Linux-Advocacy Digest #814, Volume #27           Thu, 20 Jul 00 14:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? ("Stuart Fox")
  Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roberto Alsina)
  Re: Just exactly what IS Linux, anyway?
  If Microsoft starts renting apts (was: If Microsoft starts renting apps) ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: M$: Real Capitalists?
  Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
  Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
  Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
  Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")

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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:29:28 +0100


"Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Stuart Fox wrote:
> >
> > "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8l6a6j$goa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Did you not hear of the first large ship the US Navy ran on NT?  There
> > were
> > > several hundred NT machines running everything on board, all networked
> > > together.  Shortly after leaving harbour, the network crashed and
brought
> > > every single computer on board to a standstill.  The ship was dead in
the
> > > water for over two hours before they got essential services back
online.
> > And
> > > the cause?  It was traced back to someone entering a "0" in the wrong
> > place
> > > in a PC in the stores - the resulting "divide by zero" error killed
the
> > > ship.
> >
> > So do explain to us all how a poor app is NT's fault?
>
> Do you really think that a divide by zero error should bring down an
> entire network?  I don't see how that is feasible (and if it wasn't for
> this previous story, which I heard much about wouldn't even know it is
> possible).  Do you really think that is just one application error?  And
> if it is, shouldn't the OS have a little better protection?

No I don't, and there was no reference to "bringing down the entire
network".  From what I can see, the app that was the crucial piece of this
was basically shit and failed - if the app doesn't work there's nothing the
OS can do about it, NT, Solaris, Linux etc.  What I think is that the app
should have had better protection and perhaps have been written right.
There wasn't even any reference to the OS failing at all - that was
inferred.
In this case, it wouldn't have mattered what the OS was, there would have
still been a failure - because the controlling app failed.




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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:56:16 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=) wrote:
> Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Steve Hix escribió:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gary Hallock
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You have made a very basic blunder in logic.  You assume that
since
> > > > the Mac did ok in the market and the Mac uses  CMT that CMT must
be
> > > > good.   That is not a logical conclusion.
> > >
> > > At worst, it says that CMT as implemented in MacOS is adequate for
> > > most users most of the time.
> >
> > Actually, it says that CMT as implemented in MacOS is adequate for
most
> > Mac users most of the time.
>
> 14% of iMac buyers switched from PC. Unless they used Win 3.1 or
older,
> they swirched from PMT to CMT. That's from 3.7 million units sold.
> That's half a million people who switched from PMT to CMT just for the
> pretty case (or the ease of use). Can't be that important to them.

14% of iMac users are what percentage of PC users? 0.5%?
In that case, you could confidently say that for .5% of PC users
PMT is less important than ease of use and pretty cases combined.

--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)


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Before you buy.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Just exactly what IS Linux, anyway?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:11:53 GMT

On 20 Jul 2000 02:42:38 -0500, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:52:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On 5 Jul 2000 13:31:31 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>I have been concerned lately about certain attitudes in this newsgroup.
>>>
>>>Why? We don't all have to agree.
>>>
>>>>It seems that certain Linux "zealots," when confronted with the issue of a
>>>>useability issue with KDE, Gnome, or whatever, argue that these components
>>
>>      The "usability issue" with GNOME and KDE are pretty much manufactured.
>>      Most of the percieved problems with either have more to do with them
>>      not being exact clones of the current Microsoft interface more than
>>      any particular failing of either desktop.
>>
>>[deletia]
>>
>>      AS far as neither being required to have a functioning drag & drop
>>      graphical desktop: that allows more end user freedom to determine 
>>      for themselves what sort of desktop interface would be most suitable 
>>      and it also allows genuine competition between diverse approaches to 
>>      the same problem.
>
>
>Freedom...you meen moar work!
 
        On a daily basis, my system is most certainly LESS work than
        yours being tuned specifically to my tastes and being rather
        automated with respect to some of it's frills.

-- 
        Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.

        That is the whole damn point of capitalism.   
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
soc.singles,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: If Microsoft starts renting apts (was: If Microsoft starts renting apps)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:08:16 -0400


All of this discussion about Microsoft renting apps with .NET
got me to thinking...what are we facing if, in fact, Microsoft
does start renting apts???

                Microsoft Apts 2000     

WINDOW

No apartment may ever have more than one window.  Residents might
forget which window they were looking out of and get confused.

The window will be open, all the time, even in the dead of winter,
because marketing discovered that most people want the window open.

APARTMENT SNAPSHOT TRANSMISSIONS

When you arrive home each day, a security camera will photograph you,
and send a picture to Microfoft Headquarters. It's for your own good.

LOOK AND FEEL OF YOUR APARTMENT

Residents are not be allowed to change the curtains, nor hang blinds
in the window. Microsoft has already provided the most popular
window.  Shut up and be thankful you have a window.

THE BLUE LIGHT OF DEATH

Some times, you may find all of your normal lights have shut off
and your entire apartment is suddenly filled with a blue light,
with a strange message is written on the wall, like "Illegal Fork
in Virtual Device 0x0BEDB00F."  This indicates that a rodent or
ghost in your system has died...or maybe not...actually, we don't
know.  Don't bother to call the manager, he won't know why, either.
Simply leave your apartment, come back in, and usually, the lights
will come back on.  If the lights don't go back on, you can always
try having replacement furniture delivered, as that seems to help.

Nobody knows why this shit happens, but you should consider normal.
[Why??? Because if we've kept your head filled with low expectations
for this long...why should anything change now?]

APARTMENT FORMAT SERVICE

If your lights STILL do not come back on, management provides a
Format service.  When a resident requests Format C:, a man with
a flame thrower will come to your apartment, and incinerate the
entire contents.  After the flames die out, you can begin reinstalling
your apartment, You can install new copies of your old furniture, and
everything will be just like before, only better, because that arm
off the old couch--you remember the one that your nephew accidentally
removed...it will be back when you re-install your couch.  Not only
that,
but all of those old photo albums and billing records and stuff...you
really don't need all of that old clutter around, anyway.


Also, it is improper to put anything away in the usual fashion.
For example, if you get a suit back from the cleaners, just wad
it all up in a ball, and throw it into he middle of the room.
The jacket, might, for example, end up on a chair, and the vest,
hangingon your sink faucet and your pants in the dishwasher. If you
have a game...NO PROBLEM...just throw the box up in the air, and
the board, and all the cars and pieces will land SOMEPLACE.  The
point is...you don't have to worry about that right now!

When your apartment gets too cluttered, simply call management to
come defragment your room.  Be careful not to move anything while
management is defragmenting your room, or they will have to start
the entire process all over again.  We advise going shopping for
more furniture for your apartment.


PARTITIONING YOUR APARTMENT

Although it is possible to "partition" your apartment, by reducing
the size of the C: room to make rooms D:, E:, F:, etc... Microsoft
advises against it.  Why do you need unnecessary walls in your
apartment?  Microsoft advises having everything in one big room
Everything....the kitchen sink, the refrigerator, your bed,
your medicine cabinet, even your toilet.  One big room, with
one window and your Microsoft curtains.  That's all you need!

TRASH

Also, every Microsoft apartment has an expandable dumpster.
When you put some object, like, the toaster your little brother
broke and you had to re-install.... the OLD, broken toaster can
be conveniently stored in the dumpster in case you want to get
it back again.  As time goes on, you might notice that your
apartment is getting smaller and smaller.  Actually, that' not
the case...when you put something into the Microsoft dumpster,
it actually stays in your apartment, and so, with time, your
trash can keeps getting bigger and bigger, filling up a larger and
larger portion of your apartment.  So, if you ever want that stupid
old broken toaster again....even months later....just look in
your dumpster, it's still there, right inside your apartment.

ELECTRICITY

All electrical outlets conform to the Microsoft Plug-1 API.  The Plug-1
API uses only ONE terminal; the other electrical contact is a ground
strap which you attach to the metal floor with screws.  In a few years,
the Plug-4 specification will be released.  Plug-4 sockets will be
fully backwards compatible with Plug-1 appliances, but slight
increases in blown fuses will be a risk.

AIRWAYS EXPLORER

The 60Hz wave will be processed by Microsoft Power electrical
converters.  Power(tm) converters will make sure that critical
harmonic frequency components (120Hz, 180Hz, 240Hz, etc.) will
be boosted to proper levels all the way into the Megaherts range.
Any interference with the resident's personal radio or tv set
purely incidental, and is not evident of any malicious intent
against residents who insist upon not using our fully integrated
Microsoft Airways Explorer 5.0.

STRUCTURAL INSTABILITY

Of course, it goes without saying that like all residences Microsoft
Apartments 2000 are built in an earthquake zone which lies on a flood
plain in the middle of a tornado alley along the path of Atlantic
Hurricanes.  That's just a fact of life of having a building to live
in.  Just remember, Microsoft Apartments 2000 are 50 times more stable
than Microsoft Apartments 98.  Our current estimated uptime for a
Microsoft Apartment is 90 days between structural collapses.
Don't worry though, Microsoft Deckscan will search through the
ruble of your apartment and reposition most things for you.
All broken objects, or those which have fallen out of various
drawers will be neatly lined up by the front door, and placed in
gift-wrapped boxes with tags reading "Object001._DD" "Object002._DD"
and so on.  That way, even if an important screw from your somewhere
inside your dishwasher falls out, you know EXACTLY where it is...
right next to your front door.

SCRIPTING


The use of scripting, such as user-programmable microwave ovens is
strongly discouraged.  However, for a mere $300, you can buy a
microwave that cooks chicken, and for another $200, you can buy a
another microwave that thaws meat properly.  If you want a microwave
with a temperature probe, THAT will cost you $700...but it won't be
able to cook chicken nor thaw meat properly.


RENTER MAINTENANCE

Even though Microsoft Apartments are completely intuitive, and
don't need any maintenance, some users like to purchase Norton
Janitors, or Norton Janitorworks 2000. NJW has neat things, like
a Norton Doctor, which tells you how much space you've used in
your apartment, and what day it is, and how cluttered and 
disorganized you are.

APARTMENT MAIL SERVICES

Recently, Microsoft has invented a new communications technique
called "mail"  Microsoft MAIL allows you to send and recieve objects
to/from other apartments.  Allegations that Microsoft purposely
installs in our Apartments(TM) substandard sheetrock that harbors
and sustains viruses found in mail--usually originating from
pakistan and isreal, is, in fact, a blatant falsehood.  Microsoft
Apartments are completely protected ag ...ahg...ahg...ahchoo!


POWER RENTERS

You will see many owners of Microsoft Automobile.  This family of
products is easily identified by the use of Polygon Technology.
Microsoft Wheel 2.0 has 8 sides and 8 corner, and Microsft Wheel97
has 20 sides and 20 corners.

Microsoft has discovered that increasing the number of sides and
corners of a Wheel increases its stability and reduces the likelihood
of control-difficulties that lead to crashes.



                        Microsoft WheelsPT*
                   Rolling Resistance (Ergs/Meter)

        | #
        | #
        | # 
        |  |
        |  |
        |  |
        |  |
        |  |
        |   |
        |   |
        |   | 
        |   |
        |    \
        |    |
        |    \
        |     |
        |      \
        |       \_
        |         \___
        |             \______
        |                    \_________
        |                              \_______________
        |                                              \_____________
        |   
        +--+----+-+----------+---------+---------+---------+--------+
        0  3    8 10         20        30        40        50       60
           A    B            C                                      D 
                                  Polygonality.
                                (Sides + Corners) / 2

As can be seen in in the graph above, wheels using large numbers
of both sides and corners are the most efficient.

Microsoft Wheel 1.0 (B) used an 8-sided polygon, as this is the
break-even point and further investment in more sides could not be
justified on cars and trucks with limited resources typical of that
time.  By increasing the number of sides and corners to 20 each in
Microsoft Wheel 2.0 (C)  rolling resistance has been cut in half.
Microsoft Wheel2001 (D) will feature 60-sided wheels, for a further
reductions in road noise, vehicle vibration and both driver and
vehicle metal fatigue.

Other auto-part suppliers may tell you that a tire only needs one side,
and zero corners.  Such tires, however, are very cheaply made, AND
very costly to use.  Viewing the graph above, one can see that the
rolling resistance approaches the Y-axis asymptotically, which means
that 1-side + 0-corner lie at the extreme left end of the graph.
(1 + 0)/2 = 1/2.  Our research show that below a polygonality value
of 7, rolling resistance rises sharply.  Other manufacturers'
wheels have a polygonality of ONLY ONE-HALF(!!!!) and thus, have
tremendously high rolling resistance.


Additionally, circular tires give drivers less control.  With
Microsoft WheelsPT, the full flat side of a Wheel(tm) makes contact
with the road surface as it bumps down the highway, giving the
driver very high traction.  In contrast, round tires give road
contact on only an extremely small part of the tire.

Also even parked cars with circular tires are dangerous!  Other
manufacturer's automobiles which don't use "Polygon Technology"
require the use of an additional, difficult to use gadget called
"brakes."  Microsoft feels that the use of circular wheels is
extremely dangerous, because if the user forgets to use the brake
after parking, the damn thing might roll away!

To protect all Microsoft Apartment 2000 residents, Microsoft prevent
the use of these dangerous automobiles NOT equiped with safe Microsoft 
Wheels(tm) by Microsoft Apartment residents or their guests and their
visitors, All parking spaces have 3-foot tall steel pillar in the
middle of the parking space.  Non-conforming automobiles will not be
able to park;  but Microsoft Automobiles have a special channel
allowing your car to be safely parked in the parking space.
Improperly parked cars will be towed and crushed.

FRUIT TREES

Microsoft Apartments all feature Microsoft FRUIT trees.  Microsoft has
conducted extensive research into this subject, and determined that
everyone prefers fruit based on Delicious technology.  Anybody spreading
unfounded accusations that Microsoft Delicious is a poor implementation
of the Macintosh technology can hash it out with our lawyers in
Microsoft COURT(TM).



  _
 / \
|   |
 \_X  Someone told me about HOUSES--isn't that a better deal?

  ^
 /_\
/   \ Rumors that some Linus guy and his friends are practically
giving away land, upon which you can build your own house are to be
taken with a bag of salt.  Besides, houses are old technology.
Sure, you can have multiple people in your house at the same time,
and the toilet and cooking areas are in seperate rooms, and there
are usually individual bedrooms for keeping your own stuff while
still sharing the house with other people in your family, and a
nice big yard that's all your own, and a basement to store stuff,
and everyone can share the stereo but...who needs all that
oldfashioned stuff when you can have Microsoft APARTMENT with the
Microsoft WINDOW! If you buy a house, then you have to plant your
own trees.  Do you know how expensive it is to hire someone to plant
an acorn!?!?  Not only that, but in a house, there is no gardner to
mow your lawn at 3:00 in the morning, providing you with a nicely
fresh-cut lawn when you wake up, either that, or you must hire a
gardner yourself, and have fun trying to find one who is willing
to come cut your lawn at 3:00 AM!  At Microsoft, we've solved that
problem for you, so you can a good night's sleep, every night.

  _
 / \
|   |
 \_X  Doesn't that HOUSE system have less bugs?

  ^
 /_\
/   \  Rumors of bugs in Microsoft Apartment 2000 are
       [STOMP!] highly exagerated.


                                Microsoft
                   Where do you want us to go today?



-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: M$: Real Capitalists?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:15:22 GMT

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:04:34 GMT, Jack Mehoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Microsoft is a textbook example of capitalism.  Create a product that
>is adopted by millions of people.  Create enormous wealth for the
>company, thus putting tens of thousands of people on the payroll.
>Create 3 billionaires and thousands of millionaires including many
>women and minorities before getting sued by the government.  Several
>of these newly financially independent people leave the company to
>start their own businesses and employee more people.  I can't think of
>a single government program with that kind of success.

        Eniac and the Internet would be a couple of good ones.

[deletia]

-- 
        Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.

        That is the whole damn point of capitalism.   
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:11:37 -0400



Adam Warner wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Paul Thurrott's WinInfo has this report on Microsoft sales:
> http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=2832
> 
> And it contains this paragraph:
> "And the U.S. Navy announced that its next generation aircraft carriers, the
> CVN-77, will use Windows 2000 for its mission-critical Integrated Warfare
> System."
> 
> Frankly I'm dumbfounded.
> 

I seriously doubt this.  The US MILITARY was the main force behind
development of UNIX into what it is today.

Example: Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems are built around
        Sun workstations.

Unix has been on carriers for years, back to the command line only days.




> Now I don't believe Linux is ready be used in such situations either. But to
> trust such an important function to a closed source and potentially not 100%
> reliable operating system seems remarkable (do BSOD ever occur on HCL
> hardware?). Also, I thought Windows 2000 only runs on Intel hardware (and
> aren't there potentially more reliable hardware solutions?)
> 
> I would have thought that the US Navy would at least use an open
> source/viewable source operating system that they could analyse for suspect
> code, stability and potential security vulnerabilities.

Correct.

> 
> It's not like every Joe Bloggs needs to be able to run a copy of an
> Integrated Warfare System on their home computer.
> 
> Regards,
> Adam Warner
> 
> PS: Maybe I'm paranoid but I'd also be very unhappy to see Windows 2000
> running on civilian airlines.

So would most airlines.

Can you say LIABILITY!?!?!?!?


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:18:35 GMT

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:37:40 GMT, Passenger Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Larry Smith" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Neither is the use of elite Federal swat teams against citizens.
>
>Well, who would we use them on then?  Little Cuban refugees?
>
>Oh, wait.
>
>Dammit.

        If you want to be really pedantic, yes.


-- 
        Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.

        That is the whole damn point of capitalism.   
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:19:32 GMT

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:46:06 +1000, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:18:00 +1000, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >> OTOH, they were quite willing and capable to alter any other aspect of
>> >> the product for you. Yet the system software remained oddly fixed.
>> >
>> >No, they weren't.  They would alter "any other aspect" *within their
>tested
>> >configurations*.  IOW, you couldn't get them to install and support some
>>
>> ...and just what's so untested about configuration that
>> is merely missing one of the components?
>
>So you think if I take a seatbelt out of a car its going to be anywhere near
>as safe ?

        As far as the machine itself is concerned: YES.

-- 
        Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.

        That is the whole damn point of capitalism.   
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:22:50 GMT

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:43:37 GMT, Paul E. Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () 
>wrote:
>>On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:34:59 GMT, Paul E. Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>And now we have the qualifiers! 
>>
>>        ...someone you can expect most consumers to buy from.
>>
>>        This rules out most mail order, fly-by-night cottage computer
>>        stores and flea markets.
>>
>
>Unbelievable! 

        It certainly is.

        You seriously expect people to hand over twice as much
        money as they might pay for a high end major appliance 
        to someone with ZERO trustworthiness.

        How many $500-$3000 applicances do you see getting sold
        essentially out of the back of a truck?

-- 
        Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.

        That is the whole damn point of capitalism.   
                                                                |||
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:18:57 -0400



Tim Kelley wrote:
> 
> Adam Warner wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Paul Thurrott's WinInfo has this report on Microsoft sales:
> > http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=2832
> >
> > And it contains this paragraph:
> > "And the U.S. Navy announced that its next generation aircraft carriers, the
> > CVN-77, will use Windows 2000 for its mission-critical Integrated Warfare
> > System."
> >
> > Frankly I'm dumbfounded.
> 
> Well I don't particularly like the government or the military so
> I don't care.  Actually it's pretty funny.

Get back to us the next time there's a national emergency in your
area, and you want people who are willing to ignore the danger to
rescue your sorry ass.

You are a pitiful excuse for a man.



> 
> Maybe we will be able to overthrow the government one day after
> all :-)
> 
> --
> Tim Kelley
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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