Linux-Advocacy Digest #716, Volume #28 Mon, 28 Aug 00 20:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:28 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
>
>> Said Eric Bennett in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>
>> >In Pennsylvania's unique system of higher education, Penn State has been
>> >defined by statute as a "state-related" institution. This definition
>> >means that the University is not entirely public; nor, despite its
>> >private charter, is it a private institution. Rather, it combines the
>> >best facets of a public entity with those of a private institution.
>> >=====
>>
>> Thanks for the quote. At least now I know where Joe learned the phrase
>> 'state-related'.
>
>
>So, IOW, you called me an ignormaus or something similar for telling you
>that Penn State was a state related university and not a state college
>as you had claimed.
Yes, and obviously I was right; you are an ignoramus, as evidenced by
the fact that you can't tell the difference between real life and what
they print on web pages. Apart from requiring a unique term for Penn
State's legal position, the phrase "state-related" is entirely
meaningless. Note the mangled syntax of the statement; "...has been
defined by statute as.... This definitions means that...." I would
expect a better grasp of the language from someone constructing a
university's web page. It is the word which means something, and words
are defined by dictionaries and usage, not by statute.
>Of course, you never looked it up. You never bothered to check facts at
>all. You merely throw around more of your drivel and call me a name for
>correcting you.
I already know the facts, though. Penn State used to be a state
college, but lost that classification many years ago when the amount of
money they receive from their alumni grew to be too large a percentage
of their operating budget. Many colleges and universities which are not
part of the state college system receive state monies, of course. Penn
State does receive a greater proportion of tax dollars than other
"private" colleges. It is no wonder that they felt the need to supply
some form of label, and the categorization of Penn State as a
"state-related" school merely points out the false dichotomy involved in
the discussion of "public versus private education", at least at the
college level and within Pennsylvania.
>When Eric finally shows you that I was right, you thank him, but forget
>to apologize to me. And, of course, you'll never change your stripes.
>You'll continue to spread lies that you refuse to check merely because
>your feeling is that something should be true.
I thank Eric for providing information, not for being right. I don't
forget to apologize to you; I simply never even consider it. I don't
thank assholes for being assholes, whether they argue by definition or
merely a complete lack of reason, and regardless of whether they're
occasionally correct on some trivial fact. Notably because those facts
are far more trivial than they are willing to admit. Do you even
remember why the question came up, or has it just been a matter of "must
prove Max wrong... must... prove Max... wrong...."?
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:31 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Said Joe R. in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>> >Actually, the reason would be that Penn State employees are employed by
>> >the University and not by the state--unlike the State colleges.
>>
>> Well, that would mean Penn State is not a state college.
>
>No one ever claimed that Penn State was a state college -- except you.
I didn't say anyone ever claimed that, precisely; merely that it is
true. You were the one who tried to use Penn State in contrast to
private colleges:
==========================================
Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>Actually, JS/PL's position would be that if Penn State didn't exist, the
>private universities that would spring up would be less expensive and
>better.
>
>I see libertarianism as a positive thing as long as it's a direction to
>move from the current system. As soon as we got very close to the
>Libertarian Manifesto, I'd be very concerned. But most of the time,
>that's the direction we should be going.
>
>The trick is to know when to stop. ;-)
In general, I agree with your comments whole-heartedly. As did Mark
Twain, basically, when he wrote (paraphrased) "as soon as you find your
opinion is that of the majority, its time to change your opinion".
The problem with the example is that Penn State has too much income from
private contributions (the largest alumni association in the country) to
qualify as a public institution. For example, Pennsylvania has a state
employee credit union, which is open to all students of all state
colleges. Penn State students and faculty are not included, however,
and have their own, private, credit union. The funding of Penn State
University is a special case, in the end, though they still do receive
some state money derived from taxes (but so do other even more "private"
institutions).
============================================
Employees of state colleges work for the state college, not the state.
But since the state colleges derive a preponderance of their operating
budgets from tax dollars, state college staff, faculty, and students
qualify to be part of the State Employees Credit Union.
>> [...]But if you have any
>> information (you haven't provided any, BTW; I thought you should know)
>> on the details of Penn States history, feel free to post them.
>
>Sure. Go to www.psu.edu.
I said feel free to post them. I haven't really much interest in
checking their web page, and I'd hardly need your help in finding an
url, thanks anyway.
>Unlike you, I happen to talk about things I know about. I went to high
>school in Pennsylvania and took Civics class. Then I spent 4 years at
>Penn State.
>
>In Pennsylvania, there have always been two categories for publicly
>funded universities.
>
>The State Colleges (known at one time as the State Teachers' Colleges)
>were generally smaller schools scattered all over the state. IIRC, there
>were about a dozen of them.
>
>Penn State was categorized as a "State Related University". I don't know
>for sure, but I'd guess that this is because it was originally chartered
>as a Land Grant College in the 19th century and was already in existence
>at the time the State Colleges were set up.
>
>Penn State never was a State College.
Interesting. Given the name "Penn State", it would seem rather odd that
it has never been considered a state college. Perhaps what you actually
mean is that it has never been part of the PA state college system as it
is currently implemented. Perhaps its designation as a 'state-related
university' is contemporaneous to the establishment of the current state
college system.
>If you'd stick to things you know about, you'd look a lot less foolish.
Yes, but then I'd never learn anything, and then I'd be foolish, a lot
like you.
>Of course, you'd also post about 95% less, but that's just a side
>benefit for the rest of us.
I'd probably only post about 40% less, but then my posts would be as
worthless as yours are.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:33 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
>So, IOW, you don't know what you're talking about, but you don't mind
>spewing your feelings as if they're supposed to replace facts.
And the difference between this description and your own posts are that
you are so delusional as to deny that the description applies to you to
begin with. As for me, well, I can live with it, though "opinions"
would be more consistent than "feelings", I think, and "as if they are
facts" would probably be more appropriate to your sentiment, though I
don't really have much trouble sorting out the difference.
--
T. Max Devlin
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of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:40 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
[...]
>The company could make money from other products. The product could
>generate money for other companies. There is no one-one link
>between them.
Well, you give two possibilities, and then presume they lead to a
conclusion. I'm well aware that TT "could" make money from other
products and KDE "could" generate money for other companies. But I
already knew these were possibilities; I'm asking for information, which
you seem reticent to provide. I believe its more likely that you simply
don't understand the question, or perhaps that you do but don't have an
answer and don't wish to reveal this lack. I'd have to be a conspiracy
theorist to think you were intentionally not confronting the real
questions.
>And since correcting your stupid ways is so easy, why don't you do it
>instead of whining?
Apparently, it isn't as easy as you'd like it to be. You've provided no
information at all, and very little conjecture (without sufficient
background to give me an idea of how valid that conjecture might be,
seemingly purposefully) about the truth of the matter. No bother,
though, others have already given me what I think is sufficient
information to believe that TT has not unethical entanglements with
commercial software vendors which use QT. There is the nagging
accusation that KDE itself (as an abstract, whether product or
organization is referenced is something you're going to have to work out
on your own; you need the practice as you've shown yourself to be
entirely incapable or unwilling to do it before) is promoted by TT in an
attempt to "monopolize" the market for libraries which might be
alternatives to QT. But without anything but supposition to support it,
I wouldn't put too much faith in the claim. Still, the industry should
be rightly shy about getting in bed with someone who wants to be the
"only" one of anything.
--
T. Max Devlin
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of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:36 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
>> It certainly not a stupid and unfounded assumption to figure that hiring
>> an accountant would have reduced my tax bill.
>
>Perhaps. You came up with a specific figure. You said an accountant
>could have come up with $4K in extra deductions.
>
>Name them.
Why? Are you suggesting that hiring an accountant would not have
reduced my tax bill? If you aren't trying to refute my position, you're
just trolling.
[...]
>> Well, you haven't refuted it except by conjecture.
>
>I don't have to refute your fantasies.
No, but you have to refute my arguments or my position, or you're just
whistling in the woods. Deluding yourself into thinking it is a
fantasy, and denying that I'm willing to reasonable discuss and support
or modify my opinions, isn't going to get you anywhere.
>You keep making up stupid arguments without any evidence, and when
>you're asked to provide evidence you shift the blame.
I'm sure you see it that way. I think it is primarily because you
mistake my intent, and the purpose of Usenet debate. The purpose is not
to "win" the discussion, but to participate in it. What you would like
to insist is "shifting blame" is me modifying my argument or position in
order to continue the discussion. The fact that you get so distracted
by this, and so hung up on picayune trivia (such as whether precisely
$4000 of additional deductible expenses might be derived from my
income), it seems obvious you want to "be right" more than you want to
discuss the issues in a calm and fair manner.
Quite frankly, I'm not happy with everything I've ever posted, and don't
like to be mistaken or in error, which I have been on occasion. But I
will stand behind every post I've ever made. To be honest, if I'd
posted the kind of useless drivel that you do (mostly pitiful complaints
that I'm posting useless drivel and painfully pedantic trolling), I'd be
too ashamed and embarrassed to continue posting.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:42 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
[...]
>> Well, shit, I'd "guess", too.
>
>We all know your guesses are usually shit, Max.
While past performance is not an indicator of future returns, I've
carefully cultivated the ability to 'guess' about many things, and turn
out to be right so often, in the end (this isn't limited at all to only
my Usenet posts), that it really is a little embarrassing, quite
frankly. Good "guessing" (also known as 'extrapolating' and
'interpolating' in reference to the conceptually related but entirely
discrete mathematical processes) is more a matter of conceptual
understanding than learning a copious array of individual details. Some
call it "intuition", other's might refer to it as "wisdom". A larger
group would probably call it being "mentally undisciplined", and I'm
pretty sure my ability to provide a "unique perspective" is related to
my ADD. But it works for me, pays the bills, and keeps me entertained
on Usenet, so I figure I'll come out ahead as long as I'm honest and
refuse to take anyone's insults as seriously as their valid criticism.
As you've evidenced here, Roberto, there's usually far too much of the
former, and a notable absence of the latter. If that weren't the case,
perhaps I wouldn't be so bold in the kind of self-confident boasting
which I execute far too often, as you've seen here.
- T. Max -- in full "arrogant, 'I can't help it if you can't keep up
with me', self-congratulations" mode.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:38 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>LOL This demonstrates that you have absolutely no clue Max.
About taxes? I'll admit I don't know much of the details. As with most
things, I find that understanding the principles is usually enough
until, for some reason, I'm forced to deal with the details.
>I will now reach over and pull out an old tax form.
>Lets assume you don't itemize for simplicity sake Max, and because your a
>simpleton.
I think you meant "you're a simpleton". And the fact is, I was only
referring to itemized deductions.
>How "crafty" do you have to be determine that Married filing jointly
>automatically gives you a tax deduction of $7100.00 Head of houshold =
>$6250. This doesn't include the 2700 you get for dependents (including
>yourself).
>You are lying again arent you?
No, it doesn't include any of that. Do these still apply if you itemize
deductions?
>You cannot possibly expect anyone to believe you can only manage to come up
>with 3000 in deductions when the standard deduction is double that. Unless
>you file long form but don't deduct anything your a liar in my opinion.
It was probably $3K over what the standard deductions would have been,
then, and I figure I could probably have increased that by another $4K
in deductions had I kept careful records to increase allowable business
deductions, arranged my investments to provide the minimum taxable
profile, transferred assets to my son, or any of the other methods which
a competent tax accountant would have suggested (AFAIK; my primary
experience with professional accountants was that I dated one for a
couple years). I could, for instance, have easily deducted a number of
"home office" expenses, or classified that weekend in Baltimore as a
business trip by meeting with some professional contacts.
[...]
>Yea...you pay more taxes out of a sense of civil duty, because it's the only
>thing that could happen now that your proven wrong and can't admit
>it.....you a liar in my opinion.
Well, your opinion, in particular, is entirely meaningless to me, at
best. In fact, it might be considered an endorsement of my honesty and
integrity, that I am "a liar" in your opinion.
I never said I pay more taxes out of a sense of civil duty, BTW. (Does
that make you a liar? Or merely mistaken?) I said, essentially, that I
don't try very hard to decrease the amount I pay in taxes, partially out
of a sense of civil duty (but mostly out of laziness).
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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