Linux-Advocacy Digest #753, Volume #29 Thu, 19 Oct 00 22:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! (Charlie Ebert)
Clearing things ("Idoia Sainz")
Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web! ("Otto")
Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web! ("Otto")
Re: Astroturfing ("Chad Myers")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Why Linux is great. ("James E. Freedle II")
Re: Astroturfing ("Chad Myers")
Re: Why Linux is great. ("James E. Freedle II")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Real Linux Advocacy ("James E. Freedle II")
Re: Clearing things (Jim Broughton)
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:48:57 GMT
Quantum Leaper wrote:
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?articleid=RWT101600000000
> >
> > That's the headlines once they fail to support this chip.
> >
> > Linux will be supporting it just like they currently have IA64 working!
> >
> > Microsoft doesn't even have the IA64 working!
> >
> Amazing, it sure seemed to work great with Win2K at the Comdex many moons
> ago.
> BTW I tried it at the Comdex, before I went to the Linux area.
Did you like that boxed version you were sent home with?
You know! The one customized for IA 64! Not the one
which is based on a 486 chip but the one based on the
IA 64! Let's see the boxed version!
Yet others are saying the chip isn't released!
Another say's the chip is too expensive and isn't out yet.
Yet another say's Microsoft has a running OS on it!
HA! Bullcrap to all folks!
The IA64 has been powering Mainframes for quite some time now.
Intel will not release the chip until Microsoft say's their OS is ready
for the market!
Intel is sitting on the chip because without Microsoft Windows being
ready, they think there is NO MARKET.
Now you have the truth.
The point is Microsoft is getting buried by technological changes.
Their impressive DEMO's at Vegas, if they were that impressive,
should be in boxed form at the local store. Or is Microsoft just
stupid also. Perhaps they are sitting on inventory awaiting alignment
of Mars, Jupiter, and Venus!
I can't thank everyone enough for agreeing with me.
Through all your actions and lies, you've all helped confirm the
story in your own actions.
Without this kind of support from the reading audience, stories
like this seem rather trivial.
Thank's everybody.
Charlie
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From: "Idoia Sainz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Clearing things
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:57:49 GMT
Multiaccount POP/IMAP/SMTP mail GUI client with filters.
Eudora, Outlook Express, Outlook, Pegasus <--- free
kmail ? xfmail ? pine ? netscape ? mutt ? sendmail ?
fetchmail ? procmail ? qmail ? Combine like you want
to get the same that at Windows programs.
Off-line per user suscriptions multiaccount NEWS GUI client .
Outlook Express <--- free
leafnode ? inn ? tin ? slrn ? netscape ? knews ? Combine like
you want to achieve a final version as capable as Windows
contrepart.
Java, Java script, 128bits encryption GUI browser with off-line
per-user capabilities (ActiveX and all that crap if possible).
Internet Explorer <--- free
netscape ? opera ? lynx ? mozilla ? arena ? Can't combine
anything to reach Internet Explorer power.
All that should leave clear that GNU/Linux is not a good desktop
for the average user just because it lacks what Windows gives
for free more powerful and easier to use.
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From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:04:39 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:QDCH5.13035$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:
: "Mike Coleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: > "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: > > The industry started out with Unix and along came NT beating the crap
out of
: > > the "xNIX". When the 64-bit version of NT becomes available sometimes
in the
: > > next year, it'll be lights out for the "xNIX". All of the "real
: > > professionals" will be flipping burgers somewhere and they can keep
: > > wondering about what hit them.
: >
: > I'd rather flip burgers in hell than aid and abet in Redmond.
:
: With that kind of attitude, it won't be long then...
You'll be ordering burgers using CLI pretty soon.....
Otto
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From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:05:57 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:HjvH5.9939$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:
: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:BEtH5.30884$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: >
: > :
: > : The intel architecture has yet to catch up to previous
: > : shipping Sun hardware at this point. The sorts of comments
: > : that you hurl really mean considerably less than you would
: > : have people believe.
: >
: > And that suppose to make someone believe that Sun box is faster than
Intel
: > box, when it comes to crypto math calculation, right?
: >
: > : Besides, Sun hasn't been standing still at all.
: >
: > You are correct, it's been going down....
: >
: > Otto
:
: You have an odd sense of direction:
:
: http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/investor/2001-q1.html
Have you considered the source :)?
Otto
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:52:02 GMT
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8smu8h$1grh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > I've done that on the second of three installs, it still shows 66mb when
the
> >> > install is complete. I also have a pretty good feeling that just typing
> >> > mem=256M will not magically work if it doesn't already see the maximum
> >> > amount available.
> >>
> >> You have an awnser to your problem, but your not interested in it. Why
> >> bother to ask?
>
> > Are you penguinistas so devoid of common sense that you cannoy see the
> > obvious?
>
> > Who's the leading seller of buisiness PCs? Dell? If not, Compaq, right?
>
> > Let's talk about Dell then...
>
> > What's Dell's leading PC? The OptiPlex line And/Or the Dimension line?
>
> > The Dimensions and the OptiPlexes range form Celerons at the low
> > end to PIIIs at the high end.
>
> > The Celeron boxes all use the 810 or 810e chipset, and the PIIIs use
> > the 815 or 815e chipset, which isn't too much different.
>
> > Shall I now explain to you why water is wet?
>
> Not to be terribly argumentative, but it may be worth noting that dell
> sells multiproc Xeon machines as well.
Please stick to the thread.
The argument was that 810s are common, if not the majority of desktops
out there today in Business land. That common fact was challenged,
I provided simple, common logic to assist 2:1 in achieving reason
on his own.
Are multiproc Xeon machines top sellers or common desktops in most
of the corporations today? No, of course not, therefore your post
has no relevance to this thread.
-Chad
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:05:27 -0700
"Matt Kennel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :Yes. I have the courage enough to state that to my knowledge, Microsoft
does
> :not write its products so as to deliberately cripple competing companies'
> :products. Its applications have no innate advantage over other
applications
> :on the same OS.
>
> Do its programmers
>
> 1) know about future API's sooner than other non Microsoft programmers?
Not generally. APIs don't normally stabilize before Beta2 anyway.
Generally speaking, companies willing to sign NDA's will get access before
the public will. Mind you, that applies to any software company.
> 2) have a better record at getting the API's that they want included
> in future versions of the operating system compared to non-Microsoft
> programmers?
I don't know of any examples either way, sorry.
Simon
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From: "James E. Freedle II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:11:00 -0400
I installed SuSE 6.3 and I still don't know what I installed. I had a bunch
of applications, but not enough information to tell me really what they did.
I probably have 200 text editors, 300 email programs, etc. I like the idea
behind Linux, but if people would quite duplicating work, then Linux might
have a chance of beating Windows.
"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8snqf8$l28n2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >The first thing that is great about it is the install. A single CD has
> >probably all the applications and drivers that you want. Very quick,
> >very easy and it gets better from there.
>
>
> Multiple-CD versions like SUSE contain even more applications ( I haven't
> found any use for the extra's that my single-cd mandrake distro doesn't
have
> though - I run SUSE 6.4 on my main PC and Mandrake 7.1 on a PC at work and
> on my laptop).
>
>
>
>
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:57:08 GMT
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > I've done that on the second of three installs, it still shows 66mb when
the
> > > > install is complete. I also have a pretty good feeling that just typing
> > > > mem=256M will not magically work if it doesn't already see the maximum
> > > > amount available.
> > >
> > > You have an awnser to your problem, but your not interested in it. Why
> > > bother to ask?
> >
> > Are you penguinistas so devoid of common sense that you cannoy see the
> > obvious?
> >
> > Who's the leading seller of buisiness PCs? Dell? If not, Compaq, right?
> >
> > Let's talk about Dell then...
> >
> > What's Dell's leading PC? The OptiPlex line And/Or the Dimension line?
> >
> > The Dimensions and the OptiPlexes range form Celerons at the low
> > end to PIIIs at the high end.
> >
> > The Celeron boxes all use the 810 or 810e chipset, and the PIIIs use
> > the 815 or 815e chipset, which isn't too much different.
> >
> > Shall I now explain to you why water is wet?
> >
> > -Chad
>
>
> You are truly stupid.
Ah yes, the baseless ad hominem attacks. If you think I am so stupid,
please provide numbers (with URLs) of why you believe that the 810
and its derivitives are NOT common among corporate offices in America?
Can't? Thought so. Pot -> Kettle black.
> If dell supply 10% of all office PCs,
They supply far more than that. I will not quote the rest of your
statement because it is based on grossly false assumptions.
<SNIP: 2:1's ignorant rantings and grossly false statements with
no bearing on reality>
>
> Secondly, the 810 chipset is not the 815. they are different, and you
> have no evidence suggesting that the bug applies to that too (I don't
> know if it does).
Please show me where Linux can affirmatively detect the exact amount
of RAM on a PC with an 815 chipset.
What? You can't? That's right, because it exhibts similar behavior.
> And, yes please, please explain why water is wet. I'd be interested in a
> good explanation.
Ah... I knew you didn't understand. This explains many of your otherwise
horribly ignorant posts!
-Chad
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From: "James E. Freedle II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:13:49 -0400
Actually the probably keep erasing the folders that the applications were
installed in. I have been using Windows and Office for years, and it has not
yet once crashed the system. I have more problems at work, because somebody
in the IR department really does not know what they are doing, and therefore
keeps doing something stupid to screw up Windows. I am sure that if they are
having problems with their Windows machines, it is because some IR person
that like Linux, it messing up Windows and trying to get the company to use
Linux instead of Windows.
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Idoia Sainz wrote:
> >
> > > Computing Skills:
> > > Linux, like Windows will install with little or no computer skills for
> > > "most" machines. Windows, like Linux will be more difficult if a
driver
> > > that is required for installation is not supported. At issue: Try
> > > installing Windows 98SE with a VooDoo3 card, on that same machine
> > > install a Haupague TV card. You must crawl around the web and find a
FAQ
> > > that indicates that the VooDoo3 does not support the older version of
> > > DirectDraw that comes with the TV card, and that you have to acquire
the
> > > new version for it to run.
> >
> > > I find little difference between this process in Windows than the
> > > equivalent in Linux. The only difference is the information is easier
to
> > > find for Linux because it is on public groups.
> >
> > > Time left to learn:
> > > I have yet to see an "average" user not spend a day or two playing
with
> > > a new machine.
> >
> > I agree, but I think OS's if are to be used by a lot of people should
> > tend
> > to be easier to use, install and the so ... they should in fact be like
they
> > were
> > not there at all, don't you agree ?
>
> Sure, but, Windows' ain't it and that's what we are talking about.
>
> >
> > > BTW "too much facts" should be written as "Too many facts" (grammar),
> >
> > Okay, I accept the correction as English is not my native language, I
> > hope
> > you won't use it as any kind of argument like ... Windows users have not
> > brain or the so.
>
> Not me.
>
> >
> > > I disagree (here are some observations, they are factual) I sit across
> > > from the IT guys. In a company of about 20 people, they have to
> > > reinstall either MS Windows or MS Office (or both) about once a week
> > > because word, excel, or other program crashes Windows, and people
can't
> > > do their work. I used to be a Windows developer, I still do some
> > > consulting in that area, it isn't stable.
> >
> > I can't believe about installing every week and I honestly think you
are
> > not being honest at this point. Wouldn't you be able to last a Windows
> > installation for more than a week ? I think yes ... if you give a pencil
to
> > a stupid he can kill some one.
>
> Actually, it is every month or two per machine. It isn't the same
> machine each time, and I am not making it up. It comes out to about once
> a week someone's machine has to be re-installed. (They sort of have a
> pool going ;-)
>
>
> >
> > > > Well, this depends a lot on what you are developing, for some
things
> > > > GNU/Linux would be fine for me, obviously not for developing Windows
> > > > applications ... that like it or not, has the bigger market share
> > nowadays.
> >
> > > This is the paradox, isn't it? There may be a market for SWB (shrink
> > > wrapped boxes), but unless you have a specific type of company, you
> > > can't make money doing it. Game geeks are lean mean companies. Run of
> > > the mill software companies making $100 SWB are having real problems
> > > these days. While Windows is a HUGE market, it is one that is full and
> > > commodity driven, you either have to have something quite unique, or
be
> > > a behemoth like MS (and even that does not always help).
> >
> > Good argumentation, but still unproven, if so, why are there so many
> > TV channels always selling you the same under different envelope ?
>
> The advent of cable allows small TV channels to survive, metaphorically,
> TV stations are more like web sites. Software comanies are more like
> softdrink vendors.
>
> I wouldn't say it my statement unproven at all, what is the number?
> something like 90% of software companies go out of business the first
> year.
>
> >
> > > I have a Windows box to test software on my desk. I am always
rebooting
> > > it. My Linux box has uptimes measured in months. The desktop does not
> > > mean crap if you can't use the system. Which would you rather have, a
> > > new corvette with no motor, or a Camaro that runs great?
> >
> > Not the case, Windows (even 98) is not as unusable, and you know.
>
> Define unusable. IMHO I do not use Windows for anything other than a
> test box. I honestly do not beleive that Windows is a usable platform,
> and no one that depends on something like UNIX or Linux for any length
> of time would.
>
> >
> > > NT Workstation and 2000 Pro are NOT rock solid. They are better than
> > > Windows, but I assure you they are not nearly as stable as Linux. Just
> > > the fact that the GUI operates in kernel space means it can't be as
> > > stable.
> >
> > I know they are not as stable as Linux, I said for daily use
switching on
> > them every day. And what about GGI or framebuffer ? Or the Tux web
> > server ? Aren't they kernel space ?
>
> Yes, but I don't use them and I have that option, which you do not have
> with NT/2K.
>
> >
> > > You have no right to think this. You have no knowledge about my
motives.
> > > I have no love for Microsoft, true, but you don't know why I have my
> > > opinions, whether or not they are "blind" as you say. My opinions are
> > > quite rational and arrived at from experience.
> >
> > Accepted correction.
> >
> > > All servers require knowledge. Point and puke, or text based, it makes
> > > no difference. You need to know the technologies to ensure your server
> > > is correct, regardless of the UI.
> >
> > Agree.
> >
> > > This is a common statement amongst Windows proponents, and as far as I
> > > have seen false. No "average" windows user sets up their machine, it
> > > either works out of the box (or from IT) or it goes back to be fixed.
> >
> > I do set up it.
>
> Then, you are not an average computer user. You may think you are, but
> the majority of users have trouble with the concept of a hard disk.
>
> >
> > > The "average" Windows user does not know or care about what they use.
> > > Put a properly setup Linux box in front of them, and it will do
> > > everything that they need.
> >
> > No, there are no consistency between applications, there are no
universal
> > copy and paste (big invention). People like a common interface (to the
point
> > is possible) in their applications ... which carries us to GNOME or KDE,
> > why the success ? Consistency is one of the points, centralization is
> > another
> > and copy paste another. Why does GNOME documentation about objects
> > point to OLE Microsoft specification ? Well, Windows has some nice
> > things too.
>
> Inconsistencies are a fact of life in the real world. People have fewer
> problems understanding them than an appearence of stability and
> uniformity which is false.
> >
> > > My cousin's highschool kids use his Linux box to do school reports
> > > because the Windows box "loses their work." (It crashed on them twice
in
> > > two years, but they learned quickly.)
> >
> > Well, you pointed that servers needed knowledge, now I point that
> > working with computers need backups ... I assure you that ext2
> > filesystems and even ReiserFS ones has crashed here some times
> > too, and if times>1 then backup needed for the case.
>
> They were talking about crashes while using Word and publisher. A backup
> would not have helped.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:02:03 GMT
"Matt Kennel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :Yes. I have the courage enough to state that to my knowledge, Microsoft does
> :not write its products so as to deliberately cripple competing companies'
> :products. Its applications have no innate advantage over other applications
> :on the same OS.
>
> Do its programmers
>
> 1) know about future API's sooner than other non Microsoft programmers?
If so, how does this cripple competitors products?
> 2) have a better record at getting the API's that they want included
> in future versions of the operating system compared to non-Microsoft
> programmers?
Oh no! A company is actually helping itself earn profit! Whatever
shall we do!
By the way, please cite a specific API (just one, that's all I ask)
that was put in Windows that is not fully documented that is abused
by an MS product.
Just one, that's all I ask.
-Chad
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:20:02 GMT
Bailey/Davis wrote:
> I am writing a paper for a college class on the topic of "The Pros and
> Cons of a MS Windows Dominated World" from a "raw" perspective (i.e.
> Usenet and email listserve). I am interested in whether the market
> created the best (fast, efficient) hardware/software products in light
> of MS Windows dominance.
>
> If interested, please send your ideas or thoughts on this topic directly
> to me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I will post a summary of the results
> later.
>
> Thanks
> Ed
CON's =
#1. Microsoft has a competitive advantage over others in the applications
market.
You will always pay top dollar for Microsoft applications as
anything the
applications people need, the OS people will provide. Other
software
companies, "Netscape", "Corel", "Borland","Oracle" have not been
so lucky. If they NEEDED a special feature in the OS, they would
NOT get it before the Microsoft application did!
#2. A Major security risk on the internet. Whether it be an I-Love-You
virus
written by a 12 year old, OR, a hole in a back office server, OR, a
common
user wiping out his own WIN/SYSTEM32 directory, Microsoft has
no sense of security!
#3. Closed Source. Unlike Linux, Microsoft is closed source and that
means you don't have 200,000 programmer analysts looking for
bugs and security holes which allow people to hack you and
crash you.
#4. Non-GPL licensed code! Because it's copy-righted code,
companies like Hewlett Packard and IBM are not very likely
to dump their brains into a Microsoft Kernel. The GPL guarantees
everybody equal and unrestricted access to the code.
Microsoft has 37,000 paid employee's versus Linux's 200,000
free lancing, free contributing programmer/analysts.
By using Microsoft you will be guaranteed the HIND END
of technology. You will always be running on obsolete hardware
as they simply can't keep up with the needed coding changes.
Microsoft can't compete with Linux - example in the IA64 project
where HP donates code to GNU/LINUX IA64 to put it over a
year ahead of Microsoft in getting a ready OS. Linux is ready
for IA64 right now - see redhat ftp site! Microsoft will not
be ready until late next year!
#5. The cost. At Microsoft's current rate of inflation, by 2005 the
cost of the Microsoft operating system will be over $1,000 a copy.
And at that time, the US court system will break Microsoft into
two separate companies, one the OS company and one the applications
company. This will cause you to have to BUY your Microsoft
Operating system rather than just have it handed to you on your new
PC.
#6. The upgrade problem. In not one instance, since the inception of the
company has Microsoft recommended you stick with last OS's
applications
when you upgrade your OS. The recommendation is as previous OS
applications
will either not run properly OR not support new features of the new
OS you just installed. And this only magnifies the cost problem in
#5.
Most Microsoft 'innovations' are silly reincarnations of exhausting
old
ideas found on UNIX. See the security aspects of why Microsoft
is moving closer to UNIX every year!
It's either this or they've found a new way for your computer to
call
the internet using the modem! Usually something incredibly silly
which
forces the user to upgrade their applications to re-gain the
features
they had on the last OS or features which are COMMON to
LINUX USERS.
Considering the amount of crap the average company today has in
implementing a
MICROSOFT BUSINESS IDEA for their customers - DO WE REALLY NEED TO
GO FARTHER?
Most software developing companies have a stream of information about the
trials
and tribulations in implementing a MICROSOFT INSPIRED BUSINESS MODEL.
They ALL have enough information that the average 5 year old can determine
it's wrong.
They continue on because they have $$$ invested in Microsoft in the form of
software.
They believe that their $$$ in Microsoft solutions is something like either
fine wine or
GOLD JEWELRY and it has to be preserved and nurtured before it becomes
valuable.
$$$ in Microsoft is really VERY, VERY much more like cocaine in it's effect
on
corporate goals. They never meet their goals and in the end the projects
collapse
from financial pressures and customer complaints.
Software is the #1 budget item in every company in the world today.
http://24.94.254.33/Linux/intro.html
Charlie
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From: "James E. Freedle II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Real Linux Advocacy
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:20:06 -0400
I have been wondering, why use Linux? Of the several Linux distributions
that I have tried, none of them equaled Windows on my computer. At most the
functionality was close to DOS 5.0 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11. And do
not say stability, because Windows is perfectly stable even when I tax it
the most.
"Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8sctou$f5p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Also schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> :>You mean you have been posting Linux advocacy here for months and you
> :>just got Linux online?
>
> : You can be an advocate for something and yet not do it. I'm sure that
> : you advocate brain surgery, and it's quite obvious you've never done
> : that.
>
>
> I've always used a variety of OSen, advocating those that meet my
> needs excellently, and generally criticizing those that do not.
>
> My first posts regarding Linux (circa 1996 or thereabouts) were mildly
> negative, of the form "Linux has great potential but needs to overcome
> problems X, Y and Z before I will be able to make much use of it for
> my needs." Very often, I'd learn that these "problems" either
> reflected a limitation of my own understanding, had already been
> solved, or were in the process of being solved.
>
> Today Linux represents by far and away the best OS (out of the ones
> I've used) for most of my needs. The free *BSDs are almost as good
> (and in some instances better). The greatest part of their value to
> me stems directly or indirectly from their being free (aka
> open-source). Hence, it is extremely unlikely that any closed-source
> OS, no matter how could, could replace it.
>
> But because many of my present and past employers and clients believe
> that proprietary OSen better meet their needs, I'm often forced to use
> them. This actually is a plus for my advocacy work. Familiarity with
> other (and sometimes spectacularly horrid) OSen helps me to better
> appreciate the strengths of the ones I use when I have the choice.
>
>
> Joe
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Clearing things
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:22:09 GMT
Idoia Sainz wrote:
>
> Multiaccount POP/IMAP/SMTP mail GUI client with filters.
>
> Eudora, Outlook Express, Outlook, Pegasus <--- free
>
> kmail ? xfmail ? pine ? netscape ? mutt ? sendmail ?
> fetchmail ? procmail ? qmail ? Combine like you want
> to get the same that at Windows programs.
>
> Off-line per user suscriptions multiaccount NEWS GUI client .
>
> Outlook Express <--- free
>
> leafnode ? inn ? tin ? slrn ? netscape ? knews ? Combine like
> you want to achieve a final version as capable as Windows
> contrepart.
>
> Java, Java script, 128bits encryption GUI browser with off-line
> per-user capabilities (ActiveX and all that crap if possible).
>
> Internet Explorer <--- free
>
> netscape ? opera ? lynx ? mozilla ? arena ? Can't combine
> anything to reach Internet Explorer power.
>
> All that should leave clear that GNU/Linux is not a good desktop
> for the average user just because it lacks what Windows gives
> for free more powerful and easier to use.
Crawl back under your bridge TROLL.
--
Jim Broughton
(The Amiga OS! Now there was an OS)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
Following Air and Water the third most abundant
thing on the planet is Human Stupidity.
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