Linux-Advocacy Digest #841, Volume #29 Tue, 24 Oct 00 09:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Astroturfing ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft Speaks German! ("JS/PL")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
(=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?=)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Nick Condon)
Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to. (Tim Palmer)
Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to. (Tim Palmer)
RE: Clearing things (Ian Davey)
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Re: Linux Sucks
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (2:1)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (2:1)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
(=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?=)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (chrisv)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:08:00 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8_dI5.975$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Mike Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Amazing isn't it? And the windows weenies have the balls to even
> > > argue the point?
> > >
> >
> > What's amazing is that with hundreds of millions of users of their
> products,
> > Microsoft actually pays people to advocate it. The mind boggles at what
> > this implies.
> >
> > jwb
> >
>
> What's even MORE amazing is that you know there are hundreds of millions of
> users of MS products who are obviously not paid to use those products,
Oh, yes they are.
When I'm at work, I am ***PAID*** to use MS-Office, even though I am
fully convinced that nobody in his right mind would pay for it.
> continue to use those products, continue to upgrade and use those products
> and you actually are stupid enough to imagine that MS would need to pay
> anyone in some lightly trafficed advocacy newsgroup? The mind boggles at
> what this implies of the rest of your capacity for stupidity might be...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft Speaks German!
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:42:36 -0400
Reply-To: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:19:48 -0400,
> JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Yea right. I have have grown to accept that every single article about
Linux
> >will likely contain at least one slam against Microsoft. The whole Linux
> >campaign is built upon negativity towards Microsoft.
>
> What "Linux campaign". Who's running this campaign?
>
> >To prove my point I'll simply type a URL - Ohh... how bout.... linux.org
> >
> >Page one at http://www.linux.org , the second text link states "Whats MS
> >worried about?"
>
> That's a link to a ZDnet article with that title. You should write
> ZDnet if you think it's a slam. The article doesn't seem like a slam
> to me. They merely seem to be saying that MS has some competition in
> the server market an Linux is a primary competitor in that market.
I didn't follow the link, just noting that approximately 6 seconds into my
journey there's Linux.org talking about MS. I don't recall Linux ever being
mentioned on the front page of Microsoft.com, ever.
>
> >But as I jump down to the "People of Linux" section and click the link to
an
> >interview with Shawn Gorgon, I notice, there it is AS PREDICTED, a slam
> >against MS towards the bottom of the page. What do you know... :-(
>
> 1) You had to go pretty deep to find that.
No I didn't, I clicked on the interview then typed "Microsoft" in Find. I
came up with:
"...it's truly innovative and not just a knock off of a Microsoft idea, that
is in turn a knock off of someone else's idea... "
And then
"There is the dark path where Microsoft decides to get involved and"
And then
"it will be impossible for Microsoft to gobble it up"
And then I notice the next paragraph talk about how hard it is to upgrade MS
Office. As if adding or upgrading Star Office in Linux is easier than
inserting the disk and hitting "Enter" a few times like MS Office.
For an article (supposedly) about Linux, Microsoft sure gets a good amount
of mention, as usual.
> 2) How is it a slam? All he seems to be saying is that MS can't
> embrace and extending Linux because of it's open nature.
>
> >Who's being childish??
>
> You are if that's all you can come up with.
It's all I came up with in three minutes, I could have dedicated 6 minutes
and came up with double (or more likely quadruple).
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:37:16 +0200
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
> No one seems to get the point of the tux thing, so I'll do my best to
> explain it again.
>
> If you are running a dedicated web server, you want it to give the
> fastes web serving possible. If it only does web serving it makes no
> difference if the web server or the OS tanks: the effect is the
> same---no web pages are served. Since it does not matter, you may as
> well put the web server in the kernel to get the best performance.
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to telnet/ssh into the box and remotely work
on it to restart/fix the webserver ? After all, I've constantly heard people
boasting about this capability for Linux boxen. With a tanked Tux box,
well... :)
<SNIP> Some more stuff </SNIP>
> -Ed
Paul 'Z' Ewande
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From: Nick Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:24:21 +0100
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:qcdI5.896$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > By the way, the little "evil grin" emoticon is Allchin's, not mine.
> If
> > > > you're wondering exactly how they planned to accomplish their little
> > > scheme,
> > > > here is Silverberg, four hours after receiving Allchin's "evil grin"
> > > > directive:
> > >
> > > That's not an "evil grin" that's a smile and a wink,
> >
> > True. It just looks evil in this context.
>
> Why did you remove my statement about the emoticon being used to infer humor
> or jest? You seem to ignore the point of my statement, which is that the
> emoticon clearly indicates it was a joke, not an order.
ALLCHIN: "It was just a joke, your honour, I was having a bit a gag with the
underlings and they misread me and went and committed anti-competivite acts. But
it was a joke. Honest. It was all my mother's fault, she never really loved me."
JUDGE: "Guilty . Execute him"
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.society.anarchy,talk.politics.misc,alt.christnet
Subject: Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to.
Date: 24 Oct 2000 06:28:54 -0500
Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"David M. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Todd wrote:
>>
>> > Not unless Tim is a hard-core Christian. Those idiots actually believe
>> > the earth *was* created only 10,000 years ago.
>>
>> Not to start a religion war or anything, but you know what I've always
>> wondered? Why is it so hard to believe that a book (the bible), that even
>> says within that it was written by MAN, not GOD, would contain metaphors?
>
>I'm sure the bible contains many things, including metaphors.
The Bible contanes the word of GOD!
>> Considering it also says something to the effect of a thousand years being
>> like a second to God (or a million, or something). Would not then 7 days
>> be a metaphor for 7 periods of time? Eh?
>
>I don't recall any portion of the bible that says this. Do you have a
>location? URL? :)
Genissis 2:2: And on thee 7th day God ended His work whitch He had dun,
and He rested on
thee 7th day from all His work wich He had done." God made it in
7 days.
>Besides, personally, I don't even think the bible is of the word of God or
>whatever.
You woant say that wen GOD comes down and jujes you and you get thsoe hot coles on
your but. You'll say "Linus, help get theez hot coles off my but", but he'll just say
"healp me get theas hot coles off my but to." Not me, Im goin'g to heven.
>My favorite time was just before the year 2000, when all of the
>crazy lunatic apocalyptic christians were waiting for Christ to visit... he
>never came for them.
Wotch, for you no niether the day nor the huor in which the Sun of Man is coming.
Matthew 25:13
>Not that I don't believe in God. But religion does us more bad than good.
>Better to teach spirituality and not a religion. Oh well. Enough of this
>thread unless you want the last word :)
>
>-Todd
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.society.anarchy,talk.politics.misc,alt.christnet
Subject: Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to.
Date: 24 Oct 2000 06:29:04 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tim Palmer^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HTym Parma wrote:
>
>
>> >> >>>Apparently, humans colonized America long after the `monkey's were
>> >> >>>gone. IIRC, it happened some 15000 or so years ago, when the first
>> >> >>>people made it to Northwesteern America from Northeastern Asia.
>> >> >> I heard it was 30,000 years ago.
>> >> >Was the NE-Asia inhabitated by then?
>> >> >I'm not sure, so you might pretty well be right.
>> >>
>> >> The eatrh didn't evan existe back tehn, moran.
>> >>
>> >
>> >The earth is about 4.6 billion years old, Tim.
>>
>> No, stuppit, it's only 6 THOUSAIND years old.
>
>Oy, Tym. yaw beeing verry idyotik tooday, aarn't ewe. Vee erf (eatrh) iz
>seviral byleeon yirs owld. morron.
Rite so i can reed it you stuppid moron.
>-de
>
>
>--
>Conrad Zeus shul bee rekognized. Hee bilt teh forst | Edwood Roston
>bynari digtal kompewter (Z1, wiv flowting poynt) teh | Engynear
>fotsr genrol porpoise compewta (teh Z3) and teh fist | i09rkt@
>commy won (Z4). | egn.oks.ak.uc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: RE: Clearing things
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:40:22 GMT
In article <uP0I5.353$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Idoia Sainz"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Netscape is not stable and is not worth to run in a stable OS like Linux.
>It
>can not do right Java or Javascript with no freezing, it is slow (Motif).
>Mozilla
>has not come yet ... and I guess it'll last. And by the way, one of the good
>things in Netscape 4.x has been removed from 6.0 PR3 : LDAP support.
LDAP just isn't finished yet, it will be back eventually, but probably not
until the first point release. Just search on bugzilla.mozilla.org for LDAP.
ian.
\ /
(@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
/(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
| |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:18:26 -0400
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:06:05 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Truckasaurus wrote:
>
>> In article <55CH5.13009$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > What I stated about Linux not being able to detect RAM properly is a
>> simple
>> > fact, check it.
>>
>> Maybe on your planet, Chad. But here on earth, Linux has always
>> detected my RAM just right. And my partitions have also been detected
>> right, not like Windows 95, which once detected my Linux partition as
>> being an "audio CD"...
>>
>> --
>> "Hello, everybody!"
>> - Doctor Nick
>> Martin A. Boegelund.
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.
>
>Planet Chad.
>
>The only planet in the galaxy where memory can not be detected!
>
>HA! That's hillarious.
>
>Charlie
>
>
I can't believe I'm jumping into this...must be feeling completely idiotic
today, as I open myself up to attack.
In all fairness to Chad, Linux does not detect RAM correctly on certain
computers. For instance, the Thinkpad that I use...Linux will only detect
the first 64MB.
Now, fixing that is not a bit deal...I add a line to lilo.conf that says:
append = "mem=163264k"
Now the output of my free command is:
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 159648 156484 3164 107448 3264 75536
-/+ buffers/cache: 77684 81964
Swap: 128484 7372 121112
(That's with Staroffice and Netscape both active, along with other bits)
Which feels pretty good, actually.
I believe the issue has something to do with the BIOS's method of reporting
RAM to the OS. Although it makes one wonder what all the flavors of Windows
that get the number right are doing that Linux is not.
All this considered, I'll take this one time fix for what Linux offers me.
--
Marc Richter
==================================================
83. If I'm eating dinner with the hero, put poison in his goblet, then have
to leave the table for any reason, I will order new drinks for both of
us instead of trying to decide whether or not to switch with him.
from "Top Things to Do if I Ever Become an Evil Overlord"
http://minievil.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html
The contents of this message express only the sender's opinion.
This message does not necessarily reflect the policy or views of
my employer, Merck & Co., Inc. All responsibility for the statements
made in this Usenet posting resides solely and completely with the
sender.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:19:58 -0400
On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:05:46 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said MH in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>>
>><> >Agent is probobly the number one newsreader on the net.
>>>
>>> Well, YMMV, but Agent has done nothing for me when I've tried it. I have
>>> not been able to figure out how to set it up to allow me to read without
>>> touching the mouse. (ideally by just hitting the space bar)
>>
>>Then how in the world did you figure out how to use linux?
>>
>>Agent, Tab -or shortcut key - to the message list window. Highlight the
>>message in the list you wish to read.
>>Tap <Return>. DONE. No mouse needed.
>>
>>This is hard?
>
Yeah, I need to hang my head in shame for this one. One of my buddies
pointed it out to me...
I'd love to come up with some grand excuse blaming Windows/Bill Gates/Forte/
The Anti-Christ/people who pull the tabs off of mattresses/etc.
Sadly, I can't.
I will say that I know many happy Agent users...I just have not fallen
under it's spell.
--
Marc Richter
==================================================
12. One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in
my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before
implementation.
from "Top 100 Things to Do if I Ever Become an Evil Overlord"
The contents of this message express only the sender's opinion.
This message does not necessarily reflect the policy or views of
my employer, Merck & Co., Inc. All responsibility for the statements
made in this Usenet posting resides solely and completely with the
sender.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:44:30 +0100
Paul 'Z' Ewande© wrote:
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
>
> > No one seems to get the point of the tux thing, so I'll do my best to
> > explain it again.
> >
> > If you are running a dedicated web server, you want it to give the
> > fastes web serving possible. If it only does web serving it makes no
> > difference if the web server or the OS tanks: the effect is the
> > same---no web pages are served. Since it does not matter, you may as
> > well put the web server in the kernel to get the best performance.
>
> Wouldn't it be nice to be able to telnet/ssh into the box and remotely work
> on it to restart/fix the webserver ? After all, I've constantly heard people
> boasting about this capability for Linux boxen. With a tanked Tux box,
> well... :)
Use a watchdog card and telnet in to it when it reboots itself.
No real problem---you only have to wait a couple of minutes.
-Ed
> <SNIP> Some more stuff </SNIP>
>
> > -Ed
>
> Paul 'Z' Ewande
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:49:24 +0100
Relax wrote:
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > No its not: it allows graphicsless computers to use graphics. i remember
> > running some CFD software with a GUI on a cray without a graphics card.
> > That is a good thing.
>
> You still need the X Client subsystem - some sort of (remote) graphical
> device interface - for your app to run. So, actually, there IS a graphic
> subsystem on the server in your example. The only problem is that it is
> pixel based and completely device dependant, GDI is not.
There is not OS graphics subsystem. The graphics is done simply via
socket calls.
The libraries that convert XDoWhatever() in to these calls are not part
of the OS, they could be linked statically to that program only.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:03:21 +0200
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<SNIP> Some stuff <SNIP>
> > Wouldn't it be nice to be able to telnet/ssh into the box and remotely
work
> > on it to restart/fix the webserver ? After all, I've constantly heard
people
> > boasting about this capability for Linux boxen. With a tanked Tux box,
> > well... :)
>
> Use a watchdog card and telnet in to it when it reboots itself.
What are those ?
> No real problem---you only have to wait a couple of minutes.
> -Ed
Paul 'Z' Ewande
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:08:37 GMT
"Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> But they aren't lies; they're supported by evidence proven in federal
>> court. On the same note, I am not now nor have I ever been, nor claimed
>> to be, a Linux admin. Even your supposedly biting comments are nothing
>> more than attempts at straw-men and redirection of the argument. Why
>> don't you join your pal Simon, and give it up, already. The only 'fear'
>> that motivates posting anti-MS information is fear that the illegal
>> activity will continue to be defended by morons, or that MS will
>> continue to rip off millions of people for billions of dollars.
>
>You know... I agree with Max. You'll have a much happier, fruitful life if
>you don't argue against people who it's impossible to have a structured,
>logical debate with, Mike.
Said the guy who just lost the debate.
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