Linux-Advocacy Digest #814, Volume #30 Mon, 11 Dec 00 19:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is awful ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Steve Mading)
Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action (mlw)
Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Linuxgruven.com = BAD NEWS (Jason Portell)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Steve Mading)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is awful (Jerry Peters)
Re: Linux is awful (Jerry Peters)
Re: Linux is awful (Jerry Peters)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Steve Mading)
Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action (David Steinberg)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:59:41 +0200
"JM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:53:32 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >IE updates to Win2k is severly limited.
> >It can't replace system files, so it end up with only updating the
browser.
>
> Any reason for so many posts?
Non whatsoever, I goofed, sorry.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 11 Dec 2000 23:00:35 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Steve Mading writes:
:> It's all so relative as to be useless.
: Then why does the word exist?
For the same reason lots of other totally relative terms with no
concrete meaning exist - we are emotional creatures, and have lots
of vague words that have no place in a logical discussion. Words
like "good", or "bad", or "nice", or "happy", and "intuitive". They
are too vague to be useful in a concrete logical sense. They only
work when you don't try to have an argument using them. Once you do,
they become useless in that context. Arguing about whether or not
something is intuitive is about as useful as arguing whether or not
someone is "nice".
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:11:07 -0500
Keith Peterson wrote:
>
> I've seen so many pointless alterations of "Microsoft" and "Windows" in the
> past that I can't remember them all. Micros~1, Microshaft, Microslut,
> Micro$oft, Windoze, Losedows, etc..
>
> Why do people think this is useful, or that it conveys anything but immaturity
> on the part of the poster? What is the point?
TRUTH.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:15:32 -0500
Keith Peterson wrote:
> ><FORTUNE COOKIE>
> >Even the biggest fool can have something useful to say. The problem for
> >the reader is to understand what is being communicated, disregard it if
> >it is foolish, but not be distracted by ones own sensibilities.
> ></FORTUNE COOKIE>
> >
>
> Another habit I find kind of silly is people adding fake html tags to their
> posts - but that's another story. :)
It is only when we doubt the persons likely to read the post will
comprehend the subtlety with which something was written. ;-)
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:19:15 -0500
Keith Peterson wrote:
>
> I've seen so many pointless alterations of "Microsoft" and "Windows" in the
> past that I can't remember them all. Micros~1, Microshaft, Microslut,
> Micro$oft, Windoze, Losedows, etc..
I write "Lose" in place of "Win" in any Microsoft product name, because,
contrary to what Microsoft is trying to infer through the use of names
like Win95, Win98, Win2k, WinModem, WinPrinter....in actuality, all
of these products actually are "winning" propositions *ONLY* for
Microsoft....for everybody else, they are LOSing propositions....
especially the end-users.
I also refer to NT by what it really is, not 'New Technology' (because
all of the 'high tech' aspects of NT are actually DECADES old)....but
"NEUTERED TECHNOLOGY" because these very same features are usually
so poorly implemented that, in many respects, systems from the
1970's implemented these same concepts FAR better.
Thus...it is *TRULY* neutered technology.
>
> Why do people think this is useful, or that it conveys anything but immaturity
> on the part of the poster? What is the point?
>
> Just saw one guy refer to something called "Mickeyshaft".
Mickey-mouse programmers, giving customers the shaft.
>
> Using misspellings such as those listed does nothing but make you look like a
> 12-year-old techno-weenie who attaches more importance to being anti-something
> than pro-something. If your hatred of an OS is so strong that you feel the
> need to name-call it routinely, you should reevaluate your life and maybe try
> to find some meaning beyond your CRT.
>
> It's sad, really. I understand discussing the pro's and con's of OS's, but
> this mindless, consistent, and pointless bashing of a product line by
> name-calling helps nobody.
>
> You don't look knowledgeable - just uncertain and geeky.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Jason Portell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linuxgruven.com = BAD NEWS
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:12:52 GMT
Hello gang,
there is a company on the fringes of the Linux community that you all
should be VERY aware of. The name is linuxgruven.com . The company is
extremely unethical and should be rejected in the Linux community. If
you would like more information please email and I will be happy to
provide more information.
Thanks,
the chordringer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Beware for whom the bell tolls"
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 11 Dec 2000 23:17:38 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Les Mikesell writes:
:>>> No, you should understand the pattern so you know how to
:>>> represent your intentions, assuming you are past kindergarten
:>>> and already know the shapes of the letters.
:>> Understanding patterns won't do any good if you don't know how
:>> to create new text (i and Esc) and save it (ZZ).
:> On the contrary, vi is extremely useful as a document viewer, and
:> those commands are not necessary for that function.
: more is extremely useful as a document viewer. If all you want to
: do is view the document, you don't need to move the cursor around
: with hjkl.
That's hilarious - yo do realize that more uses hjkl too, right?
Sure, you can go down a line with 'return', but that's the same
as in 'vi'.
: There is no need to move a cursor around in an unmodified document.
Not true. What if you want to look for something ("Please find the
word "goose" in this document")? The cursor can show you where the
match was. Do that in traditional 'more' and you still have to scan
the page with your eyes once it comes up.
:>>> d/foo<enter> = delete until the pattern "foo"
:>> As opposed to "delete the pattern 'foo'".
:> Yes, /foo positions you to the beginning, not the end of the
:> matched pattern.
: My point is that its action isn't intuitive.
To whom? You can't use that word without a lot of qualifiers.
Weren't you the one arguing with Aaron that it is not meant to
be used as an absolute term? Practice what you preach.
To a certain set of people, d/foo is highly intuitive - the set
of people who already know the following things about vi:
d {some mover command} means delete a range of characters from
the current cursor spot up to, but not including the point
the mover command moves to.
/foo is a mover command that moves to the start of the next foo.
Knowing that, the behaviour of d/foo is completely intuitive.
:>>> d$ = delete to end of line
:>> As opposed to delete to the end of the file.
:> $ always means end of line to commands that work on
:> characters.
: One could argue that :1,$s/q/z/ works on characters, yet the $
: means end of file.
If you stick '$' in where a character or character mover could go -
it means eoln, if you stick it where a line number could go - it
means last line. It's 100% consistent. In the statement
:1,$...something... the '$' is being used in the place of a line
number.
:>>> 4dj = delete current and 4 lines going down
:>> Assuming you remember which letter is for up and down.
:> Which you don't have to consider a special case.
: Is 4dk a special case?
It fits the generic pattern: {number}{command}{movement}
:> Carriage-returns are control-M characters
: So one might expect to enter a control-M into the document by typing
: control-M. Doesn't work. Oh, so you need a prefix. Now, what is so
: intuitive about control-V as the prefix? A UNIX novice might expect
: the backslash to be used as the prefix.
Ctrl-V is common in many other unix interactive tools. I use it at
the shell all the time. It's mnemonic is "verbatim", as in, "Do this
next character verbatim, ignoring any special meaning it may have."
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:24:59 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > >>
> > >> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >> Actually, the REAL problem is that the ECO-NUTS in California shut
> > >> >> down practically every fission power project that came down the pike
> > >> >> in the 1970's.
> > >>
> > >> Blame the correct cause. Every project under design or planning being canceled
> > >> by the utilities after Three-Mile Island.
> > >>
> >
> > >So...big fucking deal.
> >
> > >Three Mile Island was a text-book example of a nuclear power plant shutting
> > >down EXACTLY AS DESIGNED.
> >
> > You're clueless here. It did not shutdown as designed, that's why
> > there was a partial meltdown.
>
> ... which contaminateded nothing and nobody.
>
> One of it's many *safety features* worked as planned.
>
> > >Anybody who interprets TMI as a failure in nuclear engineering
> > >has their head deeeeeeeeeply inside their rectum.
> >
> > So according to you, all the utilities that cancelled plants didn't
> > know what they were doing. You need to learn more before you shoot
> > off. Remember the phrase "its the economy stupid." Well in this
> > case, "It was economics stupid."
>
> I used to work in a DOE nuclear facility -- the fault for the enormous
> economic barriers to nuclear energy has to go to the clueless masses
> who are afraid of "radiation" and the pseudo-journalism of mass media
> (Jane Fonda, et. all) which routinely mix up war-time nuclear physics
> with peaceful nuclear energy.
>
> There were probabaly cave-tribes of humans-gone-by that were afraid of
> fire. If they existed, they're all gone now, though...
>
> Nuclear energy is the best solution we have *right now* for ubiquitous,
> cheap electricity. There are certain regions where geo-thermal, wind,
> or tidal gerneators make sense as well; but one could argue that they
> cause more damage to the environment.
>
> The largest hypocrasy of the Green party is the electric car. Just
> imagine millions of gallons of high-capacity acidic waste (in the form
> of batteries that need to be replaced every five years), left to the
> average person to throw off the edge of the grand canyon.
Not to mention the tremendous INCREASE in total energy consumption
to power the damn thing.
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Jerry Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:25:57 GMT
In comp.os.linux.x Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jerry Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> | > Even with Win2k here, which I don't lift a finger to maintain in any
> | > active way, I experience nasty conflicts between applications and have
> | > to either not use one of them or avoid using them altogether. It's just
> | > that with Win2k, the machine invariably (always in my experience) stays
> | > up, while with Win9x, the machine often goes down.
> |
> | I agree with you on this, but the root cause is a _poor_ design of the
> | OS. Or actually, from what I know of windows, no design of the OS,
> | just add whatever to it (like ie). The fact that a critical system
> | file, like the registry, or dll's can be overwritten by installing an
> | application is just unbelievable. No wonder windows systems are so
> | fragile.
> I agree that this is a problem which affected NT as well, though bad
> registry entries are added by apps; I don't know of the registry being
> overwritten by apps. However, Win2k comes with system file protection
> that prevents apps from overwriting these dlls winny-nilly. Just the
> other day I was trying a piece of software and got the message from
> Win2k that the installation was trying to replace a system dll and that
> this would be prevented. Of course the application malfunctioned, but
> who cares ... good riddance.
IIRC OS/2 used to look for dll's in the executable's directory first,
then the LIBPATH (DLLPATH? it's been several years). This allows you
to use "special" dll's for certain apps without replacing the system
ones. I wonder why MS doesn't do this?
Jerry
---snip-----------
> --
> Curtis
>
> | ,__o
> !___ _-\_<, An egotist thinks he's in the groove
> <(*)>--(*)/'(*)______________________ when he's in a rut.
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ROT13 scrambled)
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From: Jerry Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:35:15 GMT
In comp.os.linux.x Adam Short <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From what I've read here, some people seem to be running completely
> different versions of Windows to anything I've ever come across. MY Win98SE
> does exactly what Jerry says w/r to the registry. MY Win98SE install prog
> formats the Windows partition if it finds a FAT32 partition with no
> filesystem actually written to it, regardless of what I want it to do.
Thanks for reinforcing what I said. The only reason I remember that it
merged in the .reg file is that it was not what I expected. I'm used
to windows petty nagging before it does _anything_.
> The differences between what happens on my machine and what seems to happen
> on certain other machines is rather striking. Assuming that these things are
> actually happening on other machines (and I'm not saying they're not),
> wouldn't that point to there being several different implementations of the
> same basic OS version? Perhaps there is a version out there that isn't as
> full of crap as mine. I hope not, it would make Windows that much harder to
> kill off.
Mine is OSR2, but that's due to a recent re-install. Before that is
was at SP1 with a bunch of additional fixes. The only fix I've put on
the OSR2 is DUN1.3
Jerry
> My Mandrake 7.2 system is truly beautiful now, I almost feel guilty for
> making it sit on the same hard drive as Windows.
> Adam
> Jerry Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:5hAX5.44$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.x Kelsey Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > [snips]
>>
>> > "Jerry Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:ZRdX5.4296$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> >> > No, if you double click a reg file, it tell you "Are you sure you
> want
>> > to
>> >> > add the information in <file name> to the registry?"
>> >>
>> >> No, it doesn't, it just blithely merges it into the registry.
>>
>>
>> > If it doesn't, then it's because _you_ (or whoever did your Windows
> install)
>> > *specifically* went out of their way to *make* it not ask. It can be
> done -
>> > but it's not done that way by default.
>>
>>
>> NO I DIDN'T. I don't know or care enough to know that much about
>> windows to make such a change.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>
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From: Jerry Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:38:36 GMT
In comp.os.linux.x Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Jerry Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:hIyW5.2834$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.x Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > "Jerry Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:BieW5.5326$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In comp.os.linux.x Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Then let's discuss the registry, another stinking pile of dung from
>> >> >> MS. The same information repeated multiple times under
> indecipherable
>> >> >> keys with little or no documentation. I'll take text format files
> any
>> >> >> day.
>> >>
>> >> > The registry is hard to deciphere.
>> >> > You aren't suppose to work with it directly, not unless you've a good
>> > level
>> >> > of understanding about it.
>> >>
>> >> Oh yeah, little things like software that puts run some crud at
>> >> startup in the registry that you want to get rid of.
>>
>> > msconfig.exe
>>
>> >> > As for it to be undocumented, this is *false*.
>> >> > There are *plenty* of resources to find out what each key or node or
>> > value
>> >> > does.
>> >> > Take a trip to *any* good NT/2K focused site, and you'll find plenty
> of
>> >> > tips on what the registry does, how it does it, and how to change it.
>> >>
>> >> But I shouldn't have to read anything or know anything to admin my
>> >> computer, recognize the quote? At least the old *.ini files made some
>> >> sense, the registry is just crap.
>>
>> > No, if you want to use the registry directly, you need to read.
>> > If you use the tools that the OS/Application supply, you generaly don't
> need
>> > to use the registry directly.
>>
>> Ecxept that the OS and applications have a habit of doing things that
>> I don't want, and the only way to fix them is to edit the registry.
>> The typical windows mentality, BTW, "we know what's best for you".
>>
>> My major reason for editting the registry is to remove all of the junk
>> that various apps add to startup. If they would only just add the damn
>> things to the startup folder so I could remove them.
> Why are you doing this via the registry?
> msconfig.exe, the last tab.
> You can disable/restore/delete programs that run from startup.
Perhaps because I don't have a program called msconfig.exe?
Jerry
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 11 Dec 2000 23:31:56 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Steve Mading writes:
:> But YOU were the one talking about how inconsistent the quitting
:> command "ZZ" is (eariler).
: Where did I allegedly say that? I merely said that exiting the editor
: is one of the first things you need to learn. It never ceases to amaze
: me of the difficulty some people have with reading comprehension.
I hate it when people waste my time making me look things up in
dejanews because they can't remember what they posted a few days
ago. Okay, here goes:
>From the URL:
http://x52.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=701721023&CONTEXT=976576911.1172570136&hitnum=5
] Well, it's been a while, but I suspect that the first vi commands
] I saw were i, Esc, and ZZ. That made d$ still a special case.
:> I'm saying that it doesn't have to be
:> taught that way, and in my case it wasn't.
: Were you taught the undo command before you were taught how to save
: your text and exit the editor?
:>>> ZZ was just a quick shortcut mapping to the 'real' command.
:>> Why do you suppose it was added?
:> Dunno - I don't use it or find it convienient.
: Think about it.
Okay, I did. I still don't find it convienient because it doesn't
tell me what kind of quitting it is doing. I prefer the control over
the types of quitting: :wq! vs :wq for example.
:> Whatever it was that caused the distraction (phone rings, lose
:> train of thought, brain fart, whatever) is going to be vastly
:> more of a factor.
: Irrelevant, given that I'm talking about the speed of operation
: of the editor itself, not the wall clock time getting an editing
: job done.
Bull. If you believed that, then you wouldn't have brought up
the whole point about losing track of where you were in the first
place. Clearly, you had the human-time spent in mind as the
important metric, or such an issue would never have come up.
:>>>>> It is consistent with being the end of the type of motion command
:>>>>> you gave.
:>>>> Do you consider d to be a "motion command"?
:>>> '$' is the motion command, not 'd'.
:>> But you called it "the end of the type of motion command you gave".
:> *I* didn't call it anything - pay attention to the attributions.
: Practice what you preach. There is only your attribution to pay
: attention to.
Silly me. Again I got presumptuous and assumed you'd remember who
you had been talking to in a thread you were participating in.
:>>> That's the way the other ones work>
:>>> d {motion command} (delete from cursor to the moved-to-spot)
:>>> y {motion command} (yank from cursor to the moved-to-spot)
:>>> > {motion command} (indent block from cursor to moved-to-line)
:>>> < {motion command} (outdent block from cursor to moved-to-line)
:>>> v {motion command} (visually select from cursor to moved-to-spot)
:>>> ....etc... (the last one (v) didn't exist in the original vi, but
:>>> exists in all the new incarnations of it)
:>> Doesn't specify whether $ is the end of line or the end of file.
:> It's always end-of-line everywhere except where it's being used
:> in a place where you would normally put a line number.
: The key word here is "except".
The rule has only 2 cases. You act like there's some sort of guesswork
involved, as if it required rote memorization of several special cases.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action
Date: 11 Dec 2000 23:45:04 GMT
Keith Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: >Tell me, do specfically chosen acronyms, like W2K, which is a marketing
: >ploy that takes advantage of the Y2K hysteria, or WinME, which is a
: >marketing attempt to make the OS more personable, suffer from the same
: >level of "geekiness" or "mindlessness" that you are criticizing posters
: >of having in COLA?
: No. For instance, if I refer to WinME, I'm referring to the actual name
: of an actual product.
You're referring to Microsoft Windows 6.0. I think that the previous
poster's point was that some "clever" person at Microsoft decided it
should be called "WinME" because of the messages that someone thought that
name would carry: "Millenium" tells us that it's modern and high-tech;
"ME" tells us that it's personable and user-friendly.
When people call it "WinDOS" or write "Micros~t", they are choosing to
communicate a different message: they are trying to reinforce that it is a
tower of cruft built upon 20-year-old technology.
And I think it would be difficult to argue that these messages are any
more opinion, any less demonstrable than Microsoft's.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of "M$", "Microshaft", or "Winblows," but
they're equally valid.
--
David Steinberg -o)
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
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