Linux-Advocacy Digest #841, Volume #31 Tue, 30 Jan 01 06:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Kernel upgrade - not bad at all ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Progeny Debian... (John Travis)
Re: Linux headache ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (Johan Kullstam)
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel upgrade - not bad at all
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:15:31 GMT
"John Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> And on Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:07:57 GMT, Martin Eden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke unto
> us:
> >Debian is only running afterstep on x11. (For whatever reason, the extra
> >discs with the packages don't show up as Debian discs...so I can't
install
> >anything I don't want to compile). Caldera is loaded with everything.
Both
> >have NT4 installed on VMware. The 2.4 kernel runs great on Potato.
Caldera
> >hangs about 60% of the time randomly.
>
> Remind me never to buy cds from cheapbytes :-). They aren't even
> recognized after an "apt-cdrom add?" How do you like vmware? I have
been
> pondering slapping 2k on under Sid. I'm just not sure *how* much
> functionality would be maintained windows wise. I figure if they can
> charge 300 dollars, it must work pretty well.
Jumping into Thread....
It works beautifully. And, another thing, the basic edition is only 79.00.
I've used it with great success running 98/NT/95/and 2K. I haven't switched
to it exclusively yet as I only have 128MB of RAM installed. As soon as I
get the chance, I'll up it to 512MB and do my Windows development work
straight from Linux.(Wndows Crash? Just restart the VM!) I'm quite sure
you'll want to keep a Windows partition handy if you play any sort of
games, though. I didn't try it, but I'm sure Need For Speed, Falcon 4.0,
and etc won't work well at all under a virtual machine <g>...
>
> >Anyhow: to the point, the SMP support is 150% better than with 2.2. And
I
> >mean on both distros. That is when COL 2.4 decides to boot. It's
spinning
> >my hardware like a top. I am pretty impressed.
>
> 2.4.1 was just released. So there is now a final version complete with
> Reiserfs support. Time for another make-kpkg. One little hurdle cleared
> 8^). <begin Kyle's scathing reply here>
Indulging in a little cage rattling, are we? :)
--
Tom Wilson
Sunbelt Sunbelt Solutions
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:30:24 +0100
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> I think we have to get back to the base cost of Whistler
> again darling. $530 for the full install then...
>
> Wonder if a blind man's SSN would pay for the full
> install..
>
> Or, maybe he could just use Linux.
>
> Humm..
>
> Will Microsoft be giving out free copies of their OS
> to all the blind and deaf people this year?
>
In addition, think of all the problems blind women / man would have with
a GUI-system. It's VERY complicated to hook braille to a gui-ed system.
Blind people need CLI-systems, text-only-systems. You can configure linux
easily enough to even output the boot-messages on a braille-output-device.
Windows has possibilities out of the box for the vision-impaired. But thats
easy enough. If it gets to blind people, windows is a nightmare. Blind
people need windows about as much as fish need bicycles.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:50:47 +0100
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Czsd6.335$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Charles Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > You aren't listening. Since the failure occured a great deal of
> > > > time
> > after
> > > > the change was made, it was difficult to connect the failure with
> > > > that
> > > > specific change. It took them a great deal of time to track down
> > exactly
> > > > where the problem was. Once they knew where it was, solving it was
> > quite
> > > > easy.
> >
> > > So how often do they have to make changes to their software? How many
> > > changes had to be backed out to get the working configuration back?
> > > What exactly was the change that caused the problem? If it wasn't the
> > > fault of MS software, why isn't the change published with a "DON'T DO
> > > THIS" warning?
> >
> > One more time. It was a router configuration problem with the router
> > (probably a CISCO). MS didn't notice the problem internally because the
> > router was only failing to route incoming packets, and local packets
> > were routing just fine.
> >
> > A site as big and busy as MS is has hundreds or thousands of changes
> > done
> to
> > it daily.
>
> That doesn't leave much excuse for putting both nameservers on the
> same subnet, does it?
>
> > Figuring out a problem requires testing an awful lot of things
> > before even narrowing it down to a specific piece of hardware, and a
> > specific configuration. You don't know if it's a hardware failure, a
> > configuraiton failure, a NAP failure, etc..
>
> Traceroute tells you where the packets stop. Fix that box and you
> are usually done.
>
You wouldn't expect a Microsoft techi to know about traceroute.
After all, it's hot a shiny GUI-Proggy, got no Icons to click on, so it's
not worth to use. We are in the year 2001, so microsoft-people will
steadfastly refuse to use anything without at least 3 icons.
All these excuses from Eric F. are just plain bullshit. Anyone with a
little bit of working knowledge about networks recognizes this quite
easily, but Eric just won't let go. Under no circumstances he would
acknowledge that microsoft made a mistake or just plainly goofed.
Everone else, but not MS.
Eric, you're an idiot. You know that stuff like that is unbelievable, but
you still do it. Just stop it, otherwise you'll loose that last little bit
of credibility and play in the same league with Chad Myers and Conrad
Rutherford, who can already be recognized by repeating the same lies
over and over again.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:39:14 +0100
Jan Johanson wrote:
< nothing >
Yea, sure.
Very impressing.
So, in addtion of already set back 200$ for the OS, handycapped people
should pay a premium for this stuff you mentioned, right?
After all, why are they handycapped, it's surely their own mistake, so why
shouldn't they pay for it?
No, little boy, those are bad rules, we won't play like that in a
linux-group. Handycapped people are NOT those here who pay premium
prices just to use computers. This is NOT Wintendo(tm)-land, where you get
ripped off.
Go back playing with Chad and Conrad on your wintendo-thingies.
And start to grow up
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:19:29 GMT
In article <Tpld6.5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [snip]
>
> There are *exactly* *two* pieces of my hardware that aren't working.
> Get things into perspective (and the only reason my soundcard isn't up
> is my incompetence (I have installed the kernel driver for it in
> 2.4.0, it's the next step that I need to sort out)).
Eesh, never say "incompetence". Linux does demand a little more in terms of
the
less-than-obvious-things-you-never-thought-you'd-have-to-learn-to-get-it-work
ing-well department. I'll probably get flamed to kingdom come for coming into
this conversation so late and offering obvious advice, but what the hell.
You've unzipped the whole 2.4 kernel somewhere, right? Have you switched to
that directory and run "make xconfig" during an X-session as root? Getting
your sound card to work is as easy as picking the right Sound driver in a
nifty little GUI program, and then moving on with the rest of the compile.
Had no problems with my sound card... Just curious. Recompiling kernels is
actually a snap if you follow the right steps. Is it just a complicated piece
of hardware that you have?
> > Typical Penguinista:
> >
> > Well, my scanner, sound card, mouse, tape back up and printer don't
> > work, but Linux sure is a great operating system.
>
> [snip] Who needs backups (no tape drive, Wintroll):-)
Well, apparently someone who's going to run the risk of frequent sudden
crashes and... oh, whoops, I probably shouldn't say any more. That's
sure to hit a sore spot.
Linux doesn't come with a bottle of Aspirin, neither. I guess that's a
failing even though my OS doesn't give me many headaches...
> > > Come to think of it, I haven't had *any* crashes under Linux for
> > > quite some time.
> >
> > Of course not.
> > You are using half your hardware
Hm... Maybe the answer is giving Windows a little less access to your
hardware too, eh?
> > and in all likely hood are using less
> > applications than you do under Windows.
Actually, I've found I'm using more. I've got Apache running, a database
daemon running, a bunch of good word processors, an mp3 player, a bunch
of web browsers, several different office suites, two different
desktops, great compilers and interpreters and libraries... Sometimes my
problem is that I have too MUCH choice.
All this on a suped-up RedHat 6.1 install. AND I have no idea what I'm
doing. To get all of the above working on Windows, I'd probably need to
spend a hell of a lot, wait forever for the updates, and run the risk of
Windows reliability.
-ws
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: John Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Progeny Debian...
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:24:35 GMT
And on Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:51:32 GMT, "Kyle Jacobs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke unto us:
>Well, Corel hit, ah, and then Stormix tried. Stormix is so outdated and
>there are stability incompatibilities with offical Debian packages (which
>are also somewhat outdated, unless the 'unstable' sources are used...)
You really should stick to FUD about the more common(ly bitched about)
distros. Storm (hail) was a full potato release, a few days before Debian
layed it out. There weren't any incompatibility problems with Debian
proper. They didn't "tweak" anything like Corel did. I even updated to
Woody from the Rain release. The admin tools in SAS were pretty nice as
well. The "outdated" release was CLOS 1.2, still being almost entirely
slink based (minus libc6 and a few other potato packages). Corel has made
so many stupid decisions on every platform they deserve whatever they get.
>Being on the beta team, where are all the "administration" tools, all I saw
>was a GUI interface for dpkg and the debian task-based package system. Are
>they also "coming soon"?
That's the rub. If I don't tell you, you'd never know. The main admin
stuff is reminiscent of debconf on steroids. The only stuff I have used
was for setting up networking, my printer, time zone (just because
everyone bitches about it being hard), etc. All of which worked quite
well, making the tasks trivial (even for morons). There are frontends for
pretty much everything else (X, Grub, etc.), in various states of
completion. They are using a slightly different approach for "package
sets." Either one works quite well. I want kde2...I type "apt-get
install task-kde." Nothing the average BDU couldn't handle, they can even
do it from one of several available GUIs if they want. Obviously as a
beta there are still some things to work out, and certain things I would
like to see that probably won't make it into 1.0. All in all it's an
interesting project, considering it's roots. Their Linux NOW project is
promising as well.
just my .02,
jt
________________________________________
Alternative Computing Solutions...
Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:36:10 -0500
Robert Morelli wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Andy Walker"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I don't want to start a flame war over this but there is one thing I
> > want to get off my chest. Linux is an absolute nightmare to learn. Now
> <snip>
> > I'm just an average user who is sick of Micro$oft and I desparately want
> > Linux to succeed in the market place. However if the companies such as
> > RedHat, Mandrake etc don't address problems like these, a lot of the
> > momentum will be lost. All these companies seem to be spending all their
>
> Listen, we all want to see Linux succeed in the wider market place, but you
> have to be realistic. Linux is already gaining a lot of success in certain special
> server markets, but in a recent interview, Linus Torvalds predicted
> it would be 5 or 10 years before Linux challenges Microsoft on the
> desktop. I think it may have an impact earlier on corporate desktops
> that are administered by a dedicated staff. For the general public, I think
> you should just resign yourself to the fact that 5 years is an optimistic estimate
> for the general public, and 10 years is probably more realistic.
>
> Why?
> 1. Because your experience is absolutely typical.
> 2. Because Linux/Unix is based on very old fashioned principles. It has
Windows is based on the very old fashioned principle of writing a kernal
in a high level language (...something which UNIX was the first to do).
Windows is based on the very old fashioned principle of CPU's having a
fixed instruction set.
Windows is based on the very old fashioned principle of hard-wired CPU's
which can-NOT be re-wired by hand.
Windows is based on the very old fashioned technology of providing the
use with non-volatile data storage in something called a "file system"
Windows is based on the very old fashioned principle of of maintaining
a separate, external memory store
Windows is based on the Von Neumann architecture.....an idea SOOOO
old-fashioned
that it pre-dates the programmable computer.
The problem with Windows is that a lot of INTERMEDIATE technology, they
either fucked up, or completely ignored.
And thus....even in the year 2001, their products are more primitive
than what was in being sold in the mid 1960's.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:55:04 +0000
In article <Jomd6.2202$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Edward Rosten writes:
>
>>>> It was origionally a tholen.vs.malloy thread.
>
>>> Incorrect, given that I haven't responded to Malloy.
>
>> Granted. It was a malloy vs tholen thread---he had responded to you.
>
> Rather one-sided to be using "vs".
Mabey, but he is still arguing with you (even though you don't respond). I
think vs. is justified.
>>>> It's moved on since, hence the new suggestion for the name.
>
>>> You're erroneously presupposing that it was origionally [sic] a
>>> "tholen.vs.malloy" thread.
>
>> I have now restated a more accurate version.
>
> Not accurate enough.
I believe it is, but that's just an opinion.
>> It has now moved on from that.
>
> Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring Malloy like
> I was at the beginning of the thread, and Malloy is still posting his
> ridiculous responses like he was at the beginning of the thread. He
> hasn't moved on.
That part of the situation has changed, but Marty has since joined in,
which means that some parts of the situation have changed.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:51:42 +0100
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> You have the benefit of hindsight. Knowing it was a router problem. To
> get
> to that stage, you have to go through a lot of diagnosis. They probably
> initially concentrated on the DNS servers. Whatever the problem, it's not
> as black and white as you pretend it is.
>
Still defending MacroShit for this, Erik?
No, this is not believable. I think that a bunch of MCSE's tried
frantically to somehow map the problem to the bullshit in their
study-books. As this did not work, they started to change settings, reboot
(naturally) and try further, naturally without undoing the changes, thereby
creating havoc with the setup until they had to reinstall (until now normal
problem finding routine on Wintendo(tm) and quite usual). As this did not
work, hours later, MS started to haul in some people who accually have
a basic knowledge how networks work (probably those who wrote the
MCSE study-bullshit.)
Admit it, the whole setup of those DNS was unbelievable dumb and worth an
entry in study-books how NOT TO DO IT under any circumstances (and
therefore standard microsoft procedure)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:52:21 -0500
"Christopher L. Estep" wrote:
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:952j11$pml$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > No, reducing retraining costs is what 9x is all about.
> >
> And, to an extent, it was the reason for why NT 4 was designed the way it
> was. The fact that NT 4 (and Windows 2000) use the Windows 9x UI was to
> ELIMINATE (to a large extent) OS retraining costs. Which they have, in
> spades. Case in point: Comcast Cable Communications is the third largest
> cable company in North America, and is practically a floor-to-ceiling
> NT/2000 shop. Almost the entirety of the user base normally uses Windows 9x
> away from the office. How much OS retraining has Comcast had to do? Answer:
> NONE. The Customer Account Executives have "roaming profiles" that can
> follow them all over the company, all over the country. When do they know
> that they are NOT running 9x? When an application crashes, and they need
> merely restart the offending application, rather than the whole OS. Two of
> the more crash-prone applications run against a rather persnickety Oracle
> database. When it crashes, the user merely restarts the app, rather than
> reboot the whole OS, as they would have to under 9x. My own NT desktop has
> rebooted a grand total of TWICE in three months (and one of those was due to
> an application upgrade). Number of blue screens I have had: zero. Number
> of application crashes: numerous (almost all in those applications running
> against Oracle). Number of "forced reboots" due to an application crash:
> ONE (and even that was due to Netscape Navigator slowing to a crawl, as
> opposed to an outright crash). Even then, it didn't bluescreen; I rebooted
> to "flush" both disk and memory caches in Netscape.
>
> THAT is reliability.
Listen up, you shit-brained retard:
Staying up 3-7 days is NOT "reliability"....
>
> Something NT users prove, day in and day out.
>
> Christopher L. Estep
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:58:01 +0000
In article <Gqmd6.2205$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Edward Rosten writes:
>
>>>>>>>> AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its going to be another Tholen vs. Malloy thread.
>
>>>>>>> On what basis do you make that claim? I suggest you pay more
>>>>>>> attention; I haven't responded to Malloy for several months.
>
>>>>>>>> Why don't you start up a group:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> comp.tholen.vs.malloy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And argue away on that?
>
>>>>>>> Why would I want to do that?
>
>>>>>> I honestly have no clue,
>
>>>>> Then why did you suggest it?
>
>>>> See below.
>
>>> There is no answer below.
>
>> I suggested it based on past experience. That is stated below in the
>> quoted text.
>
> I countered your suggestion. That is stated below your quoted text:
>
> "Past experience shows how I ignored Malloy for over a year, but he
> continued to litter the newsgroups with responses that did nothing
> more than claim that I had posted nothing of value, which is
> incredibly ironic."
That may be the case, but that is still the reason I said that. I
acknowledg now that is is incorrect.
>
>>>>>> but past experience suggests that you like arguing with Malloy.
>
>>>>> Past experience shows how I ignored Malloy for over a year, but he
>>>>> continued to litter the newsgroups with responses that did nothing
>>>>> more than claim that I had posted nothing of value, which is
>>>>> incredibly ironic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Current experience shows that I've been ignoring Malloy for several
>>>>> months, but he continues to litter the newsgroup with responses that
>>>>> do nothing more than claim that I've posted nothing of value, which
>>>>> is still incredibly ironic.
>
>>>> Which supports my idea that you will continue arguing, or at least
>>>> one of you will.
>
>>> Take it up with Malloy.
>
>> I have no wish for him to argue with me, as well as him arguing with
>> him.
>
> Then you'll have to live with Malloy's continued ridiculous postings.
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:02:24 GMT
J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Curtis wrote:
>
> > >J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> >
> > > | Penguinistas have a clearer idea than most about OSes.
> >
> > No. They seem to have a clear idea only of their favoured OS which
> > they really USE and not simply SEE running around the office or give
> > the light of day only when they need to read file format not supported
> > by their favoured OS. This is perfectly reasonable.
>
> Actually, most Linux users are more technical than
> the average windows user, and furthermore, most
> Linux users were windows users at one time. So the
> idea that a Linux user can't tell the difference between
> 95 and nt is just plain silly.
also many linux users were unix users at university and now have
become all too familiar with ms-windows in all its incarnations at
work.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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