Linux-Advocacy Digest #880, Volume #34 Thu, 31 May 01 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: ouch! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks: ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Ray Fischer)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Terry Porter)
Re: Bill Gates on CNBC In Depth tonight - how come no mention of Linux? ("Paolo
Ciambotti")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Terry Porter)
Re: Microsoft Helps Turn Britain's E-Government Vision Into Reality (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (longhaul)
Re: SourceForge hacked! ("Paolo Ciambotti")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ouch!
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:17:47 -0400
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Fri, 25 May 2001 02:12:35 -0400
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Richard Thrippleton wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <4ulO6.108$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, tony roth wrote:
> >> >My friend (name to be withheld since he's a real freak hacker) found a nice
> >> >little bug in a very very popular OSS package he was quite grateful for the
> >> >open source code since he did not have to do any reverse engineering.
> >> I doubt this very much; "freak hacker" = "script kiddy" . He might
> >> be 1337 on irc, but I doubt he could understand C code, much less some
> >> obscure security implementation. I don't think we have anything 2 ph33r.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >
> >Tony has been reported to the FBI for aiding and abetting a felon.
> >
> >We'll see how long he crows.
> >
> >heheheh
>
> Of course, now *we* all know that there *is* a freak hacker out there,
> that he has a hack, and that it can be dangerous. Presumably the FBI
> could prosecute *us* for "failing to provide information in a timely
> manner regarding a dangerous software bug". (The fact that we
> don't know his name, handle, modus operandi, wishes, pets, and
> even whether he goes to sleep at a reasonable hour -- i.e., 4 AM --
> is a minor detail.)
The difference is... Tony *DOES* know that information.
hehehehe.
>
> Lovely thought -- is George Orwell still alive? :-)
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 31d:20h:57m actually running Linux.
> Be paranoid. Everyone else is.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks:
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:19:54 -0400
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "drsquare"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 30 May 2001 23:36:21 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> >>>>I believe you missed the point. When ever anyone points out that Aaron
> >>>>is anti-social and rude, he always says its OK because its a free
> >>>>country and he is (in essense) free to be an arsehole.
> >
> >>> This would never happen under the Nazis.
> >
> >>Are you trying to end the thread?
> >
> > No, why would you think that?
>
> G******s law?
If he wanted to invoke Godwin's MISINTERPRETED law, he would
have fucking called you Adolph Hitler.
Anything less does NOT invoke Godwin's law, you idiot.
Now, say goodnight, Herman
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> (You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
>
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--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Fischer)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:17:17 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>it's one way that gays and their anal-sex
You sure do obsess on anal sex.
Something you'd care to share with the rest of us?
--
Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 01 Jun 2001 00:39:21 GMT
On Thu, 31 May 2001 15:50:27 +0200,
Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Thu, 31 May 2001 09:24:15 +0100,
>> Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>> >
>> > Ah I see what you mean. You mean control of windows. I had noticed you
>> > can drag around a window in Linux when its process is hung, something
>> > you can't do on Windows. However, that's not a huge advantage. I have
>> > seen you can kill a window on X but leave its process still hung and
>> > running. I think the same is possible on Windows.
>>
>> If Windows had a native process display, then you would know.
>>
>> With Linux if an app hangs and its window is unusable, one can easily find
>> the process and kill it.
>
> Same in Windows, what is your point?
Process id's are not available in Win95 or Win98, perhaps theyre avail
in Win2k?
>
>
>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill Gates on CNBC In Depth tonight - how come no mention of Linux?
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:48:55 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Anonymous"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Gates on CNBC In Depth tonight - how come no mention of Linux?
>
> What happened?
> Not even the press mentioned Linux!
>
> Has Linux fallen off the radar screen again?
I don't suppose it would have anything to do with MSFT being a technology
partner and investor in CNBC, would it?
"The truth seems to be that propaganda on its own cannot force its way
into unwilling minds; neither can it inculcate something wholly new; nor
can it keep people persuaded once they have ceased to believe. It
penetrates into minds already open, and rather than instill opinion it
articulates and justifies opinions already present in the minds of its
recipients." - Eric Hoffer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 01 Jun 2001 00:41:31 GMT
On Thu, 31 May 2001 19:51:04 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>> If Windows had a native process display, then you would know.
>
> Windows 2000 certainly does, Windows has if you get hold of the process
> viewer.
>
>> With Linux if an app hangs and its window is unusable, one can easily find
>> the process and kill it.
>
> How do you do that? How can you tell what process is unusable and
> corresponds to a window (if you're not familiar with that app)?
There are many ways, it's no big deal.
>
>> > No need to rebuild the kernel.
>>
>> Thats not an example of advanced, its an example of limitation.
>
> I'd hardly call the ability to build a kernel a great feature.
I would, because then one can tailor a kernel to fit ones needs,
ie size v/s facilities.
>
> --
> Pete
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
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Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 01 Jun 2001 00:44:08 GMT
On Thu, 31 May 2001 19:46:22 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>> Pete, you've become a stuck record, alternating between asking for info
>> previously supplied, and accusing me of being a liar.
>>
>> Get a grip.
>
> You get a grip. Post an example or SHUT UP!
I have, you ignored it, and this is what happens.
Next time, pay atttention.
>
> --
> Pete
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
Free Micro burner: http://jsno.downunder.net.au/terry/
** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Helps Turn Britain's E-Government Vision Into Reality
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:46:11 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/2001/Mar01/03-27BritainPR.asp
> >
> > Funny that we didn't hear people like Jan Johanson and Chad Myers tooting
> > their horns in here about this rollout. It does appear to be one of the
> > first MS rollouts based on .NET, and especially Jan is always ready to
> > remind us how great MS is.
> > Could it possibly be that this rollout had the effect of locking out a
> > segment of the UK population from communicating electronically with their
> > government? See also:
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19239.html
> >
> > So, aside from being a monopolist, MS is actually being anti-democratic.
> > Welcome to the MS future people.
>
> "You cannot access the Government Gateway at the moment. This is because
> you are either using an old version of a browser, or the browser you are
> using does not have the correct settings. Read this page to find out
> which browsers are supported and which settings to use.
>
> Supported Browsers
>
> We have made the Government Gateway compatible with as many browsers as
> possible, on both PCs and Macintoshes. However, because we need to
> maintain maximum security on this web site, we cannot support
> older versions of browsers. To use the Government Gateway, you must have:
> a PC, with Windows 95 or later, or Windows NT 4.0 or later
> with Microsoft Internet Explorer version 4.01 or later
> or Netscape Navigator version 4.08 or later
> OR an Apple Macintosh with Mac OS version 7.5 or later
> with Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.0 or later
> or Netscape Navigator version 4.xx or later
> a working Internet connection
> the 128-bit security add-in, for your version of the browser
>
> Please note that you cannot currently use Netscape 6 to access the
> Government Gateway, due to issues with the support for digital
> certificates in this new version. You can find out which version of the
> browser version you are currently using, by clicking on Help, then
> About?, in the menu bar of your browser. The name and version number of
> your browser is displayed."
>
> That was with Opera 5. It would appear that Netscape in an earlier form
> is supported but not Netscape 6.0
>
> --
> Pete
Yah! 128 bit encryption on IE5.5! Come to me Inland Revenue payments!
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:04:09 -0400
Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >it's one way that gays and their anal-sex
>
> You sure do obsess on anal sex.
No. I merely mention it because it's the crux of the fucking PROBLEM
under discusion.
>
> Something you'd care to share with the rest of us?
>
> --
> Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (longhaul)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 01:06:06 GMT
On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:35:37 -0400, unicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The following are the editorial opinions of the author- no more
>no less...
>
>While the bloated giant Microsoft is buying favorable publicity
>in News-fluff magazines with promises of big chunks of
>advertising for the X-flop video game, smart firms are realizing
>the truth - Microsoft is in serious trouble.
>
This is all well and good for you techy's who understand computers. I
don't. MSFT is user friendly to me. Sorry. Just my opinion. I hate
to go counter with millstox but us non-techies owe our computers to
MSFT.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:12:21 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have to admit that I've never once heard of a security incident
> regarding a MSFT-based service that provides shell access to 180,000
> users.
Considering the wide-open nature of SourceForge, this is almost a
non-hack. It's not so much like breaking into a locked car as it is like
breaking into a public parking lot.
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