Linux-Advocacy Digest #753, Volume #31 Fri, 26 Jan 01 20:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: All this Whistler stuff. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft "INNOVATES" again! (Karel Jansens)
Re: Windows 2000 (Karel Jansens)
Re: Does Code Decay (Russ Lyttle)
Re: Getting first W2K server ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Poor Linux (Hugh Gibson)
Re: (OT) linux ftp clients (was re: linux is crude and inconsistent) (Charlie Ebert)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Brian V. Smith)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others ("Otto")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:10:20 -0500
Harlan Grove wrote:
>
> In article <94snje$ekf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> ...
> >Wasnt there something about a government BY the people and FOR the
> >people written down somewhere?
> ...
>
> The US is a republic not a democracy. Kindly read the Federalist Papers
> for the rationale behind not trusting the populace. It has a government
> of laws, and the laws in the state of Florida were fairly clear, and
> the polling stations had signs giving instructions that voters should
> make sure that their ballots were punched through and to remove hanging
> chads. And if they double-punched, they could ask for new ballot papers.
>
> Maybe there's a good reason for literacy tests after all.
Personally, I think that EVERYONE in America should have to apply for
citizenship, just like immigrants.
How many of the "government owes me a paycheck for my mere existance"
ignorami would be prevented from voting until they demonstrated an
understanding of our history and Constitution in a Citizenship application.
Odds are, the Demoncrooks would quit pandering to the lazy welfare
crowd....as these idiots wouldn't EVER pass the requirements of
citizenship if they weren't granted them by an unfortunate accident
of birth.
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:13:15 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <94snje$ekf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> > ...
> >>Wasnt there something about a government BY the people and FOR the
> >>people written down somewhere?
> > ...
>
> > The US is a republic not a democracy. Kindly read the Federalist Papers
> > for the rationale behind not trusting the populace. It has a government
> > of laws, and the laws in the state of Florida were fairly clear, and
> > the polling stations had signs giving instructions that voters should
> > make sure that their ballots were punched through and to remove hanging
> > chads. And if they double-punched, they could ask for new ballot papers.
>
> Ah, you dont have a very good understanding of what happened in florida.
>
The Demoncrook tyrants^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hjustices sitting on the Florida Supreme
Starchamber tried to overturn state Election law in VIOLATION of well-established
Federal Law.
Demoncrook county election officials aided and abetted in the process.
> You're one of those insane federalists who believes that his government
> is incapable of doing any sort of wrong, arent you?
You're a shithead. The whole Constitution is founded upon the principle
that government can't be trusted....least of all those individuals in
government who LIKE being a part of it.
>
> I'll bet you believe in god too, dontcha?
>
> Thats very sweet.
>
> > Maybe there's a good reason for literacy tests after all.
>
> Perhaps. But ill put my verbal SAT score up against yours or anyone
> elses, any time.
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:15:02 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Certain countries (Norway comes to mind) are very friendly towards
> > choice and freedom, but not 'Europe' in general.
>
> Netherlands: all the freedom of norway with 1. half the taxes and
> 2. more to do.
Heh heh heh.
The only army in the world that's unionized, too.
The army Union negotiated that they don't have to get haircuts unless
they are actually getting mobilized.
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: All this Whistler stuff.
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:16:07 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> Martigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > News articles around are claming this thing to be the greatest invention
> > around. What I want know is if it is so great, an you can do so many things
> > with it, why can't you customize it, i.e. the kernel? Cuz M$ don't want you
> > to know! Plus is it is so great then why will there be a SR-1 about four
> > months after it's release?
>
> I would like to know exactly what it can do that MacX cannot.
>
> I would like to know all about microsoft's "inventiveness" in
> this case.
The usual OEM and Corporate end-user extortion routine...
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft "INNOVATES" again!
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:04:04 +0100
Lloyd Llewellyn wrote:
>
> Microsoft has proved its superior INNOVATION skills once again by coming out
> with a new, highly secret feature in Whistler!
>
> This new exotic feature is a kind of "skin" or "theme" system that can change
> the look and feel of the entire interface of the operating system! Oh my god,
> that is so revolutionary! I can barely comprehend it! I'll bet those Linsux
> Lusers will be drooling over this! They will have to admit defeat now!
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2678102,00.html
>
> "But Microsoft has clamped down in recent days, to the extent that it is not
> allowing testers to view the code and interfaces of the most recent updates in
> order to keep the interface changes from leaking out, according to testers.
>
> Despite Microsoft's precautions, word is quickly leaking out about the intended
> changes.
>
> One tester said Microsoft is changing the Whistler desktop interface by
> introducing some type of "extensible shell," or graphical user interface, based
> on Microsoft .Net. Microsoft also is readying some type of new Windows desktop
> user theme, code-named Luna, as part of its revamp, according to several
> testers.
>
> Desktop themes are user-selectable settings that affect the look and feel of all
> elements of a user's desktop, from the background wallpaper to the cursor.
> Microsoft provides a number of themes as part of Windows. Some third-party
> software makers, such as Stardock, also provide a variety of themes, or skins,
> for Windows."
Interesting.
I remember when Stardock left the OS/2 scene and started selling a
Windows version of Object Desktop (probably using another, "cool" name
for it), a lot of OS/2 advocates warned them for the Microsoft
"embrace and diminuish" strategy. Brad Wardell (of Stardock) said at
the time that this would never happen to them, because it was not a
field Microsoft would be interested in. He was warned that Microsoft
is pretty much interested in _anything_ they do not sell themselves.
I'd laugh now, if it weren't so sad...
Regards,
Karel Jansens
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:52:50 +0100
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
>
> So why would anyone come out with a "new version" which used wine when
> they already had native code? And why wouldn't you think its a bit more
> than a coincidence when they are very soon thereafter "bought" by
> Microsoft? You don't actually think MS might have had a "meeting" or
> something with them, do you?
>
The "native" linux versions of WordPerfect (6, 7 and 8) (*) were done
by SDC (Software Development Corporation), a company that was set up
by a bunch of old WordPerfect Corp employees. Corel does not own the
codebase of those versions and there were significant (and very
visible) differences between the Corel (windows) versions of
WordPerfect and the SDC linux versions.
It is my understanding that Corel wanted more control over the linux
versions of WordPerfect (or possibly that SDC went belly-up), hence
the Wine-based port of PerfectOffice 2000.
Bit of a shame, really. WP8 is a decent product: not overly stable
(but rock solid when compared to WineOffice!) and IMHO a bit of a dog
when it comes to soft font support, but it truly gives you that good
ole' WordPerfect feel on linux. It would have been even better if SDC
hadn't built it with Motif.
Regards,
Karel Jansens
(*) It is my understanding that the code is still largely based on
WordPerfect 5.1 for NeXT which, as wordprocessors go, is as close as
you ever get to a Dream Come True.
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does Code Decay
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:25:46 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Donn Miller wrote:
> >
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > > Yes and no. Code itself doesn't decay, but it's associations can.
> >
> > Well, the biggest thing is if the code in question is C or C++. Code
> > that is really old may not compile on C99 compliant compilers, for
> > example. Back in the old days, it was (AFAIK) common to declare main as
> > either main(){/*implicit int*/} or void main(){}. Also, remember
> > function declarations back in the old days? Modern C compilers may not
> > even compile them, and C++ compilers will NOT compile "classic style"
> > (K&R) functions.
> >
> > It could get pretty messy with old C code that omitted the "int" type,
> > because there was an "implicit int" rule back then where a variable was
> > automatically assumed to be an int when no type specifier was used.
>
> That would have to be REALLY old.
>
> Even the 4.2BSD C compiler (ca 1981) would refuse to compile anything
> with an undeclared variable.
>
> > Assuming you had a managerie of K&R function declarations with lots of
> > implicit ints, it could get ugly.
> >
> > Also, I've had problems with older C++ code compiling on recent versions
> > of g++, because g++ was not strict enough when gcc 2.7.* was
> > commonplace. C++ standards evolve quite rapidly enough that 10 year-old
> > C++ code could be a bear to bring up to date. Or, try converting 10+
> > yeard old C code to C++.
> >
> > So yes, in a sense, code does decay, but probably not as rapidly as MS
> > is claiming. C/C++ code is like an automobile. If you don't keep it
> > maintained and up-to-date, it becomes harder to maintain later on in its
> > life, and could very well end up in the junkyard.
>
> MS is merely creating a myth for the purpose of obfuscating that they
> are too inept to develop and maintain an enduring API and enduring
> data formats (.doc, .xls, etc.)
>
I agree if you mean that MS is distorting real effects to create a myth.
It seems that MS operating systems do decay. But that is due solely to
MS I just hope the Linux community takes heed and avoids the problem.
> >
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>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting first W2K server
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:24:15 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > : So it wasn't DDoS as the Windows people have been saying?
> >
> > : Hmm, the last time I checked, having your website down for 24 hours is
> > : a *major* security hole. Especially since windowsupdate was down, as
> > : were all the service packs, people's e-mail and such.
> >
> > Having a website down is not a security hole at all, but it might
> > be the *result* of a security hole (someone breaks in and then
> > disables your system.) In fact, just the opposite - each
> > network service you disable increases security, until you get
> > the degenerate case where nothing works on the network, and then
> > you are secure (and are ready to try for a C2 certification).
>
> Having your website down *is* a security hole, for all your customers
> that need to update their software. It's even worse than a security
> hole that only affects the company itself, because you're putting
> those that use your goods at risk.
>
> Microsoft published a SMB patch to Windows 98-Me this week -- who
> knows how many were affected because they couldn't run windows update
> for that period of time.
>
> Now Microsoft wants to publish applications over the internet (.NET);
> wouldn't this be nice on the day before your paper is due?
>
Cooooool idea. Maybe it will result in MILLIONS of college students
getting THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED with Microshaft by the time they graduate.
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Hugh Gibson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Poor Linux
Date: 26 Jan 2001 19:28:01 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> when I first went over to Linux, I bought a UDMA 66 hard drive, and SuSE
> Linux.
> It installed first time.
SLackware 7.1: hdparm = 1 and I'm away.
It's Very dangerous to set UDMA as default, as you can get a seriously
scrambled hdd if it doesn't work properly... hence the caution.
As it turns out, there is only a 50% gain over the port modes, as
these have been optimised so much (at least in Linux), so you're not missing
a lot (my own measurements on an Athlon 1G / IBM 40GByte )
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: (OT) linux ftp clients (was re: linux is crude and inconsistent)
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:30:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mart van deWege wrote:
>T. Max Devlin wrote:
>
>
>> TBH, five bucks on a $1800 computer is so little that, if I planned to
>>
>> use StarOffice, I just might pay them simply to have it pre-installed.
>>
>> But I don't mind waiting, either (or didn't, when I had Gozilla; does
>>
>> RH7's ftp client support resume?)
>>
>>
>>
>> [...]
>
>Max,
>
>To be fair, the default linux ftp client is just the good old
>UNIX ftp command, it doesn't support resume. However, if you get
>the full set of RH7 you might get lucky and get gFTP included, a
>Gnome-based grapical client, and one of the best around.
>Otherwise it is available in RPM format so you can download and
>install it without a hassle.
>If you have more questions, fire away. I am no linux guru, but
>I've taken my knocks and I know a fair bit about both RH and
>Debian, so I may be of some assistance.
>
>Mart
>
NCFTP and NCFTP2 both support resume.
And I think they are on every distribution.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:37:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> [nothing intelligent]
>
>THOLEN!
>JUST GO JUMP IN THE GODDAMNED VOLCANO, YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT!
>
tholen is definitely mentally sick.
He's been doing this since the early 90's.
Perhaps earlier than that.
I do not understand why anybody would waste their
time with this crap for a decade or more
when they could just kill themselves and be
done with their worthless miserable lives?
But then again, I wonder the same of the Windows
community...
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:40:50 -0000
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:10:20 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Harlan Grove wrote:
>>
>> In article <94snje$ekf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>> ...
>> >Wasnt there something about a government BY the people and FOR the
>> >people written down somewhere?
>> ...
>>
>> The US is a republic not a democracy. Kindly read the Federalist Papers
>> for the rationale behind not trusting the populace. It has a government
>> of laws, and the laws in the state of Florida were fairly clear, and
>> the polling stations had signs giving instructions that voters should
>> make sure that their ballots were punched through and to remove hanging
>> chads. And if they double-punched, they could ask for new ballot papers.
>>
>> Maybe there's a good reason for literacy tests after all.
>
>Personally, I think that EVERYONE in America should have to apply for
>citizenship, just like immigrants.
>
>How many of the "government owes me a paycheck for my mere existance"
>ignorami would be prevented from voting until they demonstrated an
>understanding of our history and Constitution in a Citizenship application.
What makes you think that such people even bother to vote?
[deletia]
--
>> Yes. And the mailer should never hand off directly to a program
>> that allows the content to take control.
>
>Well most mailers can, so I guess they all suck too.
Yup.
Candy from strangers should be treated as such.
|||
/ | \
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian V. Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 27 Jan 2001 00:50:57 GMT
In article <94t2pg$dk4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
|> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> > Irrelevant. (Oh, but "ill"/"elses," or were these just typos when you
|> > meant "I'll"/"else's"?)
|>
|> They werent typos, and thats not what I meant. Read my other posts in
|> this thread.
If they weren't typos and that wasn't what you meant then what does "ill" and "elses"
mean?
It isn't English.
--
===============================================================
Brian V. Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www-epb.lbl.gov/BVSmith
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
I don't speak for LBL; they don't pay me enough for that.
Check out the xfig site at http://www-epb.lbl.gov/xfig
To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the
glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big
as it needs to be.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:03:40 GMT
ono wrote:
>
> Not exactly. I just knew that there existed a product called visio, I just
> didn't know it was that good. When ms bought it and integrated it into it's
> office line I gave it a try and liked it immediately.
Yeah, MS bought a good product.
> What I like about
> office is that all products fit nicely together,
Welllllll, okay.
> that you get cool and solid
> installers
I agree to some extent.
> and that they are a lot more stable then the competition
Whom is the competition you speak of?
> (unless
> you install crapy software on the same box). The reason I started to give
> the ms-only pc a try was because of netscape 4.0.. (which really messed up
> my machine!).
Netscape does have some problems. I've used the latest version only
on Linux, and it has some internal flaws and one big boner (awful
mistake) with the address book.
>> > making files edited in Visio 2000 unable to be read in Visio 5, those
> > lock-in lunatics!), the software is magically copacetic?
> Don't know the word 'copacetic' (and outlook express doesn't have a built in
> translator). You should take it easy with me, English is not my first
> language.
Sorry. Copacetic is english slang for "excellent".
> Btw: backward compatibility doesn't bother me because I'm running the latest
> and greatest.
Unfortunately, not everyone likes having to lay down money periodically
and then finding out they have to keep using the old version to keep
their customers happy. Or vice versa.
Maybe XML format will make the compatibility a little better, but it
seems like compatibility is no longer an issue with Microsoft.
People will keep buying. And no one can easily keep up with their
churning changes.
> Btw2: I think they do a really good job at trying. I'd be happy my sw was
> that much backward-compatible ;-).
Word seems to change radically with every new version.
Microsoft does put a lot of effort towards whatever they try to do.
I just think their goals are often selfish, to the detriment of the customer
and his/her pocketbook. Like, we'll probably have to shell out for the
new version of Visio from Microsoft because our client bought it, and
we're still using the old version, and cannot access their Visio
documents. We would prefer to devote our money to more important things.
Sigh. Or, we may have the option of annoying them by asking them to
save-as the old version format.
Chris
--
Flipping the Bozo bit at 400 MHz
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Reply-To: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:06:41 GMT
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a70a38a$0$45752$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:
: "Aaron Ginn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: > "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: >
: > > http://betanews.efront.com/article.php3?sid=980449212
: > >
: > > Kaspersky Lab's is now reporting that the Linux-based virus 'Ramen' is
: now
: > > "in the wild." The firm sent word around the net today that several
Web
: > > sites have now been defaced by the malicious code, enough to up its
: status
: > > to "in the wild". Places affected by the bug include NASA, Texas A&M,
: and
: > > Supermicro. As of right now, the worm only seems to be affecting
Redhat
: 6.2
: > > and 7.0 versions of Linux.
: >
: <snip>
: >
: > No OS is secure if the administrators ignore sercurity patches. There
: > are all kinds of Red Hat servers that are unaffected because they have
: > been properly administered.
: >
: >
: > > Perhaps the most unsettling piece of this puzzle is that Redhat has
: known
: > > about the problem for more than six months.
: >
: >
: > Wow, guess what? Red Hat has had fixes for over 4 months. What are
: > they supposed to do, personally visit every site that uses Red Hat and
:
: can I quote you these comments back if there is a IIS website hacked cause
: the operator didn't keep up on the latest updates?
No, that's different... :)
Otto
:
:
:
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