Linux-Advocacy Digest #814, Volume #31 Mon, 29 Jan 01 05:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Sound a networks (Pete Goodwin)
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: you guys suck and so does your os! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! ("Adam Warner")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:06:10 -0500
Charles Lyttle wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "CR Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "CR Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "CR Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > This is too funny! MS has outsourced its DNS to a company servers
> > are
> > > > > > > using a "networking implementation very similar to that of Linux."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is even worse for them than the original event. They now have
> > to
> > > > > > > admit they can't run a big network and switch to people running
> > Linux!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MS outsourced part of it's DNS to provide geographical seperation of
> > > > it's
> > > > > > DNS servers. It hardly matters what servers the outsourcing firm
> > uses,
> > > > so
> > > > > > long as they can provide the service. MS has done similar things
> > > > before,
> > > > > > for instance it's MSN user homepages are outsourced to a company
> > running
> > > > > > FreeBSD or Linux IIRC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Outsourcing is not a sign of "Our products can't handle this" but
> > rather
> > > > "We
> > > > > > can't do everything in one location, and we don't have any other
> > > > datacenters
> > > > > > in other parts of the country".
> > > >
> > > > <space inserted since you can't seem to be bothered with proper
> > formatting>
> > > >
> > > > > Yeah, right. Like MS only owns one building and that building has only
> > > > > one free room. Perhaps they only have one phone line too. So, I'm
> > > > > suppose to trust my business to a company too cheap to rent a closet
> > in
> > > > > New York or Florida?
> > > >
> > > > More than 95% of MS technical buildings are all in the Seattle area.
> > > >
> > > > Have you any idea how long it takes to get a new T3 or OC connection
> > > > installed? Call up your local phone company and ask. Typically it
> > takes
> > > > 3-6 months, if you're VERY lucky. This is not something MS could have
> > had
> > > > done in 3 or 4 days, no matter how much money they threw at it. The
> > Akamai
> > > > servers are extra redunancy, that's it.
> > >
> > > So are you saying MS hasn't been doing Internet for more than 3 months
> > > or that Bell South couldn't get a T3 connection done in the last 10
> > > years? Or is it that buildings are sooooo expensive in Mississippi that
> > > MS couldn't afford to buy one?
> >
> > I'm saying that MS decided in the last few days to create geographical
> > seperation of their DNS servers. This is not something you can do
> > overnight, since it requires months of planning, construction of new lines,
> > etc... It's far easier to just outsource it to a third party that's already
> > providing the services.
> OK. You admit MS was stupid and only discovered how the internet works
> in the last few days.
> When we started designing ARPA and MIL nets back in the 60s we knew
> better than to put all our servers in one building (prefereably not even
> on one landmass). So why did it take MS something like 35 years to
> discover that little fact?
Because if it wasn't for the GENIUS OF BILL GATES, it would have
taken normal, mere mortals 135 years.
> --
> Russ Lyttle
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:58:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Amazing how my
> system works much better then Windows ever did (Win98 & WinNT)on it.
My system works better with Windows than Linux.
> In fact, my system works
> perfectly with the Netgear and Dlink Network Cards, and the Soundblaster
> Live Card that these
> 'Wintrolls' can't 'seem' to get a handle on.
Linux recognises the second net card but failed to configure it. It also
isn't aware of my USB Hub, my scanner, my web cam. Windows works will
all of these once I install the drivers. Unfortunately, there doesn't
appear to be a driver for my USB hub.
> Even better is that I
> added at Christmas time an ATI
> Rage Fury Pro Card on my main Linux system after testing it on a Windows
> 2K system just to
> see what to expect. I'm still amazed at how much better the
> acceleration is on Linux for this
> card then it is for the Win2K box.
I had to wait for XFree86 to get support for my Voodoo 5500 card. Your
ATI Rage Pro is getting a bit long in the tooth, isn't it?
> So, with all due respect, the difference between a box designed for
> Windows, and a box designed for
> Linux, in terms of Linux supporting the Hardware, has gotten very small.
Yep, it's getting there, but not there yet.
--
---
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:00:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got a server room full of Linux boxes
> that have been up hundreds of days, some
> more than a year. I don't consider this in any
> way remarkable, just the way it ought to be.
>
> If Linux were anything like the bizzare caricatures
> painted by these bozos, none of us would have
> ever heard of Linux, let alone be using it.
And I take it that, since these are servers, they don't run any kind of
Desktop?
Do any run X + KDE 2.0? If they do, tell me, how buggy this set up is?
--
---
Pete
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:07:09 -0500
Charles Lyttle wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "CR Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I want to know why it wasn't noticed immediately and why it took 24
> > > hours to fix. MS claims reinstalling the OS is easy, so why, once it was
> > > discovered did it take more than 10-15 minutes to install the old
> > > configuration from backup? Perhaps they don't do backups?
> >
> > Given that it was a *ROUTER* configuration issue, not a Win2k configuration
> > issue, your comment is quite stupid.
> >
> > The problem with DNS is that it takes a good deal of time for DNS caches to
> > expire, so the problem doesn't become apparent immediately. A day later
> > when the caches start expiring, it's not so easy to connect the two
> > incidents, since you might have made changes to 100 different things in the
> > last day, and given the size of MS, they probably do that every day.
> My router wasn't the one down for 24 hours, so I guess I'm not the
> stupid one.
> It was their router. Didn't they keep a back up of the old
> configuration? I keep a backup of my configuration. I can rebuild an
> exact image of a 16 gig hard drive in about 1 hour and my stuff is
> considered obsolete. Why did it take MS over 24 hours to fix their
> system? Aren't they smart enough to save the old configuration before
> trying a new one?
Um...you do realize that we're talking about MCSE's here, *NOT*
trained, qualified personnel.
>
> --
> Russ Lyttle
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:08:03 -0500
Charles Lyttle wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > CR Lyttle wrote:
> > >
> > > Les Mikesell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:RLKc6.86$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > "CR Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > This is too funny! MS has outsourced its DNS to a company servers are
> > > > > > using a "networking implementation very similar to that of Linux."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is even worse for them than the original event. They now have to
> > > > > > admit they can't run a big network and switch to people running Linux!
> > > > >
> > > > > MS outsourced part of it's DNS to provide geographical seperation of it's
> > > > > DNS servers. It hardly matters what servers the outsourcing firm uses, so
> > > > > long as they can provide the service. MS has done similar things before,
> > > > > for instance it's MSN user homepages are outsourced to a company running
> > > > > FreeBSD or Linux IIRC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Outsourcing is not a sign of "Our products can't handle this" but rather
> > > > "We
> > > > > can't do everything in one location, and we don't have any other
> > > > datacenters
> > > > > in other parts of the country".
> > > >
> > > > What I'd like to know about this particular incident is how many calls
> > > > did Microsoft's customer service take about the problem, and how
> > > > did they dismiss each one for a whole day before anyone bothered
> > > > to investigate and fix the problem?
> > > >
> > > > A mistake in router configuration is easy enough to make, and probably
> > > > everyone who works with them has made a mistake or two, so I
> > > > don't think the fact that a mistake happened should be taken too
> > > > seriously (although a design that allows such a simple mistake to
> > > > take down access to a large network is certainly a bad thing).
> > > > However, this kind of mistake can be fixed in minutes once someone
> > > > realizes there is a problem. My question, and I hope some magazines
> > > > will answer this in public, is: why and how did the telephone support
> > > > people who must have been fielding thousands of calls about this
> > > > keep the fact that a problem existed away from the people who could
> > > > have fixed it? I think this foretells the future of .NET better than
> > > > anything we could have imagined, and is also the problem I have with
> > > > most commercial products. The main thing you pay for is a huge front
> > > > line of telephone support people that not only can't do anything to solve
> > > > a real problem, but consider it their job to keep the issue away from the
> > > > people who can.
> > > >
> > > > Les Mikesell
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I want to know why it wasn't noticed immediately and why it took 24
> > > hours to fix. MS claims reinstalling the OS is easy, so why, once it was
> > > discovered did it take more than 10-15 minutes to install the old
> > > configuration from backup? Perhaps they don't do backups?
> >
> > No matter WHAT explanation M$ comes up with, it shows them to be IDIOTS
> >
> What makes matters worse for them is that their explanations are all
> based on the assumption that their customers are bigger idiots than they
> are.
> Many of their customers are ignorant of computers. But ignorance is a
> curable disease. Stupidity is incurable. MS is begin stupid.
Especially when...well, the jokes in the machine rooms eventually DO
filter back to management :-)))))))))
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:09:16 -0500
Adam Warner wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> > Ok, I know it's late and my eyes are getting tired, but does anyone see
> > anything wrong with this statement from Microsoft:
> >
> > "PC users still make up less than 10% of the total world population of 500
> > million people".
> >
> > Did they just say there are only 500 million people in the world?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Or how about this:
> >
> > "Linux is simply a fad that has been generated by the media and is
> destined to
> > fall by the wayside in time. Windows 2000 will gradually overtake the
> Linux
> > share in the server market."
> >
> > Did they just admit that Linux currently has a larger share of the server
> > market that Windows 2000? After all, how can you overtake if you are
> > already ahead?
>
> Yes. Great admission, eh?
>
> I think "Linux is too expensive." is also priceless. As well as the threat
> that "Vendors who are building up their Linux business are making a serious
> mistake and need to wake up to that fact quickly." (again this is an
> admission that Linux business is building).
>
> This may be the new face of Microsoft: running scared.
Microsoft:
Where can we hide today?
>
> Regards,
> Adam
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: you guys suck and so does your os!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:10:22 -0500
Tony Neville wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Tony Neville wrote:
> >>
> >> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christian Beaumont
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > <Needless sillyness deleted>
> >> >
> >> > >By the way, the other question for you, reading my mail - do you
> >> > >think I am pro Linux or against?
> >> > >
> >> > >-chris
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Despite *THIS* newsgroup or *THESE* newsgroups, you can not deny
> >> > that Linux is growing at a rapid rate.
> >>
> >> That's no indication of one OS's popularity compared to another.
> >> A 1% increase in sales of Windows OSs may equate to, says, one
> >> million purchases, whereas a 25% increase in sales of Linux OS may
> >> equate to 500 thousand purchases. Microsoft's Windows OSs have a
> >> massive userbase already in existence, so of course its rate of
> >> growth would be lower. If Mr Bloggs created an OS and gave a copy
> >> to a friend who installed it on his pc, its rate of growth would be
> >> 100%. Would you then say Bloggs' OS is becoming more popular than
> >> either Linux or Windows? Naaaaahhhhoooo....
>
> > If I told you that you had a termite infestation, and that the size
> > of a termite colony grows at 25% /month, would you say, "oh, it's
> > only a *small* termite colony" and forget about it?
>
> No, because it's a bloody termite colony! I could extend your really
> provocative yet contextless analogy to include another competing colony
> of termites the size of a house, but I strongly suspect you chose that
> one only to incite yet another bash-MS-fest.
And Linux-on-the-desktop is not a similar threat to Windows?
it's ok, Mr. Ostrich...the sand is a VERY good place for your head.
>
> Tony.
>
> http://www.zfree.co.nz
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:13:30 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Chris Clement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:CK1d6.66733$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Chris Clement wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bad goods? Exactly which products produced by Microsoft are bad?
> And
> > which
> > > > products are superior? Linux is great as a server, but for the
> > consumer,
> > > > forget it. Linux is light-years from being a consumer product.
> > >
> > > Light years? sorry, but you protest too much.
> > >
> > > Linux fits the bill right now for 95% of what users need.
> >
> >
> > Not it certainly does not. Can I install Quicken, Starcraft, and other
> > popular software? Not without tweaking Wine. Not something 95% of
> > consumers want to deal with.
>
> Wine, while being quite cool from a programmer's perspective, isn't a good
> solution. If you find that you absolutely HAVE to have Windows software and
> Linux at the same time, try VMWare. It works beautifully! (The downside
> being that you need a pretty powerful machine to utilize it properly)
>
Just an extra chunk of mainboard memory...no biggie.
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Sunbelt Software Solutions
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:53:34 +1200
Hi Salvador,
> This was my favorite quote:
>
> "Linux is simply a fad that has been generated by the media"
>
> Oh, that's what is sitting on my desktop. Thanks.
Yeah, really disingenuous. I suppose it doesn't matter to Microsoft that
.NET is presently unreleased: at most it is a strategy, not a product.
Here's a recent commentary on .NET by probably the most respected Windows
journalist (and supporter) on the Internet:
http://www.win2000mag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=16127
"The goal of .NET is to transition Microsoft-and the rest of the industry-to
a new model for software development, software deployment, and revenue
growth."
We wouldn't want Microsoft's plan to create even more revenue to turn out to
be simply a fad that has been generated by the Microsoft media, would we?
Regards,
Adam
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