Linux-Advocacy Digest #414, Volume #33 Fri, 6 Apr 01 10:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Alex
Chaihorsky")
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("WGAF")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("JD")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("tony roth")
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Roy Culley)
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Roy Culley)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Nico
Kadel-Garcia)
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From: "Alex Chaihorsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 06 Apr 2001 13:14:19 GMT
Reply-To: "Alex Chaihorsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hey, I appreciate all the help, Scott. I think that clearly defining your
> terms is the best way to do things. If you just define all the words the
> way they are in the dictionary then Aaron's ideas make no sense.
>
> Some of us are reading the responses so I don't think it's a waste of time
> to respond here to the group.
>
> Fred
I agree, definitions matter. The problem is - different people define things
in the field of ideology according their ideological beliefs. This is not
physics or math where definitions are stable and mostly accepted by
everybody (not always, but mostly). In ideology a definition may be a Trojan
horse - you accept it and with it you accept the whole ideology.
If you do not like Aaron's ideas, may you be so kind to explain what is it
exactly that makes no sense, other than just apply blank negation?
Regards,
Alex Chaihorsky
Reno, NV
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: 6 Apr 2001 13:20:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roger Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>International law allows for war. You may not like it, but it's legal. And
>that is the point. You don't like it. Do you see killing to stop Hitler as
>immoral?
It allows war in some circunstances. Specifically, noone declared war on Hitler
until they were attacked, or someone with who they had a treaty was attacked.
In particular, your loved US didn't declare war on him until Japan was foolish
enough to attack.
So don't use Hitler as an example of declaring a fair war, because it wasn't.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: 6 Apr 2001 13:22:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roger Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto, this is a childish statement. "Power is not right". This is too
>much of an "Oh yeah!!" response. If you aren't going to talk like an adult
>I'll have to ignore you, which is a shame since you seem like a pretty smart
>guy.
If power is right, the Hitler had a right to invade Poland. After all,
he had the power to do that.
Saying power is the same as right is stupid beyond belief. Of course
an army guy is indoctrined to believe it.
BTW: could you follow a little netiquette, and start replying in
a logical order?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: 6 Apr 2001 13:24:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roger Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Now don't try to turn into a punk, Roberto. There is a name for you as
>well... naive. Not a bad thing, understand.
I see the notion of provocative statement is foreign to you.
It has a long tradition. If I tell you: there is no difference between
an army selling you protection from another army and the mob selling you
protection from another mob, it's meant to make you think.
In fact, you should say WHY what I say is not right, HOW there is a
difference.
And I say the name for army is mob. Not a good thing, understand.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 6 Apr 2001 13:27:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Roberto Alsina"
>
>> >> Well, the Catholics say that its "thou shalt not kill". The "commit
>> >> murder" phrasing is *definitely* revisionist.
>> >
>> >"*Definitely* revisionist", huh? LOL!!!
>> >
>> >Do you know what it is in the original hebrew in which it was written.
>Is
>> >it "kill" or is it "murder"? It is "murder".
>> >
>> >The hebrew is "xcr" ( phoneticlly raw-tsakh) which means to "murder",
>> >"slay", "assassinate".
>>
>> Slay: To put to death with a weapon, or by violence; hence, to
>> kill; to put an end to; to destroy.
>>
>> Kill intentionally and with premeditation
>>
>> Murder: unlawful premeditated killing of a human being
>>
>> Notice how murder actually means "to kill unlawfully", but slay doesn't
>> imply unlawfullness. As far as I can see, by providing those two synonims
>> you cleared nothing, since they mean both things.
>
>Get a good concordance and a Hebrew/Aramaic dictionary. The English
>translation of Exodus 20:13 from the earliest text is "You shall not
>murder". If you honestly want to know the truth it is easily researched and
>found.
Well, I don't really give a damn about the bible, to be honest.
It was just an example. You seem to do.
How do you feel about that "the other cheek" business?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 6 Apr 2001 13:29:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roger Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Actually, I had to take religion classes in college and that is what the
>Greek comes out as. Nothing revisionist about that.
The commandments are in the part about Moses. Moses was supposed
to live in Egypt around 2KBC. That book is supposed to have been
written around that time. I seriously doubt it was written in greek.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "WGAF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:30:55 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Have you ever heard the term, "the best technology doesn't always win on
the
> day". UNIX has been around for 35 years, and has never been intended to be
run on
> end lusers systems such as yours, that is why they have stuck with high
end
> servers and workstations, the area where the end user has some grey matter
in
> their head.
Conversely, for 35 years Unix couldn't manage to come up with a usable
version for the end users. Catering for small area is fine, but then it
should not be compared to technology aimed at the mass user market. The
requirements and the subsequent pricing are different among other things.
> Also, if you were to look at Linux as the Desktop version of UNIX,
> considering it has only been around for 9 years, it has made tremendous
inroads
> into the OS market, considering that not only is it competing against UNIX
is
> some areas, but the illegally maintained monopoly of Microsoft in the OS
market.
You says "tremendous inroads", others say hardly visible dent in the OS
market.
>
> I also refute those statistics.
No, you do :)? Partially because it doesn't show Linux on the the top,
right?
> Many of them never include the number of
> downloaded copies of Linux, or the "borrowed" copy, or the number of
people
> outside the US adopting Linux as their main OS.
And the number of copies bought, tried once and thrown away aren't in the
statistics either. Not to mention the fact that most of the statistical data
for OSes gathered for US only with little or no regards to other countries.
> It will be rather interesting if
> Linux becomes the defacto standard on chinese computers, and even if Linux
has a
> 20% share in the Chinese OS market, that will equal 240 Million copies,
thus
> definitely putting it a serious position.
What would be interesting to see is how you derived the above numbers?
Besides, which OS would have the 80% therefore the majority of the OS
market?
> Also there is a matter with Red Flag
> Linux, which, if the Chinese government agrees, could become the standard
OS used
> on government computers, thus, end users in china will follow suite, and
use
> linux as well.
Could, would, should, all it means that it remains to be seen and by no
means it's a guarantee either way. All the sudden and users aren't "end
lusers" once they turn to Linux. Name calling helps a lot, doesn't it?
Otto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 6 Apr 2001 13:31:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roger Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Good for you. And there are the rest of us who will protect you and your
>kind (not meant unkindly). It's what soldiers do.
If you are in the US army, I am 100 times more likely to be killed
by you, or by one of your comrades, or by someone trained by
your comrades to kill people like me, than I am to ever be
protected by any of your kind.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:47:43 -0500
"Austin Ziegler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> > Said Les Mikesell in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 05 Apr 2001 06:20:23
> >> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>> Any program that "uses" a library (regardless of the mechanism or
> >>> semantics) but does not require that library in order to be "useful" in
> >>> operation does not infringe, IMHO.
> >> What part of copyright law says anything about being "useful"? Or
> >> that the covered program must work at all?
> > The one that makes it part of the laws of the United States of America,
> > where epistemological arguments are not allowed to make an individuals
> > rights disappear in a puff of smoke.
> >
> > If it isn't useful or doesn't work, it is not valuable to anybody, hence
> > cannot be bought and sold, hence cannot be intellectual property.
>
> In other words, bozo, you're full of shit. Neither copyright treaties
> nor US copyright laws require that something work to be protected. In
> fact, by default, everything is copyrighted and copyrightable when it's
> written -- and there have to be special exceptions to the law to change
> that (either in the law or in the choices made by the author).
>
Gang,
Tmax is fully a 'straw man' created by the pro-gpl-being-free forces. This
is pretty obvious. He is sort-of like an internet-site honeypot full of crap.
Don't waste your time on this turkey -- I walked away when I proved that the
GPL code isn't free, and it is best to avoid wasting time.
John
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:48:41 -0400
Fred K Ollinger wrote:
>
> GreyCloud ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : Scott Erb wrote:
> : >
> : > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> : > >
> : > > Scott Erb wrote:
> : >
> : > -snip a bunch of insults and lame attacks-
> : >
>
> [deliberately snipped the rest]
>
> Hey, I appreciate all the help, Scott. I think that clearly defining your
> terms is the best way to do things. If you just define all the words the
> way they are in the dictionary then Aaron's ideas make no sense.
Actually, it's the other way around. The only time Scott's arguments
make sense is when he's using his perverted definitions.
>
> Some of us are reading the responses so I don't think it's a waste of time
> to respond here to the group.
>
> Fred
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "tony roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:45:11 -0700
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
things change but you being a dumbass doesn't!
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:12:41 -0700, tony roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Please re read the agreement it does not say anything about owning
the
> >content of everything you do over any of its services only "comments or
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Subject: Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:50:28 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
PhOeNiX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:57:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (webgiant )
> wrote:
>
<snip>
>>And if you happen to have a fairly fast (40kbps actual speed or
>>greater; I don't care what the brochure says) Internet connection and
>>a CD-burner or access to one, you can download fairly current ISO
>>images from www.linuxiso.org and burn your own distro.
>
> LOL, and reinstall (or get a fscked upgrade) your OS every 3
> months...great idea.
>
> apt-get update
> apt-get dist-upgrade
>
> Done.
Having a fairly fast Internet connection is very important for Debian
users that want to try and keep up to date. The commercial Linux
distributions bring out new releases several times a year. With Debian
the time from one stable release to another is much longer.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Subject: Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:36:21 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> But adding in 3rd-party apt sources is a recipe for disaster. Every
> time I've done it it has caused some problem or other (especially with
> Ximian/Helix). To keep debian happy, you should only have sources for
> stuff from debian.org (unless you enjoy manually fixing what apt-get
> happily does and is unable to undo).
I avoided Debian for a long time because I hate dselect. Even the name
I find irritating. I mean, d[e]select to select packages! Still, I was
envious of a friend who just did 'apt-get install app' and it would
install all required packages for the app (it prompts you before it
goes ahead). I then purchased Storm Linux. The simplest Linux install
ever. It is also 100% Debian potato compatible. I've used Ximian/Helix
and red-carpet to keep my gnome packages up to date. Never had a
single problem with either. I'm now playing with Progeny Linux RC2. It
certainly isn't ready for prime time yet but is very close. Since it
looks like Stormix isn't going to survive (a very sad loss) Progeny
looks like it will become an excellent Debian based Linux distribution.
> Hand-in-hand with this, why can't apt *down*grade a package? Numerous
> times I had to back out of bleeding-edge stuff and I had to hunt down
> everything apt upgraded to fix it's mistakes. Yes, yes, I know, it's
> my own fault for using unstable -- too bad that 'stable' Debian is so
> old.
I think this is the biggest fault with Debian. Once a release is
flagged as stable it remains almost static (there are updates and
security updates but basic support for new apps or new versions of
apps stops and all the action is in testing and unstable). Debian's
granularity is at the release level and not at the application
level. If you want to upgrade XFree for example you must use testing
or unstable and then the problems start. The Debian package
maintainers must support stable with new and upgraded apps while they
are working on testing and unstable. If they don't then Debian will
always be a long way behind the commercial distributions and
application developers will support the Redhat's and SuSE's and
continue to ignore Debian even though it is a better distribution if
only for its superb package management. It's a shame that the major
Linux distributions use rpm. Linux desperately needs a standardised
file system structure and a standardised package manager. To date the
Debian package management system is superior to any other I have
used.
> Actually, Red Carpet is only one of many tools that perform the same
> thing as apt only for RPM packages.
>
> I must agree that Red Carpet isn't very intelligent.
Red Carpet is a very good attempt at providing a simple GUI interface
to updating Linux software. If they can hide the different package
management systems of the various distributions then this could be the
best way forward. I hope it succeeds.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:57:15 -0400
silverback wrote:
>
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:24:28 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >silverback wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:31:28 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >silverback wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:24:01 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >silverback wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 06:04:38 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >silverback wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:31:27 -0800, "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >silverback <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >Scott Erb wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I couldn't believe the sudden torrent of fascist like threats and
> >> >> >> >> >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Spot the character assassination.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >First of all, Fascism is a form of socialism. By now, it should be
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrong clyde. Fascism is the polar opposite of socialism. Fascism has
> >> >> >> >> >> always been a top down revolution to protect the interest of the rich
> >> >> >> >> >> corporate owners. The fact that the fascist supporters are from the
> >> >> >> >> >> top tier of society is enough to dispense with yer silly nonsense.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >They are just about one and the same. Socialism usually leads into
>fascism,
> >> >> >> >> >look at Germany around 1930's to 1945.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> too bad moron.The Nazi were right wingers and advocated the same
> >> >> >> >> fucking nonsense as what you do. Cut the taxes of the rich, privatize
> >> >> >> >> large portions of government, outlaw unions, eliminate welfare and
> >> >> >> >> unemployment.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Hint: THOSE are not the attributes which made the Nazis bad.
> >> >> >> > Hope that helps, sliverdick.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> oh yes they were.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Do you think cartels are good or bad?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> bad idiot.
> >> >
> >> >Then why do you support unions, which are nothing more than labor cartels.
> >> >
> >> no thats a big lie
> >
> >Try hiring a person to work on an auto assembly line who DOESN'T want
> >to be a part of the UAW.
>
> if he doesn't want to join the union then he can go find another job.
>
> >
> >The UAW will go to court to prevent the non-UAW person from working
> >in that capacity at the plant.
> >
>
> you damn right let the scabs go work elsewhere
Translation: how DARE they not participate in the labor cartel.
Thank you for admitting that Unions are nothing more than labor cartels.
and...as you already said above...cartels are WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Therefore, labor unions are wrong.
>
> >Now....this is different form a cartel how, exactly?
>
> the fool has a choice to work elsewhere.
You've got it backwards.
A cartel is about the SUPPLY of something, moron.
How about the businessman who has NO freedom to hire someone
who isn't part of the labor cartel?
>
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> And the Nazi economy was based on cartels. But then cartels
> >> >
> >> >Labor unions are nothing more than labor cartels.
> >>
> >> wrong again fool
> >
> >See above.
>
> too bad yer trash bullshit fell on yer head.
If you spent lest time with a dick in your mouth, maybe you'd
have time to crack open a book and read.
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> are a right wing approach to business. In America we were a little
> >> >
> >> >No...cartels are a SOCIALIST approach to business...as evidenced
> >> >by the fact that leftists are very fond of labor cartels.
> >>
> >> wrong again stupid
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> more honest about cartels we called the leaders of such robber barons.
> >> >
> >> >....and Union Thugs.
> >>
> >> no yer an idiot.
> >
> >Visit Detroit sometime. Wherever there's a union, there's union THUGS
> >committing violence and property damage against anybody who opposes them
>
> yer lying again
Oh, this is VERY well documented.
> >(even 3rd-parties not directly involved in the dispute....like during the
> >newspaper strike, when they littered a major thoroughfare outside of
> >a printing plant with tire-spikes....causing dozens of flat tires among
>
> strikes should be respected by the public
So, if I go out on strike against you, mr. sliverdick, the entire
public should automagically support my demand that you give
me more of whatever it is I'm whining about?
As you said in the first line of your response.....if they don't like
it...let them go work some place else.
Second... how does DRIVING ON A PUBLIC ROAD ADJACENT TO A business
which is under a strike constitute favoritism to either side?
How does merely DRIVING ONE'S CAR justify getting one's tires
ruined?
By the way, the, drivers in question sued the UAW in very pro-union
Macomb County.....and WON.
>
> >passing motorists....or the Teamsters, who every time there's a strike,
> >go out and start shooting at Interstate traffic.
> >
> >If that's not thuggery, then what, in your bully-loving opinion, is,
> >eh Sliverdick...
> >
Notice how sliverdick refused to answer the question.
I wonder why
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Nico Kadel-Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:01:53 GMT
Chad Everett wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:37:11 GMT, Nico Kadel-Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Markus Friedl wrote:
> >
> >> In <NJTl6.7512$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Chad Myers"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> >I've already listed the exploits. They may have been patched, but how
> >> >many systems out there are patched? If SSH is so great, why then does
> >> >it have so many vulnerabilities?
> >>
> >> 1) it does not have "many vulnerabilities"
> >> 2) why should we care about vulnerabilities that have been fixed
> >> more than 2 years ago?
> >>
> >> >Why is SSH1 considered "fundamentally flawed" by its own makers?
> >>
> >> Perhaps because they want to sell SSH2?
> >
> >Because it contained RSA, which was patented, and because it had been widely
>published as freeware and
> >supported in the older SSH1 implementation. We have them doing "Fear, Uncertainty,
>and Doubt" on the
> >older implementation to sell the new one, which is basically a pretty suckful
>product. (Whose bright
> >idea was an "sftp" client that can't do wildcard
> >expansion or use "mput" or "mget"?)
> >
>
> What planet do you live on? SSH2 implementations are available free
> (see www.openssl.org and www.openssh.org). The RSA patent has expired.
> SSH2 protocols are stronger than those of SSH1.
RSA was patented when F-Secure started marketing SSH2. It led to US licensing issues,
serious ones.
SSH2 was developed for OpenSSH considerably later: F-Secure is not going to admit that
it is smaller, more
flexible, and better maintained.
I also agree that RSA is stronger than DSA: it was also not part of the original SSH2
specification.
*HISTORY*, friend. You gotta know the *HISTORY* to understand why the marketing dweebs
promulgate these
myths....
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