Linux-Advocacy Digest #880, Volume #29           Fri, 27 Oct 00 23:13:04 EDT

Contents:
  Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (Charlie Ebert)
  Re: Linux (sfcybear)
  Re: MS Hacked? ("Bobby D. Bryant")
  Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Terry Porter)
  Re: Linux (Charlie Ebert)
  Re: Linux (Terry Porter)
  About the "other poor dork in deep shit, Claire" (Jacques Guy)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Why should I keep advocating Linux? (spicerun)
  Re: MS Hacked? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: MS Hacked? ("Bobby D. Bryant")
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Another Dork With A Problem, Claire, Fix Him, Will You? (Jacques Guy)

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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:05:11 GMT

"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:

>

{SNIP}

Rex,

I've always read your posts with enjoyment and this
one was no different.

But we have a difference in philosophy here which
we need to straighten out right here and now.

The #1 problem with commercially written software
was marketing constant efforts to bear the unripe fruit.

This unripe fruit makes them look bad.
This unripe fruit is what causes customer confidence to
decline.

I would like to say to you and everybody else
in the commercial sector this one thing.

This GNU/LINUX thing has changed much
in the way you've been doing business lately.

Open source for one instance.
The GPL license for another instance.
The least BUGGY code for another instance.
Excellent security for another instance.

Marketing's efforts will NEVER be put ahead
of these concepts.

This is not a fast food place.

This is not Microsoft.

We don't EVER want to create another
Microsoft.

There is nothing wrong with the 2.2 Kernel.
If need be they can just SELL that this
Christmas.

And pushing the GNU system will accomplish
nothing.

If anything, the GNU system will change
the Marketing PUSH philosophy of the
software business.  It won't be the
other way around.

Let's don't forget that GNU/LINUX already
has a great success record in the industry.

And this SUCCESS has NOTHING to
do with MARKETING CAMPAIGNS nor
MARKETING DESIRES.


GNU/Linux customer success is mainly
attributable to customer loyalty.

People use it because it works much
better than Windows.

People use it because it has more features
and functions than Windows.

People use it because it's free software.

They aren't using it because they saw a
T.V. ad or what they read in a news group.

People love it because there truly is
NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE like it.

GNU/Linux is truly UNIQUE in the
software world.

GNU/Linux is a product of passion rather
than a product of Marketing Hype.


I think this is the only difference we
have between us.

I have a commitment toward Quality.

Where is yours.  Why do we need to
base ideas of ROLLING back if we fail?

You need to get with the program here.

We are changing the world and I don't
want to see you steam rolled by
this issue.

Quality and Consistency!

This is your NEW motto!

Forget about DEADLINE!

Deadline and Rollback are things from
your FORMER LIFE.


>
> --
> Rex Ballard - VP I/T Architecture
> Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
> http://www.open4success.com
> Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
> and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 10/23/00)
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

--
Charlie

By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!




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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:00:02 GMT

In article <HWpK5.1576$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  "Brandon Van Every" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8td7ff$kt4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <HBnK5.1773$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >   "Brandon Van Every" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > <and then depression set in....>
> > >
> > > I finished assessing Linux.  I don't think Linux has any magic
> answers
> > > for the PC industry.  Its strengths are offset by inertial forces
> > beyond
> > > its control, i.e. Microsoft.
> >
> >
> > What makes you so sure that MS is not the one that is going to be at
> the
> > mercy of foces beyond it's control, ie Linux?
>
> Because the JOD couldn't get the antitrust case to go straight to the
> Supreme Court.  The District Court has historically been more
favorable
> to Microsoft's pleas, and it buys Microsoft lotsa stalling time.  The
> Evil Empire isn't falling soon and I seriously doubt the JOD will
> sustain the political momentum needed to bring it tumbling down.  I
> think Microsoft has definitely got 2..3 years of healthy market
> muscling, "business as usual" ahead of them.

Please try to make some sort of coherant point next ime.


>
> >  Commercial support goes first to Windows,
> > > second to Linux.
> >
> > ???? What the hell are you saying? ??? IBH offers commrecial support
> for
> > linux.
>
> Sure, a few companies make it their business model to support Linux
> first, Windows second.  Those companies are few and far between.  With
> the exception of Microsoft monopoly products, the level of
> commodification is much higher in the Windows world.
>

An the ones have introduced Linux to there marketing plan are seeing
increasing growth Here's something to back up my point (thing you could
possibly do the same>):

http://platforms.oracle.com/linux/



> > Yes if it has not done so, Linux is about ready to overtake MS in
the
> > server market.
>
> Which is A Good Thing.  It benefits anyone who wants to run a network
> server as part of their business enterprise.  This leaves a lot of
> important markets unchallenged, however.

What file servers? done that! printservers yep. SMB server yes sir....
Ahh but you a gamer someone that thinks they know compuers because they
made it all the way though Quake.

>
> > > Computer enthusiasts are the smaller market, the ones who want
> >
> > They are the trend setters and the peole who other people go to for
> > advice! I advise Linux now.
>
> They aren't "trend setters," they're a subspecies of computer user
that

insults, is that the best you can do???


> has existed since the dark ages of computerdom.  A rareified and
> distinguished clan.  The trend setters are the AOL idiots who buy a
> computer for $500 to get on the Internet.

Yep, and when ane when the price compitition for those component get
stiff enough Linux will win, because who want's to pay money for an OS
when the OS is invisable to the end user???


>
> > Other than the fact that it will become cheaper to manufacture PC's
> with
> > linux as an OS Thus the entry level PC's for the lower income will
> move
> > to linux as the embeded market has already!
>
> People pay money for ease of use.

But you should look a the new stuff coming out for Linux! IT is better
and easier to use that MS!

  Also, ease of use costs development
> dollars.

Linux wins here as well!

Linux is only easy to use if you have the skill of a
> super-hacker and want to exercise that skill a lot.

what a laugh, you really have not looked at the new releases have you???

 I have those
> skills, I don't usually want to have to exercise them.  I want to
> exercise my skill on my own projects, not maintaining the system.

could have fooled me, but I just do not believe that you have those
skills!



>
> > > Every 2 years I poke my head up and see where Linux is at.  Time
to
> > fall
> > > asleep again.  :-)
> >
> >
> > YOu were awake???
>
> My first kernel was 0.99something.  I ran Linux in the days when the
> preferred method was to download it onto 30 floppy disks.  How about
> you?

Then you really should upgrade to a modern version a lot has happened
since then, And you obviously have NOT kept up!

Are you awake yet? I can't tell


>
> --
> Cheers,                         www.3DProgrammer.com
> Brandon Van Every               Seattle, WA
>
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:09:07 -0500

Nigel Feltham wrote:

> Who will ever trust any of their products ever again.

Who should be surprised?

The only really interesting questions about this whole thing are, IMO,

a) who was the thief,

and

b) what did MS say/do to the employee(s) who ran the trojan and gave the
villans access?

The latter is interesting especially interesting, since MS has been so adamant
that the weakness-by-design is "a feature" and "easily locked down", whenever
they come under criticism after the latest worm-of-the-month costs world
businesses several Gigabucks.

Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Oct 2000 02:18:41 GMT

On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:19:47 -0700, Simon Cooke
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:sOeK5.19474$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Too bad you're using Netscape's crappy news reader.
>>
>> Outlook Express has the concept of Identities which would allow
>> you and other members of your families to have seperate, unique
>> configurations.
Yeah Netscape sucks all round. Perhaps this wouldnt have happened if Microsoft
, by using preditory practices hadnt anihilated Netscape ?

Then again I don't use Netscape anyway.

Linux has the concept of "users", this allows all the users on this pc (8)
to have a personalised newsreader, individual ng selections, colors, sigs
and on line or off line news reading as they wish. Any news saved goes into
their home directory, the system is easy, sweet and incredibly versatile.

>
>Actually, Netscape's email and newsreaders supported it last time I checked.
>It's slightly more cumbersome than the OE equivalent, but not much.
>
>Simon
>
>


-- 
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:23:02 GMT

Brandon Van Every wrote:

> > <and then depression set in....>
>
> I finished assessing Linux.  I don't think Linux has any magic answers
> for the PC industry.  Its strengths are offset by inertial forces beyond
> its control, i.e. Microsoft.  Commercial support goes first to Windows,
> second to Linux.
>
> I think the most interesting thing about Linux nowadays is actually the
> marketing of it, which is an odd thing to say about "the hacker's OS."
> As a networked server OS it seems to have growing strength against
> Microsoft.  This is the big market that drives its progress, it's where
> all the real IHV and commercial support is coming from.
>
> Computer enthusiasts are the smaller market, the ones who want
> "something more efficient than Windows to play Quake."  This is why
> certain 3D cards like NVIDIA are supported.  It gives me a good reason
> to port a game someday, after I've finished one on Windows.  The
> enthusiast market may be small, but there's little competition.  Rather
> much like writing games for the Mac.
>
> But both in terms of marketing and technology, I see no future for Linux
> as a mass-market, consumer-friendly OS.  There, I've stated the obvious.
> It's been true since the inception of the system, nothing has changed in
> that regard, and nothing will change.  Linux culture is fundamentally
> "roll your own."  As such, it would be useful as an Internet game server
> someday.  But that's just a "kewl" idea until I'm actually ready to
> pursue such a thing.
>
> Every 2 years I poke my head up and see where Linux is at.  Time to fall
> asleep again.  :-)
>
> I think I'll post this to comp.os.linux.advocacy just to watch the
> fireworks.
>
> Cheers,                         www.3DProgrammer.com
> Brandon Van Every               Seattle, WA

Well this is really nice Microsoft crap.

Especially since they got all their Source Code stolen today.
Toyota just kicked their butts out the door.

And Oracle just published results proving their
SQL server and OS is a piece of shit as compared
to Oracle on RedHat 7.

Microsoft's response too all this was just
read your license, we're going to sue.

Oracles response was just BLOW!

Considering your EXPERT background here,
tell me again what you think of Microsoft?

I personally think Microsoft Windows

is the worst OS mankind has produced

since the invention of the computer.

It is a poorly thought out, warmed over,

pancaked, overlaid, virus eaten

pile of shit.

And that's my realization.

So sir!  We'll see you again

in 2 years when you'll be posting

about how nice your Linux powered

internet appliance is to write

to newsgroups.

--
Charlie

By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Oct 2000 02:25:31 GMT

On 27 Oct 2000 23:27:37 GMT, JoeX1029 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i tend to agree.  GNU/Linux was not and is not for the desktop.
  
I tend to disagree, GNU/Linux is most certainly for the desktop :)

I should know, its been on my desktop exclusively since August97.

 
Kind Regards
Terry
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 up 1 week 5 days 22 hours 22 minutes
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:34:58 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: About the "other poor dork in deep shit, Claire"

Perhaps Drestin Black is the best troll to deal with
that one, after all. "Dork in deep shit" that's new
material for you porn site, Drestin.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:15:10 -0400

Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Oh really, fat ass?
> > http://www.webcom.com/petrich/my_portrait.jpg
> 
>    I've yet to comment on Mr. Kulkis's appearance, but I would not be
> surprised if he makes me seem scrawny.

I pass my US Army Physical Fitness Test.

2 minutes of pushups -- no credit for those done improperly
2 minutes of situps -- can you even do ONE situp, Loren?
followed by a 2-mile run.

Can you even run without blowing out your knees, Loren?





> 
> > Al Gore's plans are all about confiscating everybody's money, and
> > then returning it to them ONLY if agree to perform the appropriate
> > circus tricks for uncaring bureaucrats.
> 
>    Cry me a river. O former government employee.

You're still an agitator for the moocher-state, commie.  Why?  Because
you were a loser in high school, you're a loser now, and you drool with
anticipation the attendant police-state so that you can mete out 
government-sponsored revenge on those who teased you.

Grow up, loser, and quit making excuses for not providing for one's self.




> 
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Why should I keep advocating Linux?
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:31:55 GMT

To the Wintrolls.....Go Away!  This post has nothing to do with you.

During the time I've tried to advocate Linux, I keep getting flamed
about how I'm not doing advocating Linux correctly.  I'm afraid that the
right way to advocate Linux seems to be to just say nothing, run Linux
on my own systems, and say nothing hoping that the other people see what
I'm running and flock to my machine to find out more about Linux.  I've
done this but I've never had this happen.

It seems I can't say Linux is ready for prime time, nor am I allowed to
say that it will ever be ready for prime time in order to properly
advocate Linux.  I find this very hard to do since I've been running
Linux on my machines for the past 2 years, and have been able to get my
work done in prime time (including doing work for my employer on my
laptop running linux).  So when am I going to be able to advocate that
it is ready for prime time?  Apparently, even hinting that Linux is
ready for Prime Time is being a 'bad' Linvocate.

I seem to have to join a group philosophy that Linux has to be compared
to Windows.  I really don't understand why.  My research into the
history of Linux has pretty well convinced me that Windows was nowhere a
factor into the creation and development of Linux.  Furthermore, a lot
of people keep popping off about how KDE and Gnome are both Windows
look-alike, but what I see is that KDE is more of enhanced CDE Desktop,
and Gnome seems to be a cross/enhancement of Motif Window Manager and
CDE (Common Desktop Environment).  So, why in the process of advocating
must I keep measuring Linux progress against Windows?

I seem to have to join a group philosophy that Linux has to have a
single GUI standard just like Windows.  I can't buy this and I just
won't.....I enjoy my freedom of choice, and really appreciate that I can
make my machine look like Motif or CDE or Windows or Amiga or Atari or
Macintosh or just a simple Unix only Desktop on an account by account
basis.  However this seems to make me an improper Linux advocate.

And, finally, I've read the Linux Advocacy-HOWTO, and all I really get
out of it is to show Linux by example, but don't buck the Windows
hierarchy.  I don't understand how we can promote Linux if we don't let
the world know that Linux is here, yet we can just take it when the
Wintrolls keep spreading their lies about Linux.  I just don't think
this philosophy will ever get Linux in a position where people will even
look at it.

So I guess I have to conclude that I'm not a Linvocate that plays by the
Linux Advocacy rules (who made these rules anyhow?).  Comments?




------------------------------

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:34:56 GMT

A client of mine got the QAZ trojan back in June when it first started
appearing and the virus scanners didn't have it in their database.
What happened was it got on the kids PC and when he networked them
together sometime in June, the virus spread to the other systems on
the Network.

The giveaway was the fact that Notepad kept trying to dial the
internet and was always in the task list. The Trojan renames the real
notepad.exe to notepad.com (com files get executed before exe files of
the same name) so when you run notepad everything looks normal. The
trojan notepad sends your current ip address to some site in Asia
Pacific and if your system is open (no firewall) the fun begins.

I can't imagine how MS could have had the Trojan for 6 months without
knowing it. Also since it spreads itself to every machine on the
network chances are good the infection was much worse than they are
letting be known.

Maybe Billy should buy Symantec so he can set up a good
antivirus/trojan program?

claire

On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:09:07 -0500, "Bobby D. Bryant"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Nigel Feltham wrote:
>
>> Who will ever trust any of their products ever again.
>
>Who should be surprised?
>
>The only really interesting questions about this whole thing are, IMO,
>
>a) who was the thief,
>
>and
>
>b) what did MS say/do to the employee(s) who ran the trojan and gave the
>villans access?
>
>The latter is interesting especially interesting, since MS has been so adamant
>that the weakness-by-design is "a feature" and "easily locked down", whenever
>they come under criticism after the latest worm-of-the-month costs world
>businesses several Gigabucks.
>
>Bobby Bryant
>Austin, Texas
>


------------------------------

From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:30:13 -0500

MH cluelessly wrote:

> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> >
> > Very cool. All we have to do is wait. Sooner or later the code will be
> > posted, and we will get a good laugh.
> >
>
> No, but it would be interesting. Looking at NN's code would be funny.
> But then it is open now, isn't it.
> And I would guess that is why the folks at Mozilla decided on a complete
> re-write of it.

Actually, they released it *before* the re-write started.


> I love everyone's attitude about MS's source code somehow being "funny", or
> full of "goto's" and on and on.

I haven't heard the GOTO jokes yet, though they are a well-known mechanism for
quick fixes.

As for "funny", well we have pretty good /a priori/ reasons to expect that.  A
few months back there was a thread on comp.risks where a guy disassembled a
really simple MS program and was horrified at what he found.  (The most "funny"
parts were the inclusion of piles of string and image constants that were not
even used in the final program.)


> The truth is that none of you would more
> than likely even know what you were looking at if the source code for a MS
> office app or a MS os was in front of your face.

What's your basis for this claim?  You don't think *any* of us can program?
Rather, I suspect that *most* of us do.


> Oh, I know. It's SSSOOOO easy to write this stuff, isn't it?
> You're all so full of yourselves.

Actually, most software is pretty easy.  All it takes is a basic level of
cluefullness, a little bit of knowledge, a good bit of willingness to stop and
think ahead, and a whole lot of patience.

The fact that large amount of quality software written by volunteer effort
abounds and continues to grow, shows that there are probably millions of people
on this planet who think this kind of stuff is easy.

The rocket science is only a tiny, tiny fraction of all code written.


> Let he who can post his source for his best program here and now,  lay waste
> by way of comparison to the code of any MS application in use today. Let us
> see the code, hot-shots.
> Put up or shut up.

I'm hardly in a position to do a comparison with MS's code, since I don't get
my e-mail in Russia.  However, I am not ashamed to reveal my code in public.
Not even my unpolished pre-release code; you can download an example of about
2.5 KSLOC at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/bdbryant/phanax/.

When you are through writing up your critique, please mail it to me.  I expect
to be able to spend some time on that project next week, and I have already
solicited feedback from other quarters.  Might as well add yours into the pile.

Better yet, send patches; that's what releasing your code to the public is all
about.

Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas



------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:17:58 -0400

Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> > >    I have a theory that she's only interested in marrying Mr. Kulkis
> > > just to get US citizenship.
> 
> > If that were the case, she would have married another guy a few
> > years back.
> 
>    Don't be too sure. She may have thought that you were a more
> reliable immigration ticket.

Yes, women do find the ability to properly support one's self (without
depending on government bureaucrats) to be attractive.

By the way, do you interpret a desire to increase one's standard
of living to be something shameful?


> 
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:41:52 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Another Dork With A Problem, Claire, Fix Him, Will You?


> I want to upgrade my Windows 95 computer to Win98 SE, but only have the full
> install disk.  Does anyone know a way of doing this without having to spend
> a whole weekend backing up al my files and formatting the hard drive?

> Cheers
> Dom

Or perhaps he should install Windows 2000 instead? Piece of cake, isn't
it darling? It rocks all right doesn't it?

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