CD full of source code.
In fact...I don't trust a damn thing produced by Microsoft.
>
> > > --
> > > Russ Lyttle
> > > "World Domination through Penguin Power"
> > > The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
> > > <http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >
> --
> Russ Lyttle
> "World Domination through Penguin Power"
> The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
> <http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:11:40 -0700
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > What's there to gloat about? This means they won't use Linux either,
> since
> > > they claim they won't use *ANY* software developed in America, and much
> of
> > > Linux is developed in American by Americans.
> > >
> > > Sure, they could examine the source themselves, but it doesn't sound
> like
> > > they're making informed decisions based on actual evidence, so I doubt
> they
> > > would disect Linux to prove to themselves that there aren't back doors.
> >
> > Just curious: Why do you always go into Super Microsoft Defense Mode
> > every time something silly like this happens?
>
> Because people make up utter bullshit and spread it as fact? because
> smart people recognize crap as such and don't like to roll around in
> it with their friends?
If it is such utter bullshit, then why not ingore it?
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Windows oopsie!
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:14:46 -0500
Weevil wrote:
>
> Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:T4Zs6.6238$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Adam Warner wrote:
> >
> > > Pete do the honourable thing, shut the **** up, and submit a bug report.
> >
> > I've submitted a bug report, and as long as people bill Linux distros as
> > "Windows killer", no, I won't shut up.
> >
> > > I'm currently using Pan 0.9.6 CVS. It's getting close to a 1.0 release
> > > and there's still bugs to iron out. Some of the bugs I have submitted
> > > have been fixed in less than a _day_.
> >
> > KDE 2.1 is listed as a _stable_ release. That doesn't mean all bugs are
> > out, but you'd think major ones like crashing or taking out the desktop
> > would not be there!
>
> My Windows box freezes up completely on a regular basis. Ctrl-Alt-Del
> doesn't even work. Only a hard reset brings the system back up.
Apparently, according to the M$-droids...you aren't talented enough to
use their "idiot-proof" system.
Alternatively, M$ is lying.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Of course, if it's idiot-proof, then why do they say that you need
to be an MCSE to set it up...but wait, even the computer-illiterate
newbie can set it up.....no wait...there's a Magic Nosegoblin in
Redmond that reads your mind and configures your machine for you...
or something.
>
> Yours does too, Pete. All Windows machines do this pretty much daily.
>
> > > And you think you've helped the cause of anti-Linux advocacy by posting
> > > about a crash in a ***0.4*** release of an application? Get a clue.
> >
> > If KDE are supplying beta test software with a _stable_ release, what's
> the
> > point?
> >
> > --
> > Pete
> > Running on SuSE 7.1, Linux 2.4, KDE 2.1
> > All your fly zone are belong to us
>
> Windows ships with Outlook Express. Outlook Express crashes regularly,
> often taking Windows out with it.
>
> Please refer me to the Windows advocacy newsgroup where you are complaining
> about this state of affairs, Pete. I know you're an even-handed, honorable
> person, and you're not on Usenet complaining *only* about Linux. Especially
> when for every minor glitch you uncover in Linux, there are a dozen,
> system-stopping major faults in Windows.
>
> I'm sure everyone is confident that you're not just trying to get attention
> here, Pete. So tell us, which Windows advocacy groups do you do this in?
>
> --
> Weevil
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "The obvious mathematical breakthrough [for breaking encryption schemes]
> would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers."
> -- Bill Gates, The Road Ahead (pg 265), 1995
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Germany Denies Microsoft Ban
Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:14:26 -0700
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> hahahaha - silly penguinistas - I TOLD you it was a lie... but you choose to
> believe your own fud machines... hehe
>
> http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0%2C1283%2C42502%2C00.html
There, now don't you feel silly getting all bent out of shape over it?
Just like the useless Mindcraft "tests" -- in the end it doesn't
really matter.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: User Friendly??
Date: 20 Mar 2001 12:10:13 +0800
>>>>> "Chad" == Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I think user friendly is: The ability to change everything
>> about the OS to fit your needs, with out multiple reboots.
I think so, because when (user == I), (user is an instance of
"hacker"). Remember, "user friendly" is not well-defined without
defining who the "user" is. So, when most or typical users are
"idiot", that means "idiot-friendly", which is more or less the same
thing as "idiot-proof".
Chad> I disagree. I think user friendly is providing interfaces
Chad> that do what the user expects.
But those so called "user-friendly" programs just provide interfaces
to do what the **programmer* (or designer) expects. So, you're
limited by the programmer's imaginations.
Moreover, since I'm a hacker, I want to be able to arbitrarily bind
any keystroke to any operations. That what I *expect*. So, I find
Emacs and fvwm user-friendly, because I can edit config files to
rebind any key-binding that I prefer to the default ones. Programs as
extensible as Emacs is only limited by my imaginations.
Chad> www.gnome.org had a link to
Chad> a pretty an article that some guy named Joel wrote that I
Chad> thought was pretty good:
Chad> http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$51
I don't agree with him. I hate UI programming because it is
laborious. No creativity. It's not difficult to write a small
program UI that works, but it is hard to write a large-scale one that
works (i.e. relatively bug free) and maintainable. That's a quality
issue. I hate laborious tasks that create low quality products. The
time spent on the UI programmer would better go to improving the
performance and functionalities of the real program. Eventually, the
laborious and boring task would go to cheap labours in developing
countries.
--
Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´°(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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