Linux-Advocacy Digest #414, Volume #27 Sat, 1 Jul 00 17:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Can Linux do this? KIOSKS - Lite Linux desktop? Lock-down configs?
("news.teleport.com")
Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! (Nico Coetzee)
Re: Trying Linux yet again.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Jim Cameron)
Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98) (Jim Cameron)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Jens =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pr=FCfer?=)
Re: Trying Linux yet again.... (Jens =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pr=FCfer?=)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Arthur Frain)
calling Dick Tracy! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! ("James")
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Mig Mig)
Re: Petition for Microsoft (OSguy)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Mig Mig)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: 1 Jul 2000 14:02:29 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>X does have a clipboard (run xclipboard) for use with cut and paste. If
>>you cut or copy to the clipboard, you can still use middle button/paste
>>to paste the clipboard data into any app that supports it (which is
>>almost all apps).
>
>That's bizarre. If you have text selected somewhere and you have text on
>the clipboard, how do you know which one will get pasted!
The one that is selected - there can only be one. The clipboard
is just a place to park things and it can hold more than on
thing. You can just as easily pop up an editor to serve
as an intermediate space.
>Most terminal emulators (xterm) do not have an Edit menu with Cut, Copy and
>Paste.
Why would anyone bother using them? Copy is implicit with selection
so why would you go to a menu and pick it too? And it doesn't
get easier than middle-mouse-button for paste. The only situation
that might be worth the extra steps for MS-style pasting is
where you want to replace something with the pasted copy. With
X-style, you have to delete that as a separate step.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "news.teleport.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can Linux do this? KIOSKS - Lite Linux desktop? Lock-down configs?
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:15:08 -0700
Yep. . . Use fvwm and Netscape. There's a howto on LDP that explains
setting up fvwm so that it is locked down well. You gain quite a bit of
resources back by using fvwm over say gnome or kde so the lower ended cpu's
can be used. I won't vouch for a '486 though. . . Sure It could be done,
and if that's all you have for hardware, then by all means, go for it! But
if you're like me, my mom, and my grandma, you better find a Pentium. What
I'm saying is that a lower memory 486 with 36mb RAM will work - I've got one
of those and have tried it (with SCSI to help out) - but jumping up to my
p90 makes enough difference to make the system really useable.
happy surfing. . .
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:01:03 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >It was the 19 Jun 2000 06:02:43 -0500...
> > >...and Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >- Simple web browser with low memory requirements; must be easy to
use for
> > >> >people familiar with IE and Netscape.
> > >>
> > >> You can iether use Netscape, which requiars more RAM and a faster
CPU, or you can use AREENA,
> > >> which isnt' finnished and probably never will be.
> > >
> > >Arena is obsolete anyway, it has been replaced by Amaya, but when I
> > >need a lightweight browser, I use w3m anyway.
> >
> > Also keep in mind that all a kiosk web browser on Linux would
> > need run is the browser itself and X. You don't need to load
> > a window manager or the rest of the desktop that would necesarily
> > be running under Windows or MacOS.
>
> Until the user selects File->New Window
>
> [snip]
>
> It would probably be best to run fvwm95, or another EXPLORE.EXE clone
> (theme), so as not to confuse the users.
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:28:09 +0200
From: Nico Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! !
leg log wrote:
>
> I Installed Mandrake Linux 7.1 two days ago. Thank God for dule-booting. I
> like tinkering around sort of like a hobby, but can not imagine being stuck
> with linux as my only OS.
I think the same way about Windoze...
> Too many things to do just to use the computer productively. How to simply
> install software? Where did the software go? What icon? How to put icon on
> KDE desktop? How to put icon on K menu? Not enough disk space to install?
> I've got 18 Gigs! Star Office will be installed without Java support? Its
> year 2000, I just installed this OS and it did not include Java?
Hold it just there !!
I admit I am no Mandrake Specialist, but RedHat 6.x had no such
problems. Getting an icon on the desktop is just as simple as in Windows
(KDE) and all this about disk space and install paths and... Bull S...!
JAVA is about choice. You want it, you can download it (if not included
on the CD). And by the way, after StarOffice is installed, you will find
all the icons and Menu shortcuts on your next login.
Can't print
> to my USB printers?
I think some others might help you there...
> Have to install the same program for every user?
I think it's about customizing features for each user. Something new for
Windows users... Don't worry, you will get used to it. And of course it
is again about choice. And you're not really installing - you're just
creating directories in the users home directory that holds all of that
customizing info. Very handy for companies running thousands of machines
over continents. You login anywhere on planet earth, and your desktop,
apps and settings follow you.
> The industrial strength is there, but the human interface is too weak. Its
> lost. Most people don't care about the computer or OS. Most people care
> about the products of computing. We want to go, oh great StarOffice! Ten
> minutes later, bam!! Making a slide presentation, or understanding
> investments by reading a spreadsheet. Printing a continuous tone color
> photograph on the printer that was purchased for no other reason than
> photo-quality.
> At this point all of these things seem "possible" with linux. But, the
> challenge will drive most reasonable adults to wonder why bother, why not
> "simply" use a different computer? I think they will think computer, not OS.
> Hard computer Vs easy computer, lets see, Hmm. I'll go with the easy one, I
> just want to get something done.
Linux will get the job done - every time - without crashing !
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I play just what I feel.
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I want a name when I lose.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Trying Linux yet again....
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:16:27 GMT
In article <8jl7vj$2nn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) wrote:
> Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When are you going to learn, jeff?
>
> You're too stupid for linux. Give it up.
>
When are you going to learn, abraxas?? Jeff is to stupid to learn he's
too stupid for Linux.:)
Perry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! !
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:43:53 GMT
What a bunch of BS! Man I can't wait for school to start again!
In article <395e394d$0$8306$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"leg log" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It was my post. I started my professional practice about ten years
ago. I've
> had some success. I'm a wealthy man. Ten years later, about twenty
computers
> later, I've had it!! I drive my cars, I talk on my telephones, I watch
my 10
> or twelve TVs, record each TVs with a VCR( each of them), I use my 6
or 7
> computers. I have Maytags topline washer and dryer. Sleek, jet black
frig.
> and freezer from Sears(Sears man comes installs, etc. just works ..)
All of
> this works different than Linux!! Everything else works for me. Linux
makes
> me work. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> "Jimmy Navarro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > You want an OS alternative? Get yourself an iMac because Linux is
only
> for
> > advanced users.
> >
> > leg log wrote:
> >
> > > I Installed Mandrake Linux 7.1 two days ago. Thank God for
dule-booting.
> I
> > > like tinkering around sort of like a hobby, but can not imagine
being
> stuck
> > > with linux as my only OS.
> > > Too many things to do just to use the computer productively. How
to
> simply
> > > install software? Where did the software go? What icon? How to put
icon
> on
> > > KDE desktop? How to put icon on K menu? Not enough disk space to
> install?
> > > I've got 18 Gigs! Star Office will be installed without Java
support?
> Its
> > > year 2000, I just installed this OS and it did not include Java?
Can't
> print
> > > to my USB printers? Have to install the same program for every
user?
> > > The industrial strength is there, but the human interface is too
weak.
> Its
> > > lost. Most people don't care about the computer or OS. Most people
care
> > > about the products of computing. We want to go, oh great
StarOffice! Ten
> > > minutes later, bam!! Making a slide presentation, or understanding
> > > investments by reading a spreadsheet. Printing a continuous tone
color
> > > photograph on the printer that was purchased for no other reason
than
> > > photo-quality.
> > > At this point all of these things seem "possible" with linux. But,
the
> > > challenge will drive most reasonable adults to wonder why bother,
why
> not
> > > "simply" use a different computer? I think they will think
computer, not
> OS.
> > > Hard computer Vs easy computer, lets see, Hmm. I'll go with the
easy
> one, I
> > > just want to get something done.
> >
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! !
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:46:45 GMT
Nope, your just not smart enough to use it.
In article <395e3a09$0$8301$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"leg log" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Linux as it stand now is STUPID!!!!!
>
> "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8jlcck$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I Installed Mandrake Linux 7.1 two days ago. Thank God for
dule-booting.
> I
> > > like tinkering around sort of like a hobby, but can not imagine
being
> > stuck
> > > with linux as my only OS.
> >
> > So do a lot of people about being stuck with Windows as their only
OS.
> >
> > > Too many things to do just to use the computer productively.
> >
> > The same that at any OS I think.
> >
> > >How to simply
> > > install software? Where did the software go? What icon? How to put
icon
> on
> > > KDE desktop? How to put icon on K menu?
> >
> > Come on, be serious, were you born knowing how to install software
on
> > Windows ?
> > Anyway, where does the software go when you install at Windows ? How
do
> you
> > put an icon at Windows desktop ? And inside the start menu ? Not too
> > intuitive at all.
> >
> > > Star Office will be installed without Java support? Its
> > > year 2000, I just installed this OS and it did not include Java?
> >
> > Why the Hell would you want Java if you do not need it ? I hate Java
and
> > besides,
> > Windows does not install Java, IE does, and Microsoft is being split
> because
> > of that.
> > Not to talk about Microsoft Java virtual machine implementation.
> >
> > >Have to install the same program for every user?
> >
> > Take a look at Office 2000 ;-), besides what do you mind it to
install ?
> > Just installing with
> > /net option and then a little space at each user directory is
enough. Do
> you
> > really want to
> > learn a new OS or just a non-Microsoft Windows ? Linux is not that.
> >
> > > Hard computer Vs easy computer, lets see, Hmm. I'll go with the
easy
> one,
> > I
> > > just want to get something done.
> >
> > As much as a tool can achieve, as much harder it will be to use.
Computers
> > are extremly
> > powerful tools, so, despite Microsoft claims, they MUST be not too
easy to
> > use. And if you
> > think Windows administration and use is easy for
non-windows-introduces
> > ones, you are
> > just wrong. Not to talk about reliability, stability and security.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! !
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:45:28 GMT
So you're not smart enough to use linux, that's YOUR problem..
In article <395e39c0$0$8304$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"leg log" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Pedro,
>
> Put your comments out for me and the rest of the public. All other OS
do. If
> I could use Linux, I probably would!!!
>
> "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8jlcck$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I Installed Mandrake Linux 7.1 two days ago. Thank God for
dule-booting.
> I
> > > like tinkering around sort of like a hobby, but can not imagine
being
> > stuck
> > > with linux as my only OS.
> >
> > So do a lot of people about being stuck with Windows as their only
OS.
> >
> > > Too many things to do just to use the computer productively.
> >
> > The same that at any OS I think.
> >
> > >How to simply
> > > install software? Where did the software go? What icon? How to put
icon
> on
> > > KDE desktop? How to put icon on K menu?
> >
> > Come on, be serious, were you born knowing how to install software
on
> > Windows ?
> > Anyway, where does the software go when you install at Windows ? How
do
> you
> > put an icon at Windows desktop ? And inside the start menu ? Not too
> > intuitive at all.
> >
> > > Star Office will be installed without Java support? Its
> > > year 2000, I just installed this OS and it did not include Java?
> >
> > Why the Hell would you want Java if you do not need it ? I hate Java
and
> > besides,
> > Windows does not install Java, IE does, and Microsoft is being split
> because
> > of that.
> > Not to talk about Microsoft Java virtual machine implementation.
> >
> > >Have to install the same program for every user?
> >
> > Take a look at Office 2000 ;-), besides what do you mind it to
install ?
> > Just installing with
> > /net option and then a little space at each user directory is
enough. Do
> you
> > really want to
> > learn a new OS or just a non-Microsoft Windows ? Linux is not that.
> >
> > > Hard computer Vs easy computer, lets see, Hmm. I'll go with the
easy
> one,
> > I
> > > just want to get something done.
> >
> > As much as a tool can achieve, as much harder it will be to use.
Computers
> > are extremly
> > powerful tools, so, despite Microsoft claims, they MUST be not too
easy to
> > use. And if you
> > think Windows administration and use is easy for
non-windows-introduces
> > ones, you are
> > just wrong. Not to talk about reliability, stability and security.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cameron)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:36:49 GMT
In article <8jgl4e$mja$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My server and other "mission critical" hosts have been up and running now
>for more than six months!
Congratulations.
One of my colleagues here is fond of taunting me because "his" server
(scientific number-crunching) has been up for more than a year while
"mine" (everything else) has only been up for just under 4 months
(largely because of an incident where the CD writer shat itself all
over the SCSI bus on the morning of a conference ... waiting for an
18GB fsck to see whether everybody's presentations are still there is
not fun, but I digress).
Some of you will recall the recent hoo-ha about the security hole in
wu-ftpd. I read about it on bugtraq, went to the source, patched it,
recompiled and replaced. No downtime. No reboot. Not even an
interruption in ftp service. What would I have done had it been NT?
jim
--
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"Revenge is an integral part of forgiving and forgetting" -The BOFH
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cameron)
Subject: Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:53:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jim Cameron wrote:
>> I vote Tim Palmer for Most Successful Troll of 2000.
>
>You misspelled "idiotic"
I'm not entirely sure that I did. You would have thought that no troll
could possibly be more obvious than our Tim, yet people are still
arguing with him and to all appearances taking him seriously. Odd.
Oh and Aaron, I don't mean to be rude, but I think I have yet to see a
post from you where your contribution was longer than that signature.
Could you _please_ trim it?
jim
--
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From: Jens =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pr=FCfer?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:02:04 +0200
Pete Goodwin wrote:
[...]
> (1) When I say Linux, I really mean "the Linux desktop". This is for
> those pedantic souls who took to calling me "moron" and "complete
> idiot".
I would not call you that since I don't generally enjoy insulting
people. Nevertheless I seem to be pedantic. There is no such thing as
"the Linux desktop".
When I call up your "dump the pump" website nothing special happens. I
get invited to boycott petrol stations on August 1st, which I am not
going to do.
By the way: all cookies are rejected automatically by my junkbuster
proxy, so I had no chance rejecting it manually. Linux, X and fvwm run
as stable as ever on my side.
Cheers
Jens
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From: Jens =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pr=FCfer?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trying Linux yet again....
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:15:55 +0200
Jeff Szarka wrote:
[...]
> Every time I've tried to install Linux someone says either my
> distribution is to old / not popular enough or they say I never asked
> for help setting it up. Here's your chance to help.
This is the wrong newsgroup. Technical support can be found in
comp.os.linux.setup
I guess you are just trying to tell ppl how disappointed you are. No
real interest in getting things set up.
Jens
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From: Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 12:51:08 -0700
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >X does have a clipboard (run xclipboard) for use with cut and paste. If
> >you cut or copy to the clipboard, you can still use middle button/paste
> >to paste the clipboard data into any app that supports it (which is
> >almost all apps).
> That's bizarre. If you have text selected somewhere and you have text on
> the clipboard, how do you know which one will get pasted!
It's no different than doing cut - paste, cut - paste -- you lose
the original clipboard contents on the second cut that way too.
The selected text is on the clipboard. Why do you find that
bizarre?
(Open two kedit's, type some text in one, select it, go to the
other and choose Edit | Paste - works fine)
> Most terminal emulators (xterm) do not have an Edit menu with Cut, Copy and
> Paste.
Nope, but they do support left select/middle paste, so
if you know how to do that, you don't need no steenking
menus.
Arthur
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: calling Dick Tracy!
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 20:19:37 GMT
Way cool!
Technology is catching up to Dick Tracy!
http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue75/3993.html
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! !
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:27:25 +0200
Awww loorrrd. Another spotty faced wanker.
"leg log" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:395e394d$0$8306$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> It was my post. I started my professional practice about ten years ago.
I've
> had some success. I'm a wealthy man. Ten years later, about twenty
computers
> later, I've had it!! I drive my cars, I talk on my telephones, I watch my
10
> or twelve TVs, record each TVs with a VCR( each of them), I use my 6 or 7
> computers. I have Maytags topline washer and dryer. Sleek, jet black frig.
> and freezer from Sears(Sears man comes installs, etc. just works ..) All
of
> this works different than Linux!! Everything else works for me. Linux
makes
> me work. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> "Jimmy Navarro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > You want an OS alternative? Get yourself an iMac because Linux is only
> for
> > advanced users.
> >
> > leg log wrote:
> >
> > > I Installed Mandrake Linux 7.1 two days ago. Thank God for
dule-booting.
> I
> > > like tinkering around sort of like a hobby, but can not imagine being
> stuck
> > > with linux as my only OS.
> > > Too many things to do just to use the computer productively. How to
> simply
> > > install software? Where did the software go? What icon? How to put
icon
> on
> > > KDE desktop? How to put icon on K menu? Not enough disk space to
> install?
> > > I've got 18 Gigs! Star Office will be installed without Java support?
> Its
> > > year 2000, I just installed this OS and it did not include Java? Can't
> print
> > > to my USB printers? Have to install the same program for every user?
> > > The industrial strength is there, but the human interface is too weak.
> Its
> > > lost. Most people don't care about the computer or OS. Most people
care
> > > about the products of computing. We want to go, oh great StarOffice!
Ten
> > > minutes later, bam!! Making a slide presentation, or understanding
> > > investments by reading a spreadsheet. Printing a continuous tone color
> > > photograph on the printer that was purchased for no other reason than
> > > photo-quality.
> > > At this point all of these things seem "possible" with linux. But, the
> > > challenge will drive most reasonable adults to wonder why bother, why
> not
> > > "simply" use a different computer? I think they will think computer,
not
> OS.
> > > Hard computer Vs easy computer, lets see, Hmm. I'll go with the easy
> one, I
> > > just want to get something done.
> >
>
>
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From: Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:43:57 +0200
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Oh boy...
>
> Everyone is telling me how Linux(1) is more reliable than Windows. Well,
> here's one for you.
>
> 1. Log onto the Internet with Kppp
> 2. Go to http://www.theregister.co.uk/ with kfm
> 3. Find the article on middle england and boycott the pumps
> 4. Find the link "dump the pump"
> 5. Reject the cookie
> 6. The new KDE window starts up but looks unfinished
> 7. Tell the new window to refresh
>
> All X applications disappear. A message appears briefly that looks like
> the cookie again, but I couldn't tell.
>
> Nothing works from now on. Logout is the only option. Restart, do the
> above, it does it again.
The only thing that happens is that KFM crahses - probably due to the
character set being Windows 1252. Im running KDE desktop and menus and panel
work fine but icons have disapeared from desktop.
How to have everything working again without "rebooting" X11? :-)
Alt-F2 and type KFM.. voila Pete no reboot or other funny stuff needed.
Oh.. i runned Knode wich is a KDE newsreader.. guess what i didnt crash
either so not even KDE apps crashed just the filemanager/browser.
You need to understand a few things. XWindows - X11 - XFree or whatever you
might want to call it is just a application. KDE is just a application. KFM
is just a application... and i could go on. Besides none of the above are
Windows specific.
Cheers
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From: OSguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Petition for Microsoft
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:52:50 -0500
Jimmy Navarro wrote:
> Fellah Linux folks, I found a intesting site.
>
> http://ms-petition.acmsys.net/
>
> This is a site to petition for Microsoft.
>
> YOU MAY POST YOUR LINUX ADVOCACY!
This looks like desperation from people who are so fearful that they
might have to learn something else to use a computer. Too Bad. Change
is inevitable, and it is time for the Microshaft era to end.
Let me answer the petition questions:
>>1.Would your ability to be productive, be better today if Microsoft
had not been as successful?
Yes, it would. In fact, many of the tools I that I used suddenly
disappeared because Microshaft bought out or ran out (via illegal
anti-trust activities) the company, making those tools, out of business
forcing me to use MS crappy tools, or no tools (ie-Wordstar, Borland
C++, etc.).
>>2.Do you think Microsoft would have been as successful if they had not
offered products you wanted?
There is a difference between offering products I wanted, and making
certain that I couldn't get products I wanted from any other company.
M$ made certain that I could only get their products, and most of them I
had turned out not to be what I wanted. Sometimes, in this case,
Nothing was better than something.
>>3.What message does it send, to see any enterprise broken because it
is successful?
It says any successful enterprise that corners the market by illegally
forcing others out of business will be broken up. As you don't want to
hear, successful business that have successful products without engaging
in anti-competitive practices do just fine.
>>4.Do you feel it to be inappropriate for the government to dictate the
content of software solutions and operation systems?
Hogwash, the government hasn't done this. They've only said that the OS
is one company, all other applications are another company. They didn't
say secret passwords and Vchip software had to be put into the OS, that
is, in the ruling. :-)
Obviously, I won't be signing your petition....Good Riddance.
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From: Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:55:03 +0200
Ray Chason wrote:
> I tried this in kfm and it displayed the page incorrectly: the main frame
> came up blank. The side bar displayed but was cropped on the right, and
> there was no scroll bar. CTRL-ALT-F1 revealed the "Charset windows-1252 not
> available" error.
>
> I then right-clicked on the blank frame and chose "New View", and was able
> to see the frame. I did the same on the side bar, and it came up too.
> Perhaps the problem is broken frame support?
>
> Afterwards, the KDE task bar wouldn't launch any new applications.
> CTRL-ALT-F1 showed "QSocketNotifier: Invalid socket specified". Evidently
> the Unix-domain socket that X uses died.
Strange.. my only problems with that page was the disapearing
icons..everything else works including launching apps from the menusystem.
Icons on the desktop can appear again by launching KFM (ALT F2 and KFM)
Tryed the same page with konqueror from 1.91 and it works fine..no probs
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