Linux-Advocacy Digest #753, Volume #33 Sat, 21 Apr 01 11:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Donn Miller)
Re: Anyone have any stats on how many times RedHat 7.1 is being downloaded? (Paul
Colquhoun)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Donn Miller)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Donn Miller)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("BJ")
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Exploit devastates WinNT/2K security (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Red Hat has become scary? ("ne...")
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Windows (Bob Hauck)
Re: Exploit devastates WinNT/2K security (Bob Hauck)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Chad Everett)
Re: Another story regarding XP and the dreaded Subscription model: (Roy Culley)
Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Chad Everett)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (Chad Everett)
Re: Aaron Kuklis Arrested! (Chad Everett)
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:12:01 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Nigel Feltham wrote:
> Linux has several good free games though such as pengus ( linux with
> penguins ) , Tuxcart (mariocart with penguins) or chromium ( similar to
> xenon - no penguins in this one).
Or else Wine may work with some Doze games. Wine now supports games
that use DirectX via the XFree86 DGA extension.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Subject: Re: Anyone have any stats on how many times RedHat 7.1 is being downloaded?
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:15:05 GMT
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 05:30:13 GMT, mmnnoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|I have done the same thing several times, but on a 28.8 modem
|(and if you think that's bragging I'm offended that you think
|I'm *that* geeky).
|
|If 7.1 is like earlier versions, isn't the 2nd CD just source? You
|might want the occasional source package, but you probably
|won't use more than a few.
No, not since 7.0
2 CDs of binary RPMs,
1 CD of source RPMs,
1 CD of documantation (in various languages)
1 CD of 'powertools' extra binary RPMs
and new with RedHat 7.1
1 CD of DMA (Developers Module Archive), basically a lot of CPAN,
+ Python modules, and some other stuff.
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
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xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:16:13 GMT
Monte Milanuk wrote:
>
> Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Man..that ladder logic is the wierdest way to program I've ever seen.
> > If you have never used it, it would seem strange. But just think, there
> > was automatic code generation before PCs. You can draw a diagram on your
> > display, and it starts running. The VM reads a line of the drawing and
> > executes it. Sort of like having a VM read a UML diagram and run the
> > code.
>
> As an ex-motor control electrician in a large steel mill, I have to agree.
> Ladder logic makes a lot of sense if you are trained in how to troubleshoot
> using electrical prints. Plus, the dirty little secret of PLC's and ladder
> logic programming as far as I'm concered is that it is dirt easy to bypass
> and circumvent failed field devices. No physical rewiring required. W/ a
> PLC and ladder logic, it's pretty easy to figure out where you need to
> modify things, and how. But to do the same w/ a regular programming
> language... maybe for a professional programmer it might be simple, but not
> for most technicians, I think. Not that tech's are stupid, just it's not a
> normal way of thinking for them. That, and most people that proficient at
> programming seem rather adverse to getting dirty on a regular basis ;p
>
> Monte
A good project for Linux open source would be a ladder logic
development/run-time enviornment. It should have provisions for
constructing and printing ladder diagrams. It should have a runtime
enviornment that intreprets the diagram routing signals to/from the
external hardware. For emergency situations, it should have provisions
for over-riding the state of objects (password required).
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:17:18 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Zorostorer wrote:
> Can I run commercial level applications like Softimage 3d, Protel, Orcad,
> Cadence, Hudini commercial applications on Linux (of course there are 100
I think Orcad might have a Linux port. Or, maybe you can run a lot of
these under Wine.
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:20:51 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Because some things are NOT well-suited for GUI operations, MORON.
I love the argument that Cygwin turns your Windows box into instant
unix.
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From: "BJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:18:25 -0500
"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:38:23 -0400,
> Scott Erb, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
> >
> >
> >Jim Richardson wrote:
> >
> >> The keyword you are looking for is dictatorship...
> >> Surely you don't expect an anarchist to approve of any state run
regime?
> >> or were you trying to claim that there is no similarity between fascism
and
> >> communism? which was the point of my post. If you wish to say that
there are
> >> (or were) some right leaning dictatorships as bad as the some left
leaning
> >> ones, I'd agree, but that doesn't make the left leaning ones any less
horrible.
> >
> >You raise some good points -- dictatorship in the name of Allah or Jesus
> >or any cause or creed shares some commonality in that centralized
> >governmental power enforces the beliefs of the leaders about how their
> >ideology should be implemented.
> >
> >Fascism and Communism as *ideologies* are very different. In practice,
> >things get murky. Socialist Kurt Schumacher, who (like most Social
> >Democrats) fought against Communists and Fascists in street fights in
> >Weimar Germany, and then was imprisioned by fascists for 12 years, after
> >which he fought against the Communist take over of East Germany, called
> >Stalinists and Soviet style communism "red lacquered fascism." He
> >didn't see a difference, he thought they were both fascist. Yet he was
> >a proud socialist and Marxist.
> >
> >So the point is that we can compare ideologies (in which case fascism
> >and communism are very different), governmental practices based on the
> >labels given (in which case there are some similarities, though as
> >fascism is an ideology based on irrationalism and anti-reason, it can
> >range from Franco's conservative pro-church fascism to Hitler's rabid
> >racism), or idealized views of how that ideology should look in practice
> >(whereas democratic socialists regard the East bloc as opposed to their
> >values). In any case, debates like these unfortunately tend to become
> >ones where labels are used to insult or ridicule, rather than understand
> >the differences between systems and how they function.
>
>
> I don't care what you call it, I don't care what philosophy backs it, if
it
> initiates force, it is statism, the only question is how bad.
> All governments are bad, are inherently evil, some are merely less evil
than
> others.
>
> --
> Jim Richardson
> Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
> WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
> Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
That's why the founding fathers wrote a constitution. The idea was to limit
the powers of government, but if 90% of the American people are brain dead,
what can you do?
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:30:09 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Charles Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Mind you, I can't vouch for the accuracy of that report. But is was
> > offered as proof that the crash wasn't the fault of the OS. "It was a
> > misbehaving application that caused the OS to crash." The Navy had to
> > clear the OS or justify to congress why it insisted on MS when most
> > contractors were saying it couldn't (or shouldn't) be done. The
> > contractor had to clear the OS because he promised that it could be
> > done. But he was late, and the Navy had to either cancel a test at a
> > loss of millions, or go to test with a beta version. So the vendor says
> > "we were only a little late, if they had just waited a few more days".
>
> This is all completely untrue.
>
> Read all the info collected by Jerry Pournelle on the issue
> http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/Yorktown.html
>
> The contractor in question also stated specifically that the navy had gone
> against their recomendation of installing newer software that didn't have
> the problem PRIOR to the event.
> http://www.sciam.com/1998/1198issue/1198techbus2.html
>
> "... the fault was with certain applications that were developed by CAE
> Electronics in Leesburg, Va. As Harvey McKelvey, former director of navy
> programs for CAE, admits, "If you want to put a stick in anybody's eye, it
> should be in ours." But McKelvey adds that the crash would not have happened
> if the navy had been using a production version of the CAE software, which
> he asserts has safeguards to prevent the type of failure that occurred. "
>
> You should also read the original article which is the source of all this:
> http://www.usni.org/Proceedings/digiorgio.htm
>
> Notice that in an article of great length, only 2 paragraphs are devoted to
> NT, and none of the say the OS crashed.
>
> Further, the same author that wrote the gcn article (which quotes from the
> usni article) also clarifies his statements in a followup article:
> http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/november9/6.htm
That last one is even worse than my story. A divide by zero in the
controller for a fuel valve caused the entire LAN to go down crashing 27
remotes? Industry (mostly) fixed that problem 30 years ago. For what its
worth, I had an NT machine I was working with bring down an entire LAN
of over 1000 machines. It was called the "ping of death". Some
applications could cause the NT software to start issuing network pings
at high speed. These faults often also caused a BSOD, but not always.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Exploit devastates WinNT/2K security
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:32:48 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Charles Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > Greg Copeland wrote:
> > >
> > > Hate to burst your bubble, but SMB is based on IBM's technology. Microsoft
> > > simply ran with it. Having said that, after you kick IBM and Microsoft,
> > > I do agree that NFS should of been what they used.
> > >
> > IBMer #1 : This doesn't work.
> > IBMer #2 : OK lets publish it. MS will steal it and screw themselves.
> >
> > This tactic is defined in chapter 5, paragraph 4, subparagraph 3, line 2
> > of the Spy vs. Spy handbook.
>
> I have a copy of Mad Magazine with the VERY FIRST Spy vs. Spy.
>
Has there ever been a collection of those printed?
>>SNIP for bandwidth<<
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:35:47 GMT
On Apr 21, 2001 at 13:15, Matthew Gardiner eloquently wrote:
><snype>
>>
>> It's a good thing the US Supreme Court didn't do this though. They
>> upheld the people's choice by not allowing the Democrats in Florida
>> to manufacture votes only in counties they thought they could
>> control the voting in. In the US, our presidents are elected by
>> the Electoral College. In turns out, of course, after some of the
>> media recounts done in the last couple of months that Bush did,
>> in fact, win Florida...and the Electoral College. Of course
>> everyone knew this in November too.
>>
>> By the way, when are you New Zealanders going to get a constitution?
>
>Hmm, good question, when are we going to get one? Every time there is a
>discussion some prick always wants to have a "committee" to discuss
>things, thus slowing things down even more. Well as far as I know, we
>go by the UK Constitution, and we have a couple of extra laws surround
>it, such as the Human Rights Act and the Treaty of Waitangi, which form
>the basis of the government and legal system. As for the election, it
>hasn't happened yet, however, in normal parliamentary circumstances the
>governor general would dissolve parliament and call for a fresh
>election.
The UK hasn't got a constitution. At least not a wriiten one.
Tho it might seem otherwise with the EU taking over everything
these days.
--
Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org)
Truth can wait; he's used to it.
10:34am up 9:54, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Windows
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:43:46 GMT
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:46:08 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I prefer my Happy Hacker keyboard.
I've been kind of thinking about trying one of those. Does the
different layout cause you problems when you switch computers?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Exploit devastates WinNT/2K security
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:43:49 GMT
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:26:31 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:38:16 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Microsoft love re-inventing the wheel over and over again. There was a
> > > perfectly adequate file sharing protocol, called NFS which all UNIX's
> > The NFS security model works ok for an environment where users are on
> > terminals (X or plain) hanging off one of a group of mainframes that
> > are all under central administration. It is lousy for a PC-style
> > computing environment.
>
> With that being said, aren't we gradually moving back to centralised
> computing with technologies such as dot-net, One.net and numerous
> reiterations. The old yo-yo of technology, bash old technology, then 20
> years later, welcome it back as if it was a new idea.
To some extent. It is a bit like fashion though. The same ideas come
around over and over, but slightly changed each time. Bell-bottoms and
tie-dye are back, but not the same as they were in the 70's. If you had
saved your old stuff, you'd still be out of style.
The big reason PC's caught on so much in business was that the user
could cook up or purchase his own solutions as needed. No waiting for
IT to get around to writing a set of screens to generate your report.
And as long as they were used for that, they made sense. But then,
somebody got the idea that we didn't need the centralized computer at
all, that it could be replaced with networks of PC's. That didn't work
out so well. Networks of PC's proved nearly impossible to manage
effectively, lincensing and control of all the software as demanded by
the vendors being one of the big issues.
So now, we're heading back to a more centralized model, only slightly
different from the old one. Flexibility and end-user customization is
much more important now than it was before. And since the terminals are
a lot more powerful, it becomes possible to make them do more of the
work, so application development is different from what it was.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 Apr 2001 09:31:18 -0500
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:12:14 +0100, Ace Agincourt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi Don,
>
>On 21 Apr 2001 01:26:52 GMT,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
>put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing:
>
>? On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:11:05 +0100, Ace Agincourt wrote:
>? > Hi Roberto,
>?
>? > Serbia was at war with the Kosovas. Are you claiming that the mass
>? > murders did not occur.
>?
>? They are mass *murders* only if they are war *crimes*, ie they are
>? unlawful even in the context of war. Are you claiming the mass murders
>? were not war crimes ?
>
>
>Should, then, Lord Walworth have been tried for war crimes after he
>murdered Wat Tyler? Who would have intervened in England's private
>affairs?
>
>
>?
>? > Also, Hitler went to war against the Jews.
>? > Are you a holocaust denier?
>?
>? The NAZIs were tried as war *criminals*, meaning their killings were found
>? to be unlwaful.
>
>
>Under whose authority? Should Bill Clinton be forced to stand trial
>for his war crimes: the bombing of a Sudanese Pharmaceutical plant and
>the associated maimings, and the bombing of an Afghan youth training
>centre and its associated murders?
>
>
Go for it. I doubt you'll get much support from World Courts though.
The authority is the same one that has gotten ol' Slobo indicted.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Subject: Re: Another story regarding XP and the dreaded Subscription model:
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:57:21 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1284000/1284054.stm
>
> Although not incredibly indepth, it does cover the main issues
> concerning customers.
I like the last sentence:
"Microsoft has never had an excellent track record
on security."
Typical british understatement. What they really wanted to say was:
"Microsoft has never had a track record on security."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:32:28 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:15:20 +1200...
...and Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hmm, good question, when are we going to get one? Every time there is a
> discussion some prick always wants to have a "committee" to discuss
> things, thus slowing things down even more. Well as far as I know, we
> go by the UK Constitution
There is no such thing as a constitution for the United Kingdom if you
don't count the Magna Carta.
mawa
--
The utility of a fancy Web browser is damn near zero compared with the
utility of a really good text editor.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:31:38 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:54:13 +1200...
...and Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I would, however, its funny the US never did anything about during the
> > > 15 years of hell in Germany.
> >
> > Huh? If you mean the Nazi tyranny, that was a mere 12 years, and hell
> > yes, the US did something about it -- late, but they did. They helped
> > give us a goddamn democracy, after all.
> Names of dictators that killed thousands, yet, not one word from the US:
>
> Pol Pot
> Alberto Penche
> Stalin
>
> If you are going to jump up on ya soap box and declare war on those who
> oppress the masses, please do it consistency.
So you argue that the US should have stayed out of World War Two
because it is obvious that no single nation, not even them, can take
on all present and future dictators?
mawa
--
The utility of a fancy Web browser is damn near zero compared with the
utility of a really good text editor.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 Apr 2001 09:32:25 -0500
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:22:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ace Agincourt wrote:
>>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> On 21 Apr 2001 01:26:52 GMT,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
>> put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing:
>>
>> ? On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:11:05 +0100, Ace Agincourt wrote:
>> ? > Hi Roberto,
>> ?
>> ? > Serbia was at war with the Kosovas. Are you claiming that the mass
>> ? > murders did not occur.
>> ?
>> ? They are mass *murders* only if they are war *crimes*, ie they are
>> ? unlawful even in the context of war. Are you claiming the mass murders
>> ? were not war crimes ?
>>
>> Should, then, Lord Walworth have been tried for war crimes after he
>> murdered Wat Tyler? Who would have intervened in England's private
>> affairs?
>>
>> ?
>> ? > Also, Hitler went to war against the Jews.
>> ? > Are you a holocaust denier?
>> ?
>> ? The NAZIs were tried as war *criminals*, meaning their killings were found
>> ? to be unlwaful.
>>
>> Under whose authority? Should Bill Clinton be forced to stand trial
>> for his war crimes: the bombing of a Sudanese Pharmaceutical plant and
>
>Yes.
>
>He should also be put on trial for Treason.
>
>And sentanced to hanging by his testicles.
>
But that's up to a US authority, not a World authority.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 Apr 2001 09:43:37 -0500
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 04:48:09 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> "JS PL" <hi everybody!> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > "Roy Culley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > > "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > > >
>> > > > OT prediction:.
>> > > >
>> > > > The coming U.S./China war will last 12 days. China will be bombed into
>> > the
>> > > > stone age and there will be 1000 years of peace.
>> > >
>> > > You really are a pillock. The US tried bombing vietnam and cambodia and
>> > > failed miserably. Now lets see how much bigger is china than these
>> > > little countries? If it was anyone else I would assume this was tongue
>> > > in cheek but I really think you are serious. Pillock indeed.
>> >
>> > Oh... I guess you forgot, the U.S never tried to win in Vietnam.
>> >
>> > The prediction above is more like an inner wish anyway, because I hate
>> > China, always have. But.....all it takes is one attempt at a nuclear strike
>> > from China, which is possible, followed by George Bush's VOW to launch a
>> > full scale retaliatory counter strike. He's already been asked what he would
>> > do in the event of a nuclear strike and answered that he'd automatically
>> > strike back. (Readers Digest, campaign interview).
>>
>> I feel much better about the China situation now without Clinton in office.
>> Clinton was giving them technology left and right. About 2 years ago,
>> they were 10-15 years from having theatre ballistic missle launch capability.
>> They didn't have the advanced rocketry to send a missle into space and
>> have it land halway across the planet. Thanks to Clinton, they now have
>> missles pointed at Los Angeles and San Fransico. Before, they could reach
>> Japan, Korea and Taiwan.
>
>And lets not forget the designs for warheads to put into those missiles.
>
>Klinton should be tried for treason, and upon being found guilty,
>hung by his testicle and then shot.
>
Of course, that sort of punishment is unconstitutional in the US.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: Aaron Kuklis Arrested!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 Apr 2001 09:45:46 -0500
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:09:15 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Donn Miller wrote:
>>
>> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>>
>> > Linux advocate running Windows 98. If you talk the talk, walk the walk,
>> > other wise keep ya trap shut.
>>
>> See, that's part of the problem. There's a glut of Windows jobs in my
>> area. Dammit, I wish there were more Linux and FreeBSD jobs in the
>> world. I think universities should start installing FreeBSD and Linux
>> machines in their computer labs. Just add a few machines that are
>> running unix, but don't replace them all. I'd want to use those
>> machines. We've got to get people off of their Windows-addiction,
>> because the Windows hologram has been firmly stamped into their brains
>> (much like George Orwell's novel).
>>
>> Microsoft is indeed the "big brother" you have been hearing about in
>> "1984". Ironicaly, Windows 1.0 was close to completion in 1984. I
>> wouldn't be too surprised to hear that Microsoft's next move is to stamp
>> some kind of activation code into Windows' customers brains. That way,
>> we'd all be walking mindless druids saying stupid things like "Bill
>> Gates is a brilliant computer scientist" (as if there aren't enough
>> Microsoft shills doing that as it is now).
>
>There are tonnes of UNIX and Linux Jobs in New Zealand. Why not go for
>one? Got Novell Netware experience, there are demand for people with
>skills in that area too.
>
Novell Netware is dead. Why train and work in a dead technology.
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