Linux-Advocacy Digest #766, Volume #27 Tue, 18 Jul 00 23:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Star Office to be open sourced (Drazen Kacar)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Spud")
Re: I had a reality check today :( ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I had a reality check today :( ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I had a reality check today :( ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Trauma 98-00 (Adam Smith)
Re: 11 Linux features I care about (was: 10 Linux "features" nobody ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux as a desktop platform ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Advocacy and Programmers... (mlw)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drazen Kacar)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Star Office to be open sourced
Date: 19 Jul 2000 02:17:47 GMT
Craig Kelley wrote:
> Actually, Linux has been certified UNIX-98 compliant
Hm... Unix 98 has makecontext() as a mandatory interface. Now, with 2.2.17
kernel and
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <ucontext.h>
main()
{
ucontext_t ucp;
makecontext(&ucp, NULL, 0);
return 0;
}
gcc c.c gives:
/tmp/ccGaGV50.o: In function `main':
/tmp/ccGaGV50.o(.text+0x18): warning: makecontext is not implemented and will
always fail
This doesn't look very compliant. Could you give a reference to your source
of information?
--
.-. .-. I don't work for my employer.
(_ \ / _)
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From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:33:25 -0700
[snips]
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What are your (Windows advocate) reactions to this whole .NET
software
> leasing idea?
Well, I'm a Windows user rather than advocate, but...
Personally, I could care less. The one potential benefit I see is not
having to shell out umpteen bucks for a product which I will at best
occasionally use; if I understand their plans, I'll pay when I _do_
use it, and quite possibly end up paying a heck of a lot less than
purchasing.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:31:40 -0400
Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:44:36 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Tim Palmer wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:12:15 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Tim Palmer wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 8 Jul 2000 07:20:33 GMT, Ray Chason
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>On 6 Jul 2000 03:40:57 GMT, Ray Chason
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >>>Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>It won't healp LIE-nux anny. Nobuddy want's to reed HOWTO after HOWTO
>after HOWTO. You alreddy have
> >> >> >>>>users reeding TOO HOWTO's PLUS the ones they alreddy half toreed to get
>the rest of CommyLie-nux working.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>Can't you set up your Windoze-based newsreader so it doesn't spew these
> >> >> >>>mile-long lines?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Cant you make your Generly Not Usefall (GNU) CommyLie-nux crap to handall
>long lines propperly?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >1) My newsreader is of my own design and handles long lines just fine,
> >> >> > thank you very much...
> >> >>
> >> >> Proov my point again why do'nt you? In UNIX you half to rite your own
>programms, and your another exampel.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >2) but others read news in university labs and such, using VT100 terminals
> >> >> > with no GUI capability.
> >> >>
> >> >> Today's universitty's have Windows. If all your universitty has are UNIX, then
>your universitty is living in a cave.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Caves like University of California, Berkely...MIT, Purdue, Carnegie
> >> >Mellon.
> >> >
> >> >Yeah...some caves.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >3) Then there are those who have to use large fonts just to read news at
> >> >> > all. Some of them are even Windoze users.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >4) You could horizontally scroll but that's a PITA.
> >> >>
> >> >> ...only if you use SLRN. In Outlook its easie you just use scroalbar.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >you are addled.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >5) Hence long-standing rules of netiquette call for lines to wrap in the
> >> >> > low 70's.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You piss and moan that Linux makes *you* work harder, yet you're perfectly
> >> >> >willing to make *others* work harder to read your posts. Timmy-boy,
> >> >> >you're not just a Wintroll. You're also a hypocrite.
> >> >>
> >> >> That only half to work harder becase they use UNIX and UNIX make's them work
> >> >> harder. Thats' my
> >> >> hoal point. UNIX blows. Windo's is miles ahed of UNIX and you peopal are still
> >> >> acting like UNIX was
> >> >> stait-of-the-art.
> >> >
> >> >lets see...
> >> >
> >> >for f in `cat [file with a list of files to process]`
> >> >do
> >> > echo "processing file $f"
> >> > process_with_awk_script_to_edit and_rearrange_columns $f
> >> >done
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Or, alternatively, using LoseDOS drool-and-click to process
> >> >50 files by hand.
> >> >
> >> >Only a moron can fail to see that the LoseDOS interface
> >> >is FAR more work
> >>
> >> Or drag and drop 50 fials onto an icon to do the same thing without wrighting
>shell scripts.
> >>
> >
> >I can do the exact same thing on any modern flavor of unix, so, like
> >do you have a point?
> >
>
> "Moddern UNIX", now thear's an oxymorron.
Unix Microsoft products
First Multi-processing kernal 1970 1995
tape backup utilities 1970 1998
First GUI 1984 1990
Cut and Past support in GUI 1984 1993
Full networking support 1984 1995
No differentiation between remote 1984 never implemented
users and console users
First Multi-user kernal 1970 never implemented
Configuration changes w/o rebooting 1970 never implemented
First non-fragmenting filesystem 1983 never implemented
RAID support (Redundant Array 1991 never implemented
of Inexpensive Disks)
full remote administration possible, 1970 never implemented
including O/S install
GUI's available 10 1
Notice a pattern yet, spell-check boy?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:34:15 -0400
MH wrote:
>
> Like most (L)users, I have just the sort of time to try and parse a core
> file to determine why the applet dejour barfed. A better question might have
> been why do these "bullet proof" linux distributions have the propensity to
> leave these core droppings littered about in the first place?
Ever think of sending it off to whoever wrote it?
No, of course not, because you're a fucking moron.
You see, with Unix, at least you have the OPTION of getting the
core file to a competent authority for investigation. Conversely,
windows won't let you, because someone might...learn something
about their own computer (horrors!)
>
> > > > Are you saying that causing system-crashes is "good programming"
> !?!?!?
>
> > > Having to write script to remove almost daily Core files is?
>
> > You're right...it's better to do it the MS-way...
> > NEVER generate a core file, so NOBODY can ever figure out why
> > the program crashed.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:35:39 -0400
Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:58:49 -0400, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Like most (L)users, I have just the sort of time to try and parse a core
> >file to determine why the applet dejour barfed. A better question might have
> >been why do these "bullet proof" linux distributions have the propensity to
> >leave these core droppings littered about in the first place?
>
> Becauze they expect you to fix thear bugs for them. Lie-nux if for poepal that watn
>to play with script's
> all day. Windo's for poepal who want to get on with their lives.
>
Yes, it is sooooooooooooooo much easier to point-and-click the same
modifications to 50 seperate files...
MUCH easier than writing a 10-line shell scripts and shoving
all 50 files through the shell script.
I also have several bridges around New York that I might interest
you in purchasing.
> >
> >
> >> > > Are you saying that causing system-crashes is "good programming"
> >!?!?!?
> >
> >> > Having to write script to remove almost daily Core files is?
> >
> >> You're right...it's better to do it the MS-way...
> >> NEVER generate a core file, so NOBODY can ever figure out why
> >> the program crashed.
> >
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Adam Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trauma 98-00
Date: 19 Jul 2000 02:38:16 GMT
Paul Gresham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I still have a book from 1994, called Linux Installation and Getting
> Started by Matt Welsh, it came with a CD for Slackware 2.0, which I've
> lost. On the inside cover is my system spec when I built my first linux
> box, a 486dx50 (that's a true 50Mhz, not a clock doubled 25) 32MB Ram,
> with a Trident 8900CL/8900D 1024K video card. It doesn't say what sound
> card, but I remember it was an SB16 Pro. Damn it was fast compared to
> windows, I think a kernel build took most of day if not more :).
I've still got that book, too! The one with a beach painting on the
front? I got it with Slack 2.0 for my first Linux box, a Pentium-90
with 16MB of RAM and an ATI Mach 64. It didn't support my CD drive,
so I had to copy everything I needed to a directory on my DOS
partition. And it took me forever to get X running.
I just installed RH6.2 on a new machine in about half an hour. Not
even remotely the same experience.
--
Adam Smith
Boston University
Department of Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering
"In theory there's no difference between theory and practice, but in
practice there is."
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 11 Linux features I care about (was: 10 Linux "features" nobody
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:38:41 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:42:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I was going to post a humorous reply to this, but then I realized it
> >would be attacked by a bunch of losers defending a dying operating
> >system from a has-been company run by a geek and changed my mind.
>
> Niether Bill Gates nor Steve Ballmer is a geek. They are marketroids
> masquerading as geeks, real geeks are slowly starting to realize
> this, and some of them don't like what they realize.
I new it a long time ago during my first experience with DOS after
working with Unix for 4 years.
Despite all of Microsoft's money, they couldn't get some hot-shot
programmers to fix all the problems??
Or is it that....Gates is a crank who really doesn't understand
the techonology very well (remember when his first book, the one
released in 1994....the one about the "future" of computing,
and Gates COMPLETELY missed the Internet....)
>
> --
> Microsoft Windows. Never had it, never will.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:39:49 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Spud wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > abraxas wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:8kefaj$3p2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> > Rob:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I didn't read the code because I have a few questions before
> > > I even
> > > > > > begin to
> > > > > >> > think about how to do this in windows.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You didnt read the code because you CANT read the code,
> > > dresden.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and again, you provide nothing but an attempt at insult. go
> > > mutilate
> > > > > > yourself some more...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You dont know how to read code, because you are an IT
> > > professional. You
> > > > > know how to hook up printers, and thats about it. Now stop trying
> > > to
> > > > > fool everyone and go back to changing toner.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No..he also replaces big, ORACLE databases servers on Unix with
> > > > Microsoft
> > > > Exchange running on LoseNT....
> > > >
> > > > NOT!
> > >
> > > "NOT" is absolutely correct. Only a complete idiot would even
> > > *contemplate* replacing a database server with a messaging server.
> > > Whoops, someone did contemplate it.
> >
> > Yes, that would be resident troll, Drestin Black, who claims to
> > do exactly that.
>
> WHAT?!!! What the HELL are you talking about. I suggested no such thing.
> Withdraw your lie.
Obviously, you aren't communicating coherently.
Care to revise your earlier statements.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:40:46 -0400
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The boy isn't to perceptive, is he.
>
> [snip 28 lines of signature]
>
> Please trim your signature -- your newsreader should refuse to post
> such a lengthy sig (I know tin, trn and gnus all refuse to support
> such gross net abuse).
My news reader is broken, so sue me.
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:43:07 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> > >
> > > You are just a little too hyper to play with...
> > >
> > > remember, it's just an OS, it's just an OS...
> > >
> > > (oh, and just because you were once upon a time (gee, but not anymore,
> > > wonder why they don't want you anymore?) one of how many thousands of
> random
> > > gm employees doesn't mean you speak for GM nor does your word carry GMs
> > > weight behind it.)
> >
> > a. I've been there, you haven't.
>
> I've been to the Ford headquarters in Dearborn, even toured the garden
> upstairs.
Which means... you know absolutely NOTHING compared to someone
who actually worked there.
>
> > b. I continue to communicate with others within the company, including
> > at corporate headquarters in downtown Detroit.
>
> and I still get recall notices on my Thunderbird... so?
GM never sold a Thunderbird, you moron.
And Ford doesn't have any headquarters in downtown Detroit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:46:07 -0400
John Jensen wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> : John Jensen wrote:
> : > As I explained in these groups a couple years ago, it is less the
> : > resources than the design orientation. The Original Mac was very tight on
> : > memory. If they had given up a few K for a simple PMT system, they would
> : > have had the orientation from the start. For whatever reasons (perhaps
> : > valid) they felt that other features needed to be there first.
>
> : I implemented PMT on a 6809 system using a only a few hundred bytes of
> : overhead, plus a set aside for stack-space for MAX_PROC-1 processes.
>
> Cool. I wish I'd gotten off my butt and written one for my Z80 system
> (actually it would have rocked on the Expon QX-10).
Hmmmmmmm, trying to implement PMT on an 8080 / 8085 / Z80 chip is
MUCH more difficult than 6809.
6809 has a better set of addressing modes... very similar to
the PDP-11.
>
> We probably shouldn't waste too much time redesigning the 1984 Mac, but I
> would want to add semaphores and one method of interprocess communication.
>
> IIRC, the orignial Mac (single tasking, 128K total memory) had 84K left
> for application code/heap/stack.
Not bad, really
>
> John
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advocacy and Programmers...
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:47:31 -0400
Davorin Mestric wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have followed this ng for a while now. One very interesting fact I
> > picked up is the huge anti RAD (Rappid Application Development) fealing
> > of the Linux Programmers.
>
> that's because they don't have them. it is the same when you hate those
> people in expensive cars.
I don't hate people in expensive cars! I just think they are stupid. Why
pay a lot of money for something that is unnecessary. Don't get me
wrong, I can afford it, but I can't justify it in my view of life.
I think the same go things like VB. VB, Delphi, et al are OK for little
programs which require very little skill. As such, that is a great
application for them. IMHO RAD tools are for those people who don't like
to develop software. They are for people that take no joy in the process
of making cool things.
personally, like the car metaphor, I took a 1987 Pontiac Firebird, and
built a new engine from the ground up. Swapped out the engine and the
car is stupidly fast. When it comes to software, I'm the same way. I
hate "run of the mill." I prefer not to work on projects that are based
on things like VB or Delphi. I like coding where bits count, and cpu
cycles are important.
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Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
Nepotism proves the foolishness of at least two people.
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