Linux-Advocacy Digest #841, Volume #30 Wed, 13 Dec 00 07:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The real power of Linux (cry Winbabies cry!) (Nick Ruisi)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:46:53 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Les Mikesell writes:
>
> >>>> Are you saying that the first-time user *will* know that hjkl
> >>>> moves the cursor around???
>
> >>> The first time user won't have a concept of what a cursor is
> >>> or why you would want to move it around.
>
> >> On the contrary, the first-time vi user could have experience with
> >> other editors.
>
> > Yes, but they might not have a cursor that moves up or down.
>
> If it's a screen editor, chances are they do.
>
> > Or they might have used ksh with the vi edit mode, or less (an enhanced
> > more that uses vi-like keystrokes to browse through files).
>
> UNIX users are in the minority.
>
> >>> In the 70's and 80's, CPT dedicated wordprocessors were a big thing
> >>> and they represented a sheet of paper advancing past a typing line
> >>> on the screen so it looked and worked exactly like a typewriter.
>
> >> Were those the ABDick portrait mode machines?
>
> > I never saw an ABDick machine, but the CPT screen was tall
> > and narrow and displayed a full page of text, black characters
> > on a white page that moved up as you typed.
>
> The ABDick was also tall and narrow (portrait mode) and displayed a
> full screen of text, but it might have been a green screen. Come to
> think of it, we may have replaced our ABDick machines with the CPT
> machines. Never did catch on.
>
> >>> Literally, a white page scrolled up the screen as you typed. If you
> >>> needed to correct something you moved the page back down to the
> >>> typing line instead of moving the cursor to the text. Their claim
> >>> (of course) was that this was 'intuitive' to anyone who had seen a
> >>> typewriter.
>
> >> Of course, according to Aaron, nothing about a computer is intuitive.
>
> > Exactly.
>
> But do you or do you not agree with him?
>
> > Many younger people have probably never seen a typewriter
> > and would be very confused by the fact that you scroll down
> > to get the page to the right position on the typing line instead of
> > moving a cursor (which they probably have seen) up to the
> > the text in question.
>
> Younger people seem to be less confused by computers than older
> people with exposure to typewriters.
>
> >>> So, not even the direction of motion can be taken as something
> >>> you could guess, let alone the key that would invoke it. If you
> >>> think otherwise then you should admit that you have been
> >>> brainwashed into it.
>
> >> Fortunately, I don't think otherwise. Remember, my statement was
> >> that to use hjkl for cursor movement is not intuitive.
>
> > It is no more or less intuitive than any other keys might be, especially
> > given that at the time most keyboards did not have any special cursor
> > control keys.
>
> My statement wasn't applied to "at the time". I'm talking about now.
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:49:07 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Russ Lyttle writes:
>
> > For those not inclined to read below I will recap. Tholen claims use of
> > power cords is intuitive.
>
> Correct; people do not generally need to consult a manual to know what
> to do with a power cord. Do you disagree?
>
Sometimes, this disregard is at their own peril.
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
> > I give several counter examples about power cords behaving in ways
> > people do not expect, and of people doing strange things with power
> > cords.
>
> None of your so-called "counter examples" prove that people generally do
> not know what to do with a power cord without reading a manual. For those
> inclined to not believe me, read below.
>
> > Tholen counters that that wasn't fair as the users couldn't have known
> > about that or couldn't see inside the TV set or some such.
>
> Where did I allegedly say anything about "fair", Russ? I simply stated
> that people generally know what to do with a power cord without consulting
> a manual. What might happen inside a set is quite irrelevant to that issue.
> Whether the circuit is broken by a fuse or an internal socket-plug interface
> is also irrelevant. The issue is whether people generally know what to do
> with a power cord without consulting a manual.
>
> > This attitude is one think I especially dislike about MS software.
> > Everything is proclaimed to be "intuitive", when in fact, nothing in
> > this universe is "intuitive", not even the simple power cord.
>
> Really? You need a manual to know what to do with a power cord on some
> new appliance??? Why do you think the word "intuitive" exists?
>
> > If you don't test your product agains a naif user, expect it to fail in
> > the field, no matter how "intuitive" you thought it was.
>
> Looks like you're one of those people who thinks "intuitive" is an
> absolute. If it doesn't work for everyone, then it can't be intuitive.
> Sorry, but the word isn't defined that way.
>
> > Murphy originally said, "If someone can f**k it up, they will." It lost
> > meaning in the translation.
>
> Doesn't render everything non-intuitive.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you citing evidence that destroys your argument, Aaron?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Familiarity (or experience, to use my word for it) does not have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to be universal before something can be declared "intuitive".
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a good rule of thumb: if you need to consult the manual,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it's not intuitive.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Everyone has to "consult the manual" (or a friend, or the on-line
> >>>>>>>>>>> help) at some point early in their learning process.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I know some first-time computer users that did not need to consult
> >>>>>>>>>> the manual or a friend to know what to do with the power cord, for
> >>>>>>>>>> example.
>
> >>>>>>>>> I have earned a lot of money plugging in power cords for people.
>
> >>>>>>>> Congratulations. I know people who replace water heaters, and they
> >>>>>>>> also plug in the power cord for customers while installing the
> >>>>>>>> replacement appliance.
>
> >>>>>>>>> The first electronics job I had was making calls to fix TV sets.
>
> >>>>>>>> Not to install them? Televisions that hadn't yet been used don't
> >>>>>>>> usually require fixing.
>
> >>>>>>> Both. The most common was after the set was at home. Most people, by
> >>>>>>> that time, were trying to install the sets themselves.
>
> >>>>>> And you're claiming that they didn't know enough to plug it in? Do
> >>>>>> these people use a toaster? A lamp? A microwave oven?
>
> >> Note: no response.
>
> Note: still no response.
>
> >>>>>>>>> About half the time the problem was the power cord wasn't plugged in.
>
> >>>>>>>> But was it because they didn't know that it had to be plugged in, or
> >>>>>>>> had it accidently become unplugged without them knowing it? There's
> >>>>>>>> a big difference there. I've seen it happen to people many times.
>
> >>>>>>> They didn't know all the subtilities of operating a power cord.
>
> >>>>>> What "subtleties"?
>
> >>>>>>> Plug it in all the way.
>
> >>>>>> What's subtle about that?
>
> >> Note: no response.
>
> Note: still no response.
>
> >>>>>>> Unplug it before moving the set.
>
> >>>>>> Are you saying that the cord was damaged from strain?
>
> >>>>> No, I'm saying that your description of how to use a power cord is
> >>>>> missing sum subtilities. Such as : a power cord has *two* ends.
>
> >>>> What has that got to do with unplugging before moving the set?
>
> >> Note: no response.
>
> Note: still no response.
>
> >>>>> On a toster one end is usually fixed to the toster.
>
> >>>> On many televisions, one end is usually fixed to the television.
>
> >> Note: no response.
>
> Note: still no response.
>
> >>>>> On TV sets and computers neither end is fixed.
>
> >>>> Not always. My television does not have a detachable power cord.
>
> >>> It does if the set is in the US.
>
> >> The set is in the US, and the power cord cannot be removed from the
> >> rear of the unit.
>
> > Bet if you open the box the power cord will stay with the case and
> > unplug from the chassis.
>
> Irrelevant, given that the case you brought up was moving the set,
> not taking it apart.
>
> > Or did you think they had 6 feet of power cord
> > curled up inside the case?
>
> Also irrelevant to the case of moving the set that you brought up.
>
> >>> If you open the case the power cord comes unplugged from the set.
>
> >> When people move a set around, they don't usually open the case
> >> first. You were talking about moving a set around, not opening
> >> a case. Do try to be consistent.
>
> > No but they yank on the power cord.
>
> Not necessarily. Some of us were taught to grasp the plug, not yank
> on the cord.
>
> > On older sets it was pretty obvious.
>
> That they yanked on the power cord?
>
> > I can understand people not grasping that fact on the newer sets.
>
> The fact that they yanked on the power cord?
>
> >>> You have to use a "cheater" cord to power
> >>> up the set once it has been opened.
>
> >> But you weren't talking about opening a set. You were talking about
> >> moving a set around, which doesn't require that it be opened up.
>
> > Sure. Move the set. Forget to unplug it first or step on the cord. The
> > resulting strain unplugs the cord at the set end.
>
> Isn't that what I first asked about?
>
> RL] Unplug it before moving the set.
>
> DT] Are you saying that the cord was damaged from strain?
>
> > Intuitive, right?
>
> Irrelevant, right?
>
> >>> Sometimes the set end comes loose,
> >>> especially if someone doesn't unplug before moving the set.
>
> >> If you're talking about some internal connection that can't be seen
> >> by the user, then that doesn't serve as an argument against my claim
> >> that the power cord is intuitive.
>
> > Its a power cord. It should be intuitive.
>
> And it is. They plug the appliance in and expect it to be powered.
> You claimed that it's not intuitive, and tried to prove it by pointing
> to service calls that you made, but you have yet to describe a single
> case involving someone who didn't know enough to plug it in. Instead
> you've talked about an internal connection coming undone, bent prongs,
> and such, none of which illustrates a case in which the user didn't
> know enough to plug the cord into a wall outlet without consulting a
> manual.
>
> >>> It can often be reinserted by simply pushing on the back of the set
> >>> near the power cord.
>
> >> Does that somehow make the power cord not intuitive?
>
> > Was it intuitive that you should push on the back of the set to
> > reconnect the power cord?
>
> I wasn't talking about that end of the cord. What is intuitive is the
> end that people plug into a wall socket.
>
> >>>>> You need to make sure *both* ends are plugged in.
>
> >>>> Same situation applies. Usually people know how to do that, but were
> >>>> simply unaware that one end had come unplugged.
>
> >> Note: no response. It's very easy to be unaware of an internal
> >> connection coming loose.
>
> > Lets see. You say a power cord is intuitive.
>
> Correct; people do not generally need to consult a manual to know what
> to do with a power cord. Do you disagree?
>
> > I point out some non intuitive things about power cords.
>
> You point out some thing that has nothing to do with the end that
> people generally know goes into a wall socket (strain that causes an
> internal connection to become lost, which says nothing about the
> user's intuition regarding what to do with the other end of the power
> cord).
>
> > You say they weren't intuitive because the user didn't know about them.
>
> On the contrary, I said "It's very easy to be unaware of an internal
> connection coming loose." That has nothing to do with knowing what
> to do with the other end of the cord.
>
> > My Websters defines intuitive as "capable of being know by intuition.
> > And it defines intuition as "direct perception of fact independent of
> > any reasoning process".
>
> And experience with other electrical appliances means that people
> generally do not need to apply any reasoning process to know what to
> do with the power cord of a new appliance.
>
> > But you argue that my examples of non intuitive facts about power cords
> > are invalid because they are not intuitive.
>
> On the contrary, I said "It's very easy to be unaware of an internal
> connection coming loose." That has nothing to do with knowing what
> to do with the other end of the cord.
>
> >>>>> Also power cords are polarized. Try to plug them in the wrong way and
> >>>>> they don't fit properly.
>
> >>>> The polarized plugs that I've used won't fit at all if you try to do
> >>>> it the wrong way. My television has a three-prong plug, however. Only
> >>>> goes one way.
>
> >>> I'll send you the next three pronged plug I get that has had the third
> >>> prong bent or broken by the user. I kept one for years that someone had
> >>> managed to plug the third prong into the hot side of the socket. They
> >>> didn't understand why their GFI tripped every time they turned on the
> >>> set.
>
> >> Was it bent or broken intentionally so that the set could be plugged
> >> into a outlet that hadn't been upgraded with three-prong outlets? I
> >> can't think of any other reason why someone would do that.
>
> > It was intuitive.
>
> "nothing in this universe is 'intuitive'"
> --Russ Lyttle
>
> Do make up your mind.
>
> > You only need two prongs to get electricity, so if you break off the
> > third prong, you will use less electricity and your bill will be
> > cheaper.
>
> Which is the unneeded third prong?
>
> >>> The classic case for this is an event in Idaho where a technician
> >>> plugged a multi-pronged cord in backwards and killed himself when the
> >>> research reactor he was working on "pulsed". No one living could
> >>> understand why he went to the trouble to bend those pins to make it fit.
>
> >> Does that make the power cord non-intuitive?
>
> > It is a good example of how relying on things being "intuitive" is
> > dangerous.
>
> Oh really? Was it intuitive to intentionally modify the prongs to
> permit plugging the cord in backward?
>
> >>>>>>> If the light doesn't come on check the power cord. That sort of thing.
>
> >>>>>> What's subtle about that?
>
> >>>>> People don't do it. For computers it is worse. The light on the computer
> >>>>> can come on, but not the monitor, or vice versa.
>
> >>>> Same situation applies. Usually people know how to do that, but were
> >>>> simply unaware that one of the two was unplugged.
>
> >>> If the power cord was that intuitive, they would have checked, now
> >>> wouldn't they?
>
> >> Did they succeed in plugging both in, in the first place? When something
> >> stops working that was previously working, they tend to think of what
> >> might have changed. If there is no reason for the power cord to have
> >> become unplugged, then it makes sense to consider the possibility that
> >> there is a problem with the unit itself and not the power cord.
>
> Note: no response.
>
> >>> They wouldn't bend prongs to get it plugged in. They
> >>> would unplug it before trying to work on the set. In this industry, you
> >>> cannot assume that anything is intuitive for a sufficient percentage of
> >>> your customer base.
>
> >> And just what percentage of the people do you need to plug power cords
> >> in for them?
>
> Note: no response.
>
> >>>>>>>>> I learned very quickly not to just plug in the cord and send a bill
> >>>>>>>>> for $50. I would futz around a while, take the back off, look intent.
> >>>>>>>>> Then put the back on and plug it in.
>
> >>>>>>>> You're admitting to what some people would consider a "dishonest"
> >>>>>>>> service call?
>
> >>>>>>> No. They got charged the same, the fee for one hour service call.
>
> >>>>>> Even if it took one minute?
>
> >>>>> Yes. The minimum charge is one hour. Same as auto repair shops and other
> >>>>> such services.
>
> >>>> Why? Travel time for an on-site visit can be justified, but why a
> >>>> minimum? Would you like to pay for an hour long-distance telephone
> >>>> call, even if it lasted only a minute?
>
> >>> Never had your own service business have you? Overhead, book keeping,
> >>> accounting, taxes, etc. all mean that a charge less than a minimum is a
> >>> loss. The service charge for one hour is that minimum in this case.
>
> >> It takes you an hour to do all the book keeping, accounting, and so on
> >> for a one-minute service call?
>
> Note: no response.
>
> >>>>>>> I just decided not to upset them by pointing out that they didn't know
> >>>>>>> how to operate a power cord.
>
> >>>>>> Which would have been rather presumptuous of you.
>
> >>>>>>>>> When PCs came out, there were more power cords not to be plugged in
> >>>>>>>>> and thus more business.
>
> >>>>>>>> Some people prefer to have experts install new gizmos for them.
> >>>>>>>> Doesn't mean that they don't have the intuition to plug it in for
> >>>>>>>> themselves.
>
> >>>>>>> But that doesn't mean the power cord is all that "intutive" either.
>
> >>>>>> Doesn't mean it isn't "intutive" [sic] either.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>SNIP<<
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:50:37 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Aaron> Why would the governments need to "promote" conservation
> Aaron> and efficiency... that's what the price increase does.
>
> There are always some people who are too rich to be affected by such
> price increases. To make them waste less energy by bringing up the
> price is too infeasible. (Making the price too high would affect poor
> people's normal life, even if they are already saving every bit of
> Watt that they can.)
In which case, your guilt-trip public service announcements will
affect them....not in the slightest.
You write like a control-freak.
Why is that?
>
> --
> Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´°(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
> .----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
> | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.csis.hku.hk/~sdlee |
> `----------------------------------------------------------------------------'
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:52:01 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Perhaps if we strive to lessen our need for generated power
> >> then things will improve. Research into more economical
> >> gasolines seems to be a good start.
>
> Aaron> You moron...there is no such thing. Learn some
> Aaron> thermodynamics.
>
> He said "more economical", not "absolutely economical" or "zero cost".
>
> Of course, the 2nd law of thermodynamics says that entropy always
> increases as time passes. But it doesn't disallow the *rate* of
> increase to be made lower by being more considerate.
Per mile driven, Electric cars take MORE energy to run, due to
transmission losses between the power company and the car, and
in charging up the batteries.
>
> --
> Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´°(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
> .----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
> | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.csis.hku.hk/~sdlee |
> `----------------------------------------------------------------------------'
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Nick Ruisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The real power of Linux (cry Winbabies cry!)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:47:41 -0500
You'd probably have to wait 2-6 months for the patch, if you'd get it at
all. I don't think that this phenomenon applies strictly to the *nix
platform. Any open source program can be supported like that.
Keith Peterson wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, No-Spam wrote:
> >I'm a self employed electronics person, who uses Linux
> >exclusively to design electronic equipment, mostly micro
> >processor controlled, and to do that, I use the wide range
> >of applications available that run under Linux.
> >
> >Could I do this under Windows, ..for sure, tho it would cost
> >a lot more, and offer little, if not less for the extra money.
>
> So your point is that the job can be successfully done on a Windows box with
> no loss of functionality (little, if not less for the extra money), but that
> in the case of Windows we should feel bad because a programmer actually earned
> a living.
>
> Ah...
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:54:28 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> Its the environmental run off (nuclear waste) that is the major cause of
> concern. Since NZ went Nuclear free around 14 years ago (which
> pissed-off the US navy) we have had no problems producing electricity
> from Hydro, Steam, natural gas and wind.
NZ is very different from the US in that respect.
For example, every river which is suitable for hydroelectric power
already has a damn *OR* the same eco-nuts who don't want nuclear
plants ALSO go to court to tie up building another hydro plant.
In short....these people are committed to stopping the construction
of *ANY* new electricity generation plants
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> <snype>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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