Linux-Advocacy Digest #414, Volume #32 Thu, 22 Feb 01 19:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: State of linux distros (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: State of linux distros ("Reefer")
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:29:37 -0500
Reefer wrote:
>
> Linsux is dead.
That's why it scares Gates, Allchin, and Steve Baaawwwwwllmer.
>
> "dev null" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:9737j1$b6h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Culled somewhere off of www.devx.com this a.m.
> >
> > In spite of the fact that Mandrake boasts that it is the hottest Linux
> > distributor in retail sales, its retail product is a loss leader. SuSE has
> > laid off two-thirds of its U.S. employees. TurboLinux is cutting back on
> its
> > workforce and may soon wed Linuxcare to refocus its efforts onto services.
> > Stormix, a commercial distributor that based its offering on Debian, has
> > recently filed for bankruptcy. Corel is getting nowhere with its Linux
> > distribution. In other words, most Linux distributions, even the ones
> whose
> > market share is growing each year, are concluding that they can't make
> money
> > selling Linux.....
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Wow, get that! Companies sprouting up like weeds, trying to turn a profit
> on
> > a free product by adding value only. --dubious value at that. And there
> is
> > only SO much value one can add to a linux distro or the penquinistas start
> > braying like donkeys in heat. See Corel for what can happen when they
> think
> > you have 'window-fied' linux!
> >
> > I'm STILL wondering how they ever thought that they COULD be viable.
> > dot com madness, something like mad-cow disease I think.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:33:06 -0500
"Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
>
> Nick Condon wrote:
> > I think he's referring to Prince John, a little snake in the Disney
> > version.
>
> No.
>
Actually, I was. I got Little John confused with Prince John
(who, in many ways, could also be called "little" John).
> Donal.
> --
> Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -- I have to warn you up front that I'm pretty sure you're full of crap, but
> it might still be interesting to see your argument.
> -- Bill Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:33:35 GMT
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Nick Condon wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Rosten) wrote in <972j0q$jm6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >>> LOL! Robin Hood was a common thief.
> > >>
> > >> No...that was the TAX COLLECTOR.
> > >>
> > >> Robin Hood merely returned to the people what was wrongfully stolen
from
> > >> them by Little John's tax collectors.
> > >
> > >Robin Hood was a common thief turned in to a legend.
> > >
> > >Little John was one of the Merry Men according to that legend. Are you
> > >refering to she Sherrif of Nittingham?
>
> Nottingham.
>
> >
> > I think he's referring to Prince John, a little snake in the Disney
> > version.
>
> Sorry, got the two Johns mixed up.
>
> Prince John was rather little (in more ways than one).
>
>
> Prince John had his older brother King Henry (who had gone off
> on a crusade) to be declared dead, and had himself crowned King.
> He then implemented a police state so that he could go about
> methodically seizing all of the wealth throughout England (under
> the PRETENSE of paying for the Crusade).
>
The more common story is Prince John is trying to raise the ransom money for
King Henry, thats why he has to raise the taxes.
> Robin was a yeoman, part of the rising middle class of the
> period.
>
Robin is a Saxon, some stories he can be any thing yeoman to the leading
Saxon of the Nottingham. The important fact is that he is a Saxon, and
they (Prince John and the ruling Nobles) are Normans.
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:40:56 +0000
>> No, I'm proving the requirments based on functionality
>
> No, you're making up your own definition.
Er, no.
>> >> program_that_never_stops[*] | head -10
>> >
>> > Try this under Unix (or any other multitasking OS) using the same
>> > program.
>> >
>> > program_that_never_stops | tail -n 10
>> >
>> > tail needs an end of file before it can know where to start. So
>> > likewise, it doesn't work.
>>
>> No, that is an erroneous argumet. I have given as example of something
>> that does work with piping but will only work under a multitasking OS.
>
> No, you stated that in order for pipes to be "real" they have to work in
> all cases. I just provided a case where it doesn't, just like you tried
> to provide a case where it didn't to prove your point.
Don't be an idiot. I didn't say pipes were capable of solving
uncomputable problems. I'm saying that single tasking pipes can do only a
subset of what multitasking pipes and that multitasking pipes can do
everything that pipes can do. I proved this by example. The best you can
do is come up with some half arsed problem that nothing could ever solve
(thus not proving anything about pipes).
>> >> Since I have just proven that piping does not always work under
>> >> single tasking, I have proven that it needs to have multitasking to
>> >> work properly. I do not need to cite someone elses definition
>> >> because I have proven that it needs multitasking.
>>
>> > Piping doesn't always work under multitasking either. Your arguments
>> > is moot and inaccurate.
>>
>> You've given an example where pipes fail because what you're trying to
>> to is non computable (so of course a computer can't do it). Citing a
>> non computable problem as a reason for pipes not working under
>> multitasking is not a valid argument because the computation fails for
>> other reasons.
>
> It's a perfectly valid argument. Pipes do not require multitasking.
Yes they do. I have proven this by example. Single tasking pipes can
only do a subset of what multitasking pipes can do. I have proven this by
example.
>> I have cited a computable problem which works under multitasking but
>> can not work under single tasking. I still stick by this as proof that
>> pipes need multitasking to function properly.
>
> And I cited one that doesn't work. Stop changing your defintions.
No, you cited a noncomputable problem. That had nothing to do with pipes.
I am not convinced that you would know a proof if it bit you on the leg.
-Ed
--
| u98ejr
| @
Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
| .ac.uk
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:42:10 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:14:47 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> >Really?
> >
> >1. So, what you're saying, is that, after you die, you intend to pass
> >on absolutely NOTHING of value to your children and/or grandchildren?
>
> I doubt I'm likely to have anything over the threshold for the inheritance
> tax in the US.
I see. So, basically, you have some arbitrary figure in mind as to how
much is "too much".
Care to name it?
Or are you an "I don't care about injustice as long as it doesn't
effect me" hypocrite.
> But suppose I was taxed at 100%. That would not stop me
> working while I was alive, no. I'm not saying they should tax at that
> rate though.
You would willingly get up and go to work each day under a
100% income tax law?
You're a fool.
Exactly how do you expect to feed yourself and keep yourself
clothed if you are spending 8 hours/day working for ZILCH.
You have just demonstrated that you have not the slightest
concept of how personal finances work in the real world.
>
> >2. Death Taxes are the LEADING cause of failure for businesses
> >that last more than 10 years....not to mention an INCREDIBLE burden
> >upon farming families.
>
> Must be very well-to-do "farming families". What's the threshold again ?
> IIRC you don't pay a cent unless you're a millionaire.
Productive farmland is VERY valuable.
>
> "Leading cause of failure for businesses that last more than 10
> years" ... ? Sounds like an awfully contrived statistic. I'm not
No...it keeps the statistic confined to those companies that are
actually successful (i.e. MOST business start-up fail within 7
years because the owners don't quite know what they are doing...
If confind your study to those businesses which have lasted for
10 years or more, then you are confining your study to businesses
which have proven themselves to be viable)
> clear as to how you isolate the tax as a variable BTW (In particular,
> how do you know that the business didn't fail because the heirs ran
> it into the ground?)
>
> >Fuck that all your socialist, bureacrats-can-do-no-wrong bullshit.
> >
> >We give enough money to the public education system in this
> >country to properly educate 5x the current number of students.
>
> Sure, you could probably cut costs by 80% or so by reducing
> teachers salaries to say about $5000-.
Getting rid of the do-nothing bureacracy of administrators in
most school districts (especially large schoold districts) would
be MUCH more effective.
How many teachers are riding around in chauffer-driven limosines?
>
> >> have something which is of greater resemblence to a meritocracy. The
> >> rich kids have an advantage, but not an exclusive lock.
> >
> >Welcome to fucking reality. Now, try dealing with it, rather than
> >pretending that it magic-fairy-dust is all that's needed to cure it.
>
> I never did claim that "magic fairy dust" will cure anything. The fact
> that it's not easy to "cure" does not mean that we should not try.
Stealing from those who are productive and successful
only exacerbates the problem.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:42:40 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:50:26 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> >> Cite please ?
> >
> >
> >FBI Uniform Crime Report.
>
> You call that a cite ?
I told you the name of the source.
Do your own homework.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Reefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:48:45 GMT
"Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:973qo7$7dg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> A superior OS can make do with whatever hardware platform it is installed
> on, and can utilize every ounce of power from that hardware, and not just
> run with mediocre performance on greater hardware requirements.
>
> Especially when a Linux/UNIX box at 133mhz can out-perform a P-II Win2k
> server in terms of stability, uptime, and performance.
>
> Windows will never push hardware to its full potential. It is a superior
> platform only when you want to bog down powerful hardware with incredible
> bloat.
>
>
ah, but C'MON.....like i said before; this is the year 2001, and anyone
running a 'puter with less than a PII 300 (or compatible) and 128 MB RAM in
it, need some serious reality check, u cant wip a dead horse like that for
ever ...but then again; Win2kpro works just fine with a P133, just make sure
to have 'nuff memory in it...
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:46:12 +0000
>>If you read my message you'll see that working on the origional
>>definition of pipes stated earlier in the thread (they take output of
>>one process and put it in to the input of another process)
>
> This definition is not only wrong, it does not *require* asunchronous
yes. Pipes need multitasking.
> processing (though that would certainly make them work more efficiently)
>
> For example, you *could* do
>
> cat very_big_file | head -3
>
> without multitasking, though it would not be terribly efficient.
This is a problem that ppes are fully able to solve:
program_that_wont_finish | head -3
pipes can solve that problem if multitasking is used. They can not if
single tasking is used. Therefore single tasking pipes have only a subset
of the functionality of mltitasking. Therefore in order to solve all
computations that pipes are able to solve, multitasking is required.
>> I have proven that
>>pipes require multitasking,
>
> Your example does not show that anything requires multitasking, it only
> shows that multitasking makes something more efficient.
You didn't read my example properly. I have restated it above. It
requires multitasking.
> Moreover, your example does not say anything about pipes, because you
> are working with a completely ficticious definition of what a "pipe" is.
Eh? I have used shell piping syntax. I could write those programs and run
it under UNIX. I'm not using a definition, I'm using the real thing.
>> so I don't need to cite someone elses
>>definition of pipes to show that they require multitasking.
>
> Unless you actually know what a pipe is, you're not in much of a
> position to say anything about them.
I'm using piping syntax as define under DOS and (modern) UNIX shells. I
know what it is. How would I know what | did if I didn't know what pipes
did?
-Ed
--
| u98ejr
| @
Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
| .ac.uk
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:52:02 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:04:01 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> >I tend to hang out with people who believe in personal freedom.
>
> Yeah, personal freedom for the aristocracy, right ?
I don't know of any aristocracy, other than Kennedy, the Rockefellers,
and similar people. They won't let me into their country club, so
no, I don't hang out with such types.
>
> Since you believe in "personal freedom", do you support anti-drug
> laws ?
Not the current ones.
Better to just pass a law that says that the punishment for any
crime is TRIPLED, and raised a level (say from Class C Misdemeanor
to Class B Misdemeanor, or from Class A misdemeanor to Class D
Felony) for any offence committed under the influence of drugs
or alcohol.
This eliminates the contraband problem, and all of the associated
side effects, while STILL providing a negative-reinforcement to
out-of-control drug use.
If someone wants to lock himself in a room and do LSD, no
problem. If he wants to do it while driving a vehicle, then
he gets hit REALLY hard for anything stupid he does.
> Just curious.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 22 Feb 2001 23:53:38 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:>A Christian theocracy is impossible, because Christianity and
:>theocracy are mutually exclusive. Jesus said that His kingdom was not
:>of this world.
:>
:>However, for an elected leader to express some tiny bit of a moral
:>backbone, with regard to abortion, infanticide, etc., does NOT
:>constitute the establishment of a "theocracy."
: When that "moral backbone" is motivated solely by religious
: dogma, then it is indeed theocratic.
No, it is not. Look up the definition of "theocracy."
: If it can't be justified
: based on purely secular grounds, then it's place in a republic
: is suspect.
Morality can be justified on a variety of grounds, some of them purely
secular, as evidenced by the fact that both religious and secular
belief systems tend to come to very similar conclusions at least on
the more important points.
Joe
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:54:25 -0500
"Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > If you remove "HABITUAL criminals killing other HABITUAL CRIMINALS",
> > the number is substantially lower.
> >
> > If you remove HABITUAL CRIMINALS killing anybody, the number of
> > illegal gun deaths remaining (that is, non-habitual criminals
> > commiting wrongful homicide) is exceedingly small.
>
> Which country are you referring to here? I think this particular point
> that you make (which I happen to agree with) is true throughout a lot
> of the world. :^)
>
> > *SOME* gun deaths are entirely legitimate, by the way....such
> > as when a bystander, or victim, shoots a perpetrator.
>
> A bystander? Not sure I'd agree with that being taken as anything other
> than murder. Criminals still have rights, even when they abuse the rights
> of others. This is because we live in (what we like to think of as) a
> free society, and is IMHO one of the main features of one...
>
Did you know that when coming into a situation in progress, the
police shoot the WRONG person about 40% of the time. Conversely,
armed-bystanders kill the wrong person less than 5% of the time.
> Donal.
> --
> Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -- I have to warn you up front that I'm pretty sure you're full of crap, but
> it might still be interesting to see your argument.
> -- Bill Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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