Linux-Advocacy Digest #910, Volume #28            Tue, 5 Sep 00 01:13:04 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.          Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Eric Bennett)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop 
platform (D. Spider)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Why I hate Windows... (D. Spider)
  Re: Why I hate Windows... (D. Spider)
  Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (mlw)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.          Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard 
      says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:17:58 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:27:48 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:

> Here's a tip, Max. If you don't know, ask. Do not "tell" until you
> do know.
>
> >you know, just casually _mentioned_, "Yea, sure Max, when you ask 'what
> >is the relationship between TT and KDE', the correct answer would be
> >'Well, Matthias Ettrich, founder of the KDE project, is a TrollTech
> >employee.'"
>
> No, it is not the correct answer. It is a misleading answer, because
> it creates the false impression that Ettrich was a member of TT before
> he founded KDE.
>
> The relationship, past, present, and future, between TT and the KDE
> project has been that KDE are a user of TT's main product, and indeed,
> that TT's product is a vital component of KDE.

OK, I will ask this of everyone familiar with the KDE project:

We know that one connection between Trolltech and the KDE project is that
KDE uses Qt.

We now also know that Matthias is both the founder of the KDE project and an
employee of Trolltech.

In addition to that are there or have there been any other connections or
relationships between the KDE project and Trolltech, either directly or
indirectly?  If so, what are they?






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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.          Ballard  
     says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:21:52 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 04 Sep 2000 22:55:33 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>
> >Note to Roberto: KDE *was* a commercial enterprise;
>
> Nonsense. Why don't you just admit that you were wrong ?
>
> > Troll Tech made it
> >so when they hired Matthias,
>
> Wrong. You may as well argue that "Linux is commercial" because
> "Transmeta hired Linus" and "Redhat hired Alan Cox".
>
> The fact remains that KDE has never been a company, and does even have
> a bank account AFAIK.

Does the KDE project accept cash or equivelent donations, if so were are
they stored until used?





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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 00:29:57 -0400

In article <Bt_s5.32780$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> However, by the 3rd trimester, C-sections become more and
> more possible and with todays medical technology, children
> as small as 3-4lbs can live to see long healthy lives
> which makes the need for PBAs unecessary and, in fact,
> counterintuitive and unethical.

"can" live to see long healthy lives, but depending on the chances that 
this will happen it's not clear to me that it's really unethical.  My 
understanding was that for most of these children the likelihood of a 
normal life is not very good.

(Note, I don't like PBAs, but I would defend their use to protect the 
life of the mother, and I support bans with such exceptions.)

-- 
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ ) 
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology

If I return people's greetings, I do so only to give them their greeting back.
-Karl Kraus

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard 
      says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: 5 Sep 2000 04:31:10 GMT

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 00:16:29 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>Said Gary Hallock in comp.os.linux.advocacy; 

>>Hu??  Donovan said no such thing.  He said ignorance is not a defense for
>>slander.
>
>You moron, he said I'm a sex offender, while pretending not to.  How
>stupid are you?

No, I didn't. I'm not sure whether you're really this dumb, or whether
you are using a cheap diversionary tactic to get away from the main 
point --

the main point being that ignorance is not a defence against libel.

Instead of debating this issue, you are pursuing an irrelevant line of 
argument.

>>I'm sorry about that.  It is really quite simple.
>
>I'd say you're just simple, and sorry.

Well I'd say that his reading comprehension is better than yours.

-- 
Donovan


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard 
      says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: 5 Sep 2000 04:32:43 GMT

On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:07:50 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:48:23 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>
>> > What was his >relationship to harmony?
>>
>> He probably regarded it as yet another announcement. Announcements don't
>> mean very much in themselves. Working code and proof of concept are worth
>> paying attention to. Announcements are not.
>
>Where is the corpus of the Harmony project's documents and communications
>stored?  What are the URL's, if any?

Sorry, I don't know.

Cheers,
-- 
Donovan

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 00:24:34 -0400

"Joe R." wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > It is the HIGHT OF ARROGANCE to consider that man has even a noticable
> > impact on climate,
> 
> And the height of lunacy to refuse to consider it.

I've considered.  Then I've looked at the numbers.

Take ALL CO2-producing human activity on the face of the planet, and
it amounts to a mere fraction OF JUST THE TERMITES (1/20th, to be
exact).

Outside of re-routing a river, or other activity which re-routes
water and/or latent heat, the activity of mankind is INSIGNIFICANT
compared to the rest of nature.

And the ONLY reason why re-routing a river is significant is because
it is a permanent change to....a natural process (the flow of the
river).



> 
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Joe R.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard 
      says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: 5 Sep 2000 04:33:52 GMT

On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:17:44 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:37:47 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't believe it would be that much different. GTK is similar enough
>> to Qt that a Qt programmer could start coding immediately if they had
>> the GTK docs in front of them.
>
>And a wrapper library to map or otherwise handle the difference between Qt
>and GTK could be used to speed the initial conversion of programs dependent
>on Qt to GTK.  After that the programmers could perform the final conversion
>at their leisure.

Interesting comment. I'm inclined to agree, the kits are close enough
in design that a wrapper would be possible. I'm not sure how easy it 
would be though, since Qt's signal/slot implementation is somewhat 
artificial ( it uses macros )

-- 
Donovan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Spider)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop 
platform
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 04:38:00 GMT

It appears that on Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:41:49 GMT, in
comp.os.linux.advocacy "Shocktrooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>"D. Spider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Any GUI is relatively unstable - particularly on commodity hardware.
>> >> That said, in my experience X is far more stable than any variety of
>> >> MSWin.
>> >
>> >On what hardware ?
>> >
>> >On most resonably new videocards, X is quite unstable.  Given video card
>> >vendors reluctance to hand out specifications for their cards, this is not
>> >entirely surprising.  However, that doesn't change the facts.
>>
>> I refuse to buy videocards that don't have good open source drivers
>> available, and I've never seen what you are describing. If you are
>> running proprietary binary-only drivers, then you have no grounds to
>> expect stability. Those are not supported or recommended.
>
>Oh great. So in order to "upgrade" to linux.. I have to forgo graphic cards from 
>Intense3D/3Dlabs, and the like?

If your purpose in upgrading is stability, definately you need to
avoid closed hardware. This isn't too hard to do, as more and more
hardware manufacturers are realising that they gain nothing and lose
some sales by refusing to open the specs for their hardware. ATI has
been very good at this quite some time, and their hardware is quite
capable. Other manufacturers have been coming around. 

It's not much different from anything other OS - if you want to
install Windows2000 for instance you are well advised to check the
hardware compatibility list for that before installing (or purchasing
a hardware upgrade) as well. 

Some manufacturers have been providing binary-only drivers for Linux
(Nvidia comes to mind) and they do work - if windows is stable enough
for you they may be fine for you, but personally I would avoid them.
Binary only drivers are not open to peer review, and cannot be
recompiled if a software upgrade breaks something they depend on. A
Free driver can be reviewed, cleaned up, recompiled, and modified
whenever necessary, so they are much more stable and useful. 


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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 00:32:55 -0400

Courageous wrote:
> 
> > Make no mistake, partial birth abortions are infanticide and have nothing
> > to do with a woman's right to choose.
> 
> It has something to do with her right to choose, but what
> right to choose is that, you ask? Answer: the right to live.
> 
> Partial birth abortions aren't used as a form of birth control,
> you know...

Actually, NUMEROUS obstetricians testified before congress that they
do not know of a single case where a partial-birth abortion could
be defended on medical grounds.

Not a single one.

In other words...EVERY SINGLE partial-birth abortion was actually
neo-natal murder.


> 
> C//


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 00:35:06 -0400

Eric Bennett wrote:
> 
> In article <Bt_s5.32780$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > However, by the 3rd trimester, C-sections become more and
> > more possible and with todays medical technology, children
> > as small as 3-4lbs can live to see long healthy lives
> > which makes the need for PBAs unecessary and, in fact,
> > counterintuitive and unethical.
> 
> "can" live to see long healthy lives, but depending on the chances that
> this will happen it's not clear to me that it's really unethical.  My
> understanding was that for most of these children the likelihood of a
> normal life is not very good.
> 
> (Note, I don't like PBAs, but I would defend their use to protect the
> life of the mother, and I support bans with such exceptions.)

Can you name ONE CASE wear this procedure of inter-vaginal murder
was necessary to "save the mother's life"?


Hint fucking hint: It's a RED-HERRING that was thrown out to by
the abortion-industry, to be repeated over and over like a mantra.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Spider)
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 04:41:19 GMT

It appears that on Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:30:01 -0500, in
comp.os.linux.advocacy "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>"Slip Gun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> WOW! You must have one hell of a PC! (Maybe a bit like the Love Bug). I
>> haven't been able to run 'doze for more than about 8 hours without
>> massive slowdown and crashing. Please tell me how you manage to achive
>> this.
>
>It's not that difficult.  Just maintain your system.  Always keep your BIOS
>and drivers up to date, make sure you prune your registry tree to remove
>cruft, delete your cache files every so often, clean out your temp directory
>every so often, and don't install hundreds of crappy utilities written by
>some kid in his basement.

I always find it amusing that windows advocates deride linux as hard
to use, but turn a blind eye to the registry. If you expect someone
that has trouble learning linux to edit their own registry effectively
I think you are living in a dreamworld. 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Spider)
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 04:44:26 GMT

It appears that on Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:35:14 -0500, in
comp.os.linux.advocacy "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8p1bh2$5hq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:h6Cs5.8726$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > "Mig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:8oug5k$ne7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > Oh comeon Ingemar. Not even NT that  i use stays up two days without a
>> > > reboot.... it just gets slower and slower and slower and finally i
>have
>> to
>> > > reboot to make it faster.
>> >
>> > I posted some screenshots of my task manager a few days ago.  It showed
>> that
>> > the distributed.net client on my machine has been running for 707 hours
>> (or
>> > about 30 days).  It's now 798 hours.  And this is an NT4 machine, the
>>
>> Once your NT box has been up for 33,732.367 hours as Linux boxes have been
>> for me, then you will have something interesting to say.
>
>Why is it that when someone says "NT can't stay up for 2 days" nobody says a
>thing.  But when someone says "that's not true and I can prove it.  My NT
>system has been up for over a month" you have to say "so what, it's not up
>as long as my <blah> system."?
>
>However long your Linux box has been up is irrelevant to the claim that NT
>can only stay up for 2 days.
>
>

Anyone that says 2 days is either indulging in hyperbole, or has had
experience with some very unstable systems. I HAVE had to work with NT
boxes that couldn't stay up two days by the way, and you can't blame
em on me, because I didn't set them up. Team from MS did. *chuckles*
but that was a few years ago, it's gotten better. If it's well
maintained 2 weeks should be safe. That's still considered very poor
by Unix standards, though. 

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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 00:50:37 -0400

Mark Johnson wrote:
> 
> It sounds like what you are talking about is BeOS...it's really slick.

BeOS is just another closed source operating system. It will never carve
out a critical mass of users. This is because there is a closed source
OS, named Windows, already. BeOS may have some neat features, but I see
no compelling reason to use it.

Linux on the other hand is free and open source. This is a very
compelling situation.

> 
> This is still an interesting post because IMHO Linux is "just" a free Unix.

"just" a free unix. That's funny on so many levels, it is difficult to
begin to explain why. Then again, if you don't already know, the
explanation won't help you.


> I would never think of Linux as an innovative OS or see the Linux community
> seeking to further the state of the art or technology of operating systems.

No why on earth would you say something like that? Linux (and UNIX) is
still amazingly innovative when compared to Windows, Macintosh, or BeOS.
One might argue that the "state of the art" in computers is far ahead of
where Windows and W2k seem to be.

Symbolic links is a cool example. Windows 2000 has them now, wow! that
was innovation, how long has UNIX had them? for years.

NT Terminal Server, what! The ability to run GUI programs remotely? Wow,
that MS, they sure know how to make software. NOT. X has been doing that
for years as well. (An with a lot fewer computing resources)

UNIX almost by definition is innovative.

> But this isn't their charter, right? I don't think you'll find what you're
> looking for in Linux.

Again, why would you say that?

Granted, Linux does not have the marketware companies writing cute
little paper clipped apps with fuzzy little creatures pointing idiots to
the right menu items, but we do have some hot damn databases, scientific
tools, and whatever else you need. And yes, there is competition in
office programs. (Unlike that other environment)



-- 
http://www.mohawksoft.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard 
      says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: 5 Sep 2000 05:02:23 GMT

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 00:19:55 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy; 
>>No, I haven't accused you of being a sex offender. 
>
>No, you said I was a sex offender.

This is an outright lie. 

It might be true that you, by way of poor reading comprehension or willful 
ignorance, inferred from post that I considered you to be the above, but
that is not the case. 

Before this thread descends into irrelevance, let me point out that
your angry rant is inconsistent with your belief that ignorance is
a valid defense against charges of libel.

>>Please read the post
>>again.
>
>I did; you put an 'if' in front of it, 

Creating a hypothetical scenario in which you perform a certain action 
is not the same as performing that action. It should have been clear
from the context that I wasn't calling you names.

> so you could pretend that you
>hadn't called me a sex offender, 

The context of the post makes it clear that I was not accusing you -- I
conclude that making such an accusation would be morally indefensible.

When I proposed a scenario under which I make an assertion, and then 
proceeded to explain why I think it would be wrong to make the said
assertion, the context made it perfectly clear that I was not making
the assertion through a back door.

> but nobody who is smart enough to read
>Usenet is stupid enough to miss that the reason you brought up the
>entire argument is so that you could type the words "max is a sex
>offender".  

No, I didn't. As usual, you are making false claims from a position of
ignorance.

I guess it boils down to my word against your baseless assumptions. 

I wonder which of the above those reading the thread hold in higher 
regard ?

-- 
Donovan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.          Ballard  
     says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: 5 Sep 2000 05:07:46 GMT

On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:21:52 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message

>Does the KDE project accept cash or equivelent donations, if so were are
>they stored until used?

Actually, it looks like they do. They have an account number on their
page that you're supposed to wire money to.

Note that this doesn't make them "commercial".

-- 
Donovan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard 
      says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: 5 Sep 2000 05:09:04 GMT

On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:17:58 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>In addition to that are there or have there been any other connections or
>relationships between the KDE project and Trolltech, either directly or
>indirectly?  If so, what are they?

I believe one of the TT people works on Koffice.

-- 
Donovan

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