Linux-Advocacy Digest #52, Volume #29 Mon, 11 Sep 00 13:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows+Linux=True (Jeff Szarka)
Re: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised.... ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Computer and memory (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Windows+Linux=True (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Computer and memory (Matthias Warkus)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers ("sandrews")
Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Windows+Linux=True (.)
Re: Business management software on Linux (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Computer and memory (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Computer and memory (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: [Q] linux on mac? (.)
Re: Computer and memory (2:1)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (RogerB)
Re: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised.... ("Stuart Fox")
Vs: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised.... ("Ville Niemi")
Vs: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised.... ("Ville Niemi")
Re: The reason I don't care about the flame wars ("Rich C")
Re: [Q] linux on mac? (.)
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From: Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows+Linux=True
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:10:56 -0400
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:19:47 -0700, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>No, to a new computer user. Have you ever tried to teach someone how to use
>the Windows user interfaces to a brand new adult computer users? I have, in
>displaced workers retraining. They were taught graphical user interfaces
>and command line interfaces, they invariably caught on to the command line
>interface faster and were more productive sooner with it than the graphical
>user interface.
I don't think you're teaching them right.
I've had very little probelm teaching people Windows. As soon as they
get used to the mouse you only have to teach them 10 basics.
1) Left clicking
2) Right clicking
3) copy and paste
4) shutdown
5) double clicking
6) File menus
7) Tool bars
8) The taskbar
9) The help menu
10) The concept of windowing and multi-tasking
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised....
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:10:43 +0100
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Stuart Fox in alt.destroy.microsoft;
> [...]
> >Either you're using static IP's & (obviously) static DNS, or DHCP with
> >either static or dynamically allocated DNS. If DNS entries are static,
no
> >problem. If they're dynamic, change the DNS setting...
>
> We may be using something else; your attempt to restrict the nature of
> the network in order to implement your solution speaks volumes
> concerning your technical capabilities.
>
So what would be the alternative of either a) dynamically assigned DNS
settings, or b) fixed DNS settings? For Windows based hosts, that is the
entirety of your options for setting DNS. I'm not restricting anything
here, this is How It Is.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:21:43 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:18:34 -0700...
...and Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >gimme a break, most Europeans speak 3 to 4 languages, how many Americans can
> >say that?
>
> *most* Europeans certainly do not speak 3 or 4 languages. Many Europeans are
> multilingual, but most are not, and most certainly do not speak 3-4 languages.
If you can count regional dialects as a language (and trust me, you
can), most people in Germany are trilingual. 8)
mawa
--
Q: What's blue and white and sits on the bottom of the ocean ?
A: A fridge wearing a denim jacket.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Windows+Linux=True
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:29:14 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 10 Sep 2000 06:54:22 GMT...
...and Ingemar Lundin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> still no gnome windowmanager
Not ever. The GNOME project has decided that there won't be an
official GNOME window manager. The best-integrated WM for GNOME at the
moment is clearly Sawfish, but there's a choice of at least five or
six others that work equally well, but are not as integrated w/r/t
configuration.
> and a whole lot of inconsistencies
> in the GUI.(AND rather buggy still)
Which GUI do you mean?
mawa
--
King of Prussia | Rising Sun | Bird-in-Hand | Intercourse
Blue Ball | Bishop's Head | Cross Keys
-- placenames in or between Pennsylvania and Virginia
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:23:36 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:50:14 GMT...
...and Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Funny how he says the Europeans are 'tainted' by ignorant
> and oblivious words. Jesus, I wonder if that guy is
> reading a different USENET than the rest of us? I seem to
> see more blathering and totally idiotic statements out of
> US connected people than out of the European connected
> people.
Correction: The US posters do not only produce more arrogant and
idiotic postings that all of the European posters. They produce more
of then that all other posters together, and I estimate that, in
international groups like this, the amount of US bullshit is at least
thrice the amount of rest-of-the-world bullshit.
mawa
--
In America, everything is legal provided you have more money than your
opponent. If you have less, then you need to be more careful.
-- Anthony Ord
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:34:05 GMT
fuck yourself...hows that for coherent?
/IL
> What makes what linux? Try to be coherent, at least.
>
>
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From: "sandrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:36:19 -0500
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
In article <8phk1h$it2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David Sidlinger"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Exactly my point. You would have to have access to kernel memory to
> do it in NT, also. Personally, I don't like the everyone comparing
> Windows 9x to any other OS. 9x was never meant to be a robust OS
> (whoops, did I say something negative about MSFT? Maybe I'm not
> blindly loyal to them after all). I think that you can really only
> draw comparisons between Unix/Linux and NT (or 2000). 9x does not
> have any type of security, for instance. Also, the level of expertise
> required to run any Unix variant is far greater than the guy who just
> wants to play Tiberian Sun. (Or whatever the latest craze is, I've
> been out of that loop for a while). By the way, did anyone know that
> Compaq is *guaranteeing* 99.99% uptime for its Win2000 Datacenter
> servers?
>
> - David
>
>
Big deal 99.99 is nothing, is that all the better it can do?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform
Date: 11 Sep 2000 15:31:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
D. Spider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For your information the multi-button mouse was in use well before
> Apple put out their first mouse.
Wasn't the first ever mouse a multi-button one?
> They took the extra buttons off and figured out ways to do
> everything with one button, because they observed that people were
> often confused as to which button to use.
They took the other buttons off because *beginners* were often
confused as to which button to use. It turns out that beginners are
easier to observe than experts (if for no other reason than the fact
that there are an awful lot of beginners out there!) But not everyone
is a beginner, and most people don't remain beginners for too long
once they start using something...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Short attention span since- ooh! Shiny thing on the floor!
-- Chad R. Orzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Windows+Linux=True
Date: 11 Sep 2000 15:51:49 GMT
Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:54:47 +0200, Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>No we have not. Windows GUI is slow, illogical and inconsistent. Look at
>>the fancy newer stuff like Actide Desktop ans Channels..
> Windows 2000 has no channels bar...
> Active Desktop, whatever it was, isn't "ON" by default. At least to
> the extent there are no web pages on your desktop by default.
www.98lite.net.
There is a windowsME edition. Its possible to whittle your gigantic
erection of an operating system down to 80 megs or so.
abbie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Business management software on Linux
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:59:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>What is the best business management software on Linux right now that also
>includes inventory management? Thanks ahead.
>
>Napi
We are using something at my place of business called
Appgen. It is an accounting/inventory/management software
based on a client/server architecture. Check out
http://www.appgen.com for more info on it. We have had
pretty good luck with it, and it's fairly customizable (we
have ours customized for the cabinetry business).
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:03:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Grega Bremec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>...and Nathaniel Jay Lee used the keyboard:
>>
>>(As my father said to me one morning, years ago, "If
>>ignorance is bliss then I'm the happiest man alive.")
>>
>
>If ignorance is bliss, then wipe that smile off my face.
>
Self realization sucks;-). I think that's what my dad was
trying to say (in his ever eloquent way).
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:06:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>It was the Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:50:14 GMT...
>...and Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Funny how he says the Europeans are 'tainted' by ignorant
>> and oblivious words. Jesus, I wonder if that guy is
>> reading a different USENET than the rest of us? I seem to
>> see more blathering and totally idiotic statements out of
>> US connected people than out of the European connected
>> people.
>
>Correction: The US posters do not only produce more arrogant and
>idiotic postings that all of the European posters. They produce more
>of then that all other posters together, and I estimate that, in
>international groups like this, the amount of US bullshit is at least
>thrice the amount of rest-of-the-world bullshit.
>
Yeah, and I guess that explains why I'm so 'proud' to be
an American.
>mawa
>--
>In America, everything is legal provided you have more money than your
>opponent. If you have less, then you need to be more careful.
> -- Anthony Ord
Nice sig. Kind of reminds me why the current political
system in the US sucks. It's of the people, for the
people and by the people, if you're 'of the people' that
have millions of dollars to spend.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: [Q] linux on mac?
Date: 11 Sep 2000 16:22:18 GMT
Anon Y. Mous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> apparently, in the boot record of the system disk on the macintosh, there is
> a pointer to a second operating system. there once was a package that
> allow the system to restart into the other OS, etc. it is my guess that
> this was a feature that apple employed for debugging their developments.
No, there isnt. The sector to which you refer is actually a PROM setting.
Macs boot from a boot prom, just like sparcs and old NeXT machines.
It is possible to change the default boot setting on this prom to be any
device and partition you like, IDE or SCSI.
> what i am wondering is if the linux OS for the macs use this. that's the
> conversion that is of interest...
Yes, some do. On some macs. Sometimes they dont though.
LinuxPPC is able to use an interesting boot method; it loads macos part way
(enough to load its linux boot extension) and then drops it immediately and
scans the system folder for a linux kernel; once it finds it, it drops it in
place, looks for an ext2 filesystem where the boot extension said it was
and continues on its merry way.
abbie
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:16:35 GMT
> Hell, i don't even know what xenophobia is
irrational fear of the gas xenon :-)
Irrational hatred/dislike (fear?) or foriegners.
-Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RogerB)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:34:31 GMT
A stable kernel,some scripts and a truck load of binaries.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:37:38 GMT, Ingemar Lundin <lundiningemar_NOSPAM_
>@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>REALLY?
>
>And what makes that Linux?
>
>A shell, some scripts and a fistful of binaries?
>
>/IL
>
>> So is Windows 9x
>>
>>
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised....
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:34:02 +0100
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Stuart Fox in alt.destroy.microsoft;
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...]
> >> If you'd given reasonable answers to either question, we wouldn't have
> >> to keep going back and forth. Stop squirming around. If you know you
> >> can't keep up the argument, just take your lumps and say goodbye.
> >
> >I have, the question keeps changing...
>
> You haven't as far as I'm concerned; just because the questions keep
> changing doesn't mean we've accepted any of your answers so far. Quite
> the opposite, in fact.
Just because *you* haven't accepted any of the answers I've given doesn't
make them any less valid.
>
> >Yes indeed. A hostname may not have an underscore, but....
> >
> >The updated RFC was to clarify that you can use any binary character in a
> >service location record (which is what _ldap_ is, *not* a hostname)
>
> There was no clarification on that point necessary, as it was already
> both known and standardized. If you could call any use of DNS outside
> Internet DNS standardized, which you can't. If someone wants to use DNS
> for more than that, fine, I've got nothing against that, in the
> abstract. But only if their implementers and customers are aware that
> what they are has nothing whatsoever to do with DNS as we know it, and
> will be entirely interoperable with any non-Microsoft systems. This
> point is not clearly made, and as a matter of fact, its made as
> furtively as possible, if at all. It would have to be, or people would
> ask "but, why are you using DNS for *that*?" because it doesn't make any
> sense to, except to try to 'de-commoditize' DNS.
It is a perfectly valid use of DNS - to locate things, much like locating
hosts.
>
> Its an expansion of the same 'we don't want it different so lets pretend
> its not' chicanery that they've been pulling for years in confabulating
> a WINS domain with a DNS domain. Its cost millions of dollars of time
> and money, at the expense of Microsoft's *customers*, because of
> Microsoft's monopolistic intent and horrendously crappy design, and is a
> large part of the reason why WINS is so problematic to begin with.
>
WINS is indeed shit. It was a good solution for small networks, but not for
enterprises (which is where NT was implemented at first).
> [...]
> >> You mistake, just as they were trying to forestall in this very
> >> paragraph, the use of DNS as a host resolution mechanism, and DNS as a
> >> hierarchical database.
> >>
> >No mistake, they just see DNS as no longer for locating hosts, instead
for
> >locating any host or generic service. Perfectly reasonable, and locating
> >services is practically identical to locating hosts.
>
> Yea, I'd figure you'd pick up that line, once I pointed out your
> ignorance on the matter.
Whatever...
It would appear that BIND is somewhat selective in which proposed RFC's they
support - for instance the IXFR RFC is supported and not standard. Is there
a list anywhere of which RFC's are acceptable and which aren't?
The update to naming RFC is still in the proposed track, progress just
doesn't seem too quick on that.
Regardless of all that, MS (and others) have proposed it in a RFC, which to
me would seem to be the opposite of what you're claiming they would do. If
they were trying to gain control, surely they'd do as they have before and
extend and not tell anyone?
> [...]
> >Yep, exactly. But you're confused between a host record, and a service
> >location record (SRV) - which BIND does support by the way, it just
doesn't
> [...]
>
> No, you're confused about the fact that I don't care. I brought in the
> theory to educate others in how to tell that you didn't know what you
> were talking about. Now that I've explained it, and you know more about
> the subject (good job, by the way, you really did pick it up quick, and
> it is a bit abstract; perhaps there's hope for you)
Thanks... I think.
we can dispense with
> the technical hand-waving and get back to the subject, which is that
> implementing a system that monkeys around with existing network
> infrastructure with no regard or even understanding of what true
> interoperability means is a stupid thing to do. Any professional in the
> IT business should know that. You can't improve a network with a
> Microsoft solution, that's all there is to it.
I never claimed to be improving it.
> They're not software
> developers; they're monopolists, and they're software is crap because of
> it. It fails the real-world test, because the only way you can
> demonstrate that its acceptable or even functional is to point to the
> lack of alternatives.
Which is irrelevant. I know your views on their monopoly behaviours,
they're not new, and not really relevant to the discussion.
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From: "Ville Niemi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Vs: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised....
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:38:43 GMT
Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti
viestissä:8pimsj$bmv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Ville Niemi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:e74v5.186$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > But isn't that what capitalism is all about - maximising market share
at
> > the
> > > expense of competitors, and maximising profit? By definition, all
> > > businesses must be monopolists...
> >
> > No... Capitalism is about letting supply and demand set prices on a free
> > market and direct resources to where need (demand) is greatest.
> >
> > This assumes that supply and demand are the factors deciding the price
and
> > that the price quality comparisons determine purchases. Monopolizing is
> > always anti-capitalist in nature because its purpose is to prevent the
> > market mechanisms from working correctly in order to make people buy
your
> > products.
>
> ...to make more money, which is the aim of all companies. Just because MS
> happened to be particularly effective at it, where their competitors
failed
> (miserably in many cases), does not make them evil etc.
You asked what capitalism is and I explained. You really need to work on
your reading skills. Capitalism is not a system for companies to make money.
It is a theory on how profit-seeking companies in a free market economy are
beneficial to all.
Read the text and THINK.
By your definition drug dealers are good people simply trying to make a
living in a capitalist system. They too use unethical and illegal methods to
market products that are known to cause problems for people.
> >
> > Good question, though. Many people assume that if a country calls itself
a
> > capitalist country its market practices are capitalism. This is not the
> > case.
> >
> > Ville
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Ville Niemi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Vs: ZDNet reviews W2K server; I think you'll be surprised....
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:38:44 GMT
Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti
viestissä:8pimoe$d8d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Free markets, by the way, are about *minimizing* costs, or rather,
> > maximizing efficiency. Pisses the capitalists off, I know, but that's
> > why they're 'capitalists' and not 'kings'.
>
> There is no such thing as the "free market" (except in theory). America
> claims it to be so, while still operating one of the most protected
markets
> around....
True, but what's your point? The theory is what the law is based on, isn't
it? Just because the implementation is imperfect doesn't mean the theory is
not relevant. In fact, the purpose of such theories is to help people gain
understanding that allows them to improve on the status quo.
Are you an American, most seem reluctant to admit that their right to free
market isn't really working very well, while you go to the other extreme and
say that since it isn't working we should give up and let the companies do
what they want.
Ville
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The reason I don't care about the flame wars
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:40:42 -0400
"Lee Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I've been a computer hacker (!cracker) for almost exactly 20 years now.
> I started out on an Apple II+ with 48k of memory and a single double
> density 5.25 floppy. I've seen and worked with just about every popular
> computer made between now and then. In addition to the Apple II+ I've
> owned a CoCo, a Commodore 64, an Atari 800 and 65XE, A Macintosh, An
> Amiga 500, An Atari ST520, A TRS80 Model I, Every level of PC from an
> 4.77 mhz PC/XT to an Athlon 700. I've been using Linux for five years
> now, ever since the 1.2 kernel days. I've also used Windows 2.x,3.x,9x,
> NT, and 2000. Before Linux OS/2 was my operating system of choice.
>
> What I've learned is that there is nothing to be gained from fighting
> and arguing with someone else over the operating system or computer you
> perfer. It doesn't matter what they like, it doesn't matter what they
> think. Convincing them that such and such an OS is better than some
> other OS doesn't gain you anything. Do you need their permission or
> approval to feel good about the OS you use? If they don't like your OS
> does that make their opinion a threat to you simply because they have
> one? Does their opinion truly matter in any way to anyone other than
> themselves? Do they have power over you? I think you can see that the
> answer to all these questions is no.
Of course it is human nature to try to convince someone that your choice is
better than theirs. Ford guys and Chevy guys have been doing this far longer
than computers have been around.
>
> Advocating Linux is a good idea. Its a great operating system. But
> getting in flamewars with people who don't like it doesn't do anything
> to increase its popularity. The people who don't like it aren't going
> to be convinced otherwise by you berating them.
Advocating Linux to "real" people is a good idea. However, most of the
anti-linux people who come into this newsgroup are here specifically to bash
Linux and to get a rise out of the advocates here. They use fake identities,
most of which have been idetified and posted from time to time to inform the
newbies. We call them trolls. These people expect abuse, and we make sure
they get it.
>
> But ultimately it doesn't matter why some people don't like linux
> because they don't matter. If you're a politician looking for votes,
> then the opinions of others matter. If you're working someplace the
> opinions of your boss and coworkers matter. If you're trying to make
> friends and get along with other people, what they think of you
> matters. But what doesn't matter are the attitudes and opinions of
> people you don't know and who don't know you. People who are on the
> other side of the country or even the world. They simply don't matter.
> So do yourself a favor and stop wasting your breath fighting with them.
> Ignore them because they're really not worth your time.
Unless you want to have some fun. Also, it points out to the newbies in the
group how lame their arguments really are.
When someone comes into the group with an honest problem with or question
about Linux, we try to help them. But when somebody like Tim Palmer comes
around with "lineux suckz" or Steve/Claire comes along and says she's spent
the day color coding the Linux boxes at her local Comp-USA to prove how low
the sales are, it's time to flame away.
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
>
> Lee Reynolds
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Subject: Re: [Q] linux on mac?
Date: 11 Sep 2000 16:42:23 GMT
Rich C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> Anon Y. Mous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > if i install linux on a mac, how difficult is the conversion?
>>
>> It depends on what you mean by "conversion". LinuxPPC has become
>> (after quite a long time) incredibly easy to install. Same for
>> Yellowdog. Theyre both redhat based.
>>
>> You of course wont be able to run any of your mac software, but
>> it could be argued that that is a Good Thing (TM).
>>
>>
> Perhaps the hardest thing would be converting that cyclops mouse to
> something with 2 or 3 buttons. You need to middle click to paste in many
> Linux apps. You can simulate a third button with 2 buttons, but how do you
> simulate a third button with only one?
Use your brain...how would you do it?
The way its usually done is with a keyboard replacement; i.e. middle click
would be 'ctrl click' and right click would be 'alt click'. You can of
course get three button mice for macs, in case you didnt know.
abbie
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