Linux-Advocacy Digest #753, Volume #32 Sun, 11 Mar 01 02:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: What is user friendly? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: What is user friendly? (Brock Hannibal)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Scott Gardner)
Re: Microsoft & GM (Rex Ballard)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Scott Gardner)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows... (Pete Goodwin)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:30:20 -0500
Brock Hannibal wrote:
>
> Anonymous wrote:
> >
> > aaron wrote:
> > > Anonymous wrote:
> > > >
> > > > aaron wrote:
> > > > > Anonymous wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > aaron wrote:
> > > > > > > If you were to follow around one IQ-100 person all day, you would
> > > > > > > be appalled by the vast number of incredibly stupid things they do
> > > > > > > in the course of a day, and how many completely fucking obvious
> > > > > > > connections they miss, how many winning opportunities they pass
> > > > > > > up (because they either don't understand them, or they fail to
> > > > > > > even recognize that the opportunity exists in the first place).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > now you know why i usually don't read your messages
> > > > > > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> > > > > >
> > > > > > p.s. windows is a pretty cool operating system
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Only in comparison to DOS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Compared to anything else, Windows is comparable to a Formula-1 body
> > > > > slapped on top of a Ford Pinto with a sand-injection oil system
> > > > > and water-contaminated brake-lines.
> > > >
> > > > amiga: dead
> > > > beos: fringe
> > > > mac: fringe
> > > > os2: dead
> > > > next: dead
> > > > unix: user hostile
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > Microsoft propaganda.
> >
> > no, personal experience.
> > a generally impassable learning curve = user hostile.
> > i was using windows to get work done ten minutes after installation.
> > u can't touch this
> >
> > > Unix has had fully functional GUI's since the mid 1980's.
> >
> > xwindows?
> > nerdo please...
> >
> > > Not only that, but Unix is very very very consistant; in contrast, DOS and
>Windows
> > > both have lots of arbitrary rules with even more exceptions.
> >
> > why, if that is the case, are they so much easier to use?
> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> Windows is only easier to use for a certain class of tasks, mostly
> rather mundane ones. DOS was no easier to use than Unix. Once a
> certain subset of Unix commands are learned it becomes very easy to
> use, but you're right about the steep learning curve. Power comes
Any 1990 or later Unix GUI has the *SAME* shallow learning curve
as Windows....but without the low productivity ceiling that Windows
imposes because you STILL have the full-blown power of a Unix system
behind that GUI.
> with a price, always. Oh, and word processors, spreadsheets, email
> and so forth running under Unix can have the identical GUI based
> interfaces as Windows, if one wishes. The easiest and most intuitive
> Gui-based operating system is MacOs, in my opinion, but once again
> it's not suitable for real scientific and engineering work because
> of the lack of powerful applications programs.
>
> --
> Brock
>
> "Put a $20 gold piece on my watch chain so the boys'll know I died
> standin' pat"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:34:00 -0500
Scott Gardner wrote:
>
> On 9 Mar 2001 23:16:56 GMT, Steve Mading
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >In comp.os.linux.advocacy Scott Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >: True. Hollywood is one of my almost-pet-peeves. (I only allow myself
> >: three or four full-blown pet peeves, so I have to be selective about
> >: what I let bother me.)
> >: Why is that we (speaking about the American culture here) pay these
> >: people millions of dollars, practically worship them as dieties or
> >: royalty, pay them to endorse our products, and generally emulate the
> >: hell out of them when their only talent that they exercise publicly is
> >: their ability to act!?!? I know that some of them have other
> >: talents--hell, Kris Kristofferson was a Rhodes scholar, for goodness
> >: sakes, but he's not famous for his thinking, he's famous for reciting
> >: lines given to him by a writer! I've always wondered if the writers
> >: for the show "Friends" get to wash the stars' Porsches as part of
> >: their contract!
> >
> >It seems that the best shows on TV are the ones where the actors also
> >participate in the scriptwriting. I don't necessarily think this is
> >because they make better scripts, but because it's a litmus test that
> >ensures the actor knows more than one aspect of his field, and isn't
> >a moron.
> >
> I've stopped trying to figure out what makes a "best show". My
> favorite show is "Law & Order" which, after umpteen years, has finally
> lost the last of the original cast members. So it must be the
> writing, right? Well, some of the episodes are as predictable and
> trite as the worst TV has to offer. But for whatever reason, the show
> works for me, and millions of other people. I don't think the
> producers even know what makes a show successful, or they'd have it
> down to a science by now.
Law & Order works because it's NOT a "mystery" show...it's a
"how to piece together the evidence AND get it into a court room
in such a way as to get a successful prosecution."
Yes, sometimes there are "dead-ends" to finding who is really at
fault...but....the neat thing about the show is that it's NOT a
predictable pattern to ever episode....if the suspect is rather
obvious, then there ends up being some other snag....such as
highly incriminating evidence being thrown out for some
reason or another....and so, the episode focuses on finding some
NEW evidence which will provide equally persuasive proof to
present to a jury.
>
> Scott
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:31:05 -0800
From: Brock Hannibal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Brock Hannibal wrote:
> >
> > Anonymous wrote:
> > >
> > > aaron wrote:
> > > > Anonymous wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > aaron wrote:
> > > > > > Anonymous wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > aaron wrote:
> > > > > > > > If you were to follow around one IQ-100 person all day, you would
> > > > > > > > be appalled by the vast number of incredibly stupid things they do
> > > > > > > > in the course of a day, and how many completely fucking obvious
> > > > > > > > connections they miss, how many winning opportunities they pass
> > > > > > > > up (because they either don't understand them, or they fail to
> > > > > > > > even recognize that the opportunity exists in the first place).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > now you know why i usually don't read your messages
> > > > > > > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > p.s. windows is a pretty cool operating system
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Only in comparison to DOS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Compared to anything else, Windows is comparable to a Formula-1 body
> > > > > > slapped on top of a Ford Pinto with a sand-injection oil system
> > > > > > and water-contaminated brake-lines.
> > > > >
> > > > > amiga: dead
> > > > > beos: fringe
> > > > > mac: fringe
> > > > > os2: dead
> > > > > next: dead
> > > > > unix: user hostile
> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > Microsoft propaganda.
> > >
> > > no, personal experience.
> > > a generally impassable learning curve = user hostile.
> > > i was using windows to get work done ten minutes after installation.
> > > u can't touch this
> > >
> > > > Unix has had fully functional GUI's since the mid 1980's.
> > >
> > > xwindows?
> > > nerdo please...
> > >
> > > > Not only that, but Unix is very very very consistant; in contrast, DOS and
>Windows
> > > > both have lots of arbitrary rules with even more exceptions.
> > >
> > > why, if that is the case, are they so much easier to use?
> > > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >
> > Windows is only easier to use for a certain class of tasks, mostly
> > rather mundane ones. DOS was no easier to use than Unix. Once a
> > certain subset of Unix commands are learned it becomes very easy to
> > use, but you're right about the steep learning curve. Power comes
>
> Any 1990 or later Unix GUI has the *SAME* shallow learning curve
> as Windows....but without the low productivity ceiling that Windows
> imposes because you STILL have the full-blown power of a Unix system
> behind that GUI.
Oh I was referring more to the shell commands, aliasing and
scripting that a user needs to learn to take advantage of the full
power of Unix workstations and networked computers. Yes, the Gui's
are just as easy if not easier than Windows Gui's.
BTW Aaron, are you guys supporting lsf these days where you work?
--
Brock, power Unix user since 1980.
"Put a $20 gold piece on my watch chain so the boys'll know I died
standin' pat"
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gardner)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:13:08 GMT
>> Jeez, I thought I told the Gauss story pretty well. If you go back to
>> my original post, I acknowledged that Gauss' solution probably didn't
>> take as long as his classmates' solution, but I also said that even if
>> it HAD taken him longer, his would have still been the more
>> intelligent, elegant solution, thus trying to refute statements from
>> earlier posts that "solved is solved", or that the first solution is
>> necessarily the best.
>
>Then how does this fit into your argument for the existance of
>stupid people who routinely come up with brilliant solutions?
Check your attributions. I've never made any such assertions.
Scott
>
>
>>
>> Scott Gardner
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
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From: Rex Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.conspiracy.microsoft,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Microsoft & GM
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:15:53 -0500
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What makes this even more ironic is that it actually happened about the
same
time that Windows 3.0 came out. There have been a few new
embellishments
(the start button remark was added when Windows 95 came out).
Terence Kam wrote:
>
> At a recent computer expo. in Las Vegas (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly
> compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated "If GM had
> kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be
> driving $2500 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon." In response to
> Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating: If GM had
> developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the
> following characteristics:
>
> 1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
>
> 2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a
> new car.
>
> 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would
> have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the car windows,
> restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some
> reason you would simply accept this.
>
> 4. Occasionally, executing a manoeuvre such as a left turn would cause your
> car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to
> reinstall the engine.
>
> 5. Only one person at a time could use the car unless you bought "CarNT,"
> but then you would have to buy more seats.
>
> 6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable,
> five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would only run on five
> percent of the roads.
>
> 7. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be
> replaced by a single "General Protection Fault" warning light.
>
> 8. New seats would force everyone to have the same sized butt.
>
> 9. The airbag system would ask "are you SURE?" before deploying.
>
> 10. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and
> refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned
> the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
>
> 11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand
> McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need nor
> want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the
> car's performance to diminish by 50% or more. Moreover, GM would become a
> target for investigation by the Justice Dept.
>
> 12. Every time GM introduced a new car, car buyers would have to learn to
> drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same
> manner as the old car.
>
> 13. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.
--
Rex Ballard
It Architect
http://www.open4success.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gardner)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:20:13 GMT
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:04:02 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> That's funny since my understanding of it matches what you
>> just posted. Read the last sentence in my above quoted
>> paragraph again. Note that I SAID Karl had his answer first.
>
>
>You implied that Karl's solution somehow made a case for the
>superior answers by stupid people.
>
>The unspoken assumption, then, is that Karl was a stupid child,
>or else why else did you bring up this case of a brilliant solution
>as an example of an anamoly, representative of a stupid child
>developing a superior solution.
>
>Explain fully...it will amuse me.
>
>
>
>> My point was that you didn't understand how Scott was trying
>> to use the story in his argument. I'm not disagreeing with
>> you on what the story is, nor am I agreeing with what Scott
>> said.
>
>I understand fully. The premise was that it is routine for stupid
>people to come up with superior solutions...and trotted out an
>example of a BRILLIANT person coming up with a superior solution.
>
>Kind of deflates the whole egalitarian mythology of intelligence.
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
Aaron,
I think you may have misunderstood who originally made the
Gauss post (me), or what the purpose for the Gauss story was. Here's
how I came to post the Gauss story:
A poster earlier in the thread made the statement that when it came to
finding solutions, the person that solved the problem first had the
'best' solution. Another person made the assertion that "Solved is
solved".
I used the Gauss story to illustrate a case where there were two
solutions used (the 'brute-force' method employed by the other
students and the more elegant solution employed by Gauss) to show that
Gauss' solution was the better solution, even though both solutions
would have 'solved' the problem. Furthermore, even though Gauss'
solution was faster, I argued that it would have been the better
solution regardless.
I never said that "is routine for stupid people to come up
with superior solutions", or anything like that. Re-read my original
post if you're still confused.
Scott
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:36:04 GMT
In article <988pth$r57b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> > That's precisely my point. I couldn't care less if it uses Postscript,
> > Forth, Java or your-favourite-language-of-the-week. The Gimp does
> > something different. How can this be on a decent, up to date OS?
>
> That is an additional feature. If you want to do it the windows-way, don't
> configure anything regarding printing in the gimp, and it will generate
> postscript as any other app.
Unfortunately, The Gimp's default is to print postscript - literally, it
appears as text, not as an image.
--
Pete
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:41:17 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LShaping quoth:
> There is such a thing
> which grownups use, called "tools". Some of you who oppose Microsoft
> seem to be stuck in a simplistic sandbox with your Linux bucket and
> scoop, not being able to do anything more than a million simple
> operations. I imagine that is one reason why you have failed. If a
> programmer is not willing to venture into the real world of modern
> computing, then he will be left behind in the sand. I would love to
> have a more efficient operating system than Windows, but command line
> stuff is for the birds.
Show me a graphical application that handles this type of operation
faster than a cli:
sjp@host ]$ summarize < jan.report > jan.summary
Show me a graphical application that handles this type of operation
faster than a cli:
sjp@host ]$ tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' < foo.dat | sort | uniq > out.txt
No? Maybe you should actually take the time to learn the tools before
criticizing them.
As for the rest... if you believe that everyone who builds applications
on linux box build with a low level language it's because you know
nothing about the tools available on linux, and nothing about unix in
general.
We already know that linux has a better command line, better sets of
shells, and a much more diverse array of tools for using the command
line than anyone in redmond ever dreamed of. What people who haven't
used linux recently, or used a new version of linux in general don't
know is this: Linux is already at or ahead of win32 as a desktop
system in terms of both the end user experience and in terms of the
tools available for developers who want to build graphical
applications. It is also improving at a faster rate than windows.
You should pull you head out of your umm.. win32 box and have a look at
the state of modern computing before it passes you by.
--
Salvador Peralta -o)
Programmer/Analyst, Webmaster / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:40:04 GMT
In article <98aicl$47r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> So you want me to let everyone who doesn't know better to believe the
> crap you spout? No way. If you make a mistake that I can correct, I'll
> correct it. You made a mistake. A correction was relavent. You were
> blaming Linux for a GIMP problem.
You still don't get it do you?
"Linux" will not be seen by many as just a kernel and little else. It
will be seen as Mandrake, or SuSE etc. The reason why? Well, The Gimp et
al came with Linux, therefore it's one amorphous mass.
With Windows you buy in the extras. With any distro they are all there.
You may not like the way "Linux" is perceived but that's the way it will
be seen.
> > That's precisely my point. I couldn't care less if it uses Postscript,
> > Forth, Java or your-favourite-language-of-the-week. The Gimp does
> > something different. How can this be on a decent, up to date OS?
>
> Yes, the gimp makes a mistake. You finally admit that. About time.
>
> Anyway, name me an OS where you can't do it.
>
> Before you even think of naming windows, try this command:
>
> print /D:lpt1 c:\command.com
Try File -> Print under a GUI application and see what happens.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:40:25 GMT
In article <988u40$i1e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Can you tell the difference between _listening_ to what someone
> is saying and _agreeing with_ what someone is saying?
Yep
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:41:05 GMT
In article <dsXp6.13808$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> And you didn't answer why you think something other than postscript
> should be the default output from an application under unix/linux.
Because wether it's postscript or raw pixels or whatever is not relevant.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:43:06 GMT
In article <98ajo2$4qg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > I could say the same about you. You're not _listening_ to what I've been
> > saying.
>
> I know what you've been saying.
Then why do you endlessly repeat yourself and make it clear you don't
know what I'm saying?
> Why will you not accept the following facts:
>
> If an app prints non raw postscript to a printer under Linux, it will
> print correctly. This is a unified printer model.
>
> Windows apps can `do it thier own way' too.
Maybe some do but 100% of the ones I have follow the unified model.
> Under both OS's, you have to set up the printer first.
Yes, I did that, and this is where you are not listening. I setup Linux
Mandrake to use an Epson printer driver.
The Gimp's default was to ignore this and the printer dumped postscript
_as text_.
> There is very little difference.
Except Windows gets it right and as usual Linux doesn't.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:47:06 GMT
In article <NpXp6.13807$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Which is precisely what I've been "whining" (so-called) about all along.
> > What escapes me is why they can't see it.
>
> We can't see it because windows demands a print driver setup
> too. What's the difference? After you set it up correctly it
> might work.
You can't see it because you haven't been listening either!
I said right at the very start that I installed Linux Mandrake 7.2 and
choose the Epson printer as the default printer driver. The Gimp overrode
this and printed postscript _as text_ not as graphics.
So, I have to run TWO setups, on in Linux itself, and one in The Gimp. As
far as I'm concerned, I set it up correctly. It's The Gimp that's at
fault for ignoring this. However, this appears to be a common theme on
Linux. There are no standard ways of doing things - everything does it
their own way - so everything keeps reinventing the wheel.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:48:56 GMT
In article <98981f$ln6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> : In the Windows world there appears to be a unified printing model.
> : Constrast this with the chaos that appears in the Linux world.
>
> There is no difference, as you have already been shown. In BOTH,
> there exist standard ways all apps on the system can print through
> the same 'drivers', and in BOTH, there exist apps that circumvent
> this service the OS provides.
Except 100% of the apps I use on Windows use this unified model. I've yet
to see one that doesn't.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows...
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:53:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> Right, but Goodwin supposedly uses KDE so I was kind of hoping he'd give
> it a try by clicking on the little picture of a life preserver. Hope
> springs eternal.
I tried the help in KDE. I tried the search feature and found an empty
index. Very useful I thought. Another broken piece. I eventually
descovered that it required me to select English (US), instead of English
(UK) which I naturally chose.
I also descovered KDE can lose all its fonts if you choose English (UK)
somewhere in the KDE control panel. If you change back to English (US) it
all works fine.
This is one reason I call KDE "buggy".
--
Pete
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