Linux-Advocacy Digest #993, Volume #29 Wed, 1 Nov 00 22:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good! (2:1)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (2:1)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Chris Applegate")
Re: Considering Linux for personal use ("mmnnoo")
Re: I think I'm in love..... ("mmnnoo")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Why Linux is great (George Richard Russell)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why Linux is great (2:1)
to all who responded ("C. Nolan McKinney")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (.)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (.)
Re: Considering Linux for personal use ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I think I'm in love..... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good!
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:44:19 +0000
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "Tim Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tim Smith wrote:
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Laugh all you want. Microsoft have lost the server market. Linux is
> > > >making inroads on the desktop. Now that they have been hacked (and not
> > >
> > > The Linux inroads on the desktop are not very big. Linux is a better OS
> > > than any version of Windows, but Microsoft has a much better graphical
> > > shell than anything available for Linux.
> >
> > I am getting so sick of hearing this. What makes the windows explorer
> > shell soooo much better than KDE or GNOME? What? Name ONE THING, and
> don't
> > resort to application availability issues, because that has nothing to do
> > with the graphical shell.
>
> Drag and drop that works consistently, logically and predictably.
Noooooo!
Try dragging something on to a running app. You'll find it's DSWDBMD
(drag, stop, wait, drag a bit more, drop), not DND.
That's neither consistent, nor predictable.
Besides DnD works in KDE apps.
> And by limiting it to only the KDE "shell", it is a most unfair comparison,
> since almost all the really useful things in Windows and MacOS like common
> dialogs, common keyboard shortcuts, common look&feel and global copy & paste
> have little to do with the "shell" you use for file management.
1 Most KDE apps share a common look and feel.
2 Not all windows apps do (winamp, for one)
> > Both KDE and GNOME are superior UI's to anything micros~1 has produced.
>
> KDE has mostly surpassed the level of functionality that was present in
> Windows 3.1. It's going to take it a while to get to the level of modern
> Windows and MacOS GUIs.
What do they do extra?
>
> > The windows shell is one of the worst UI's ever concieved.
>
> Not a good advertisement for KDE considering that KDE is largely a copy of
> it. And the Windows GUI is _streets_ ahead of either KDE or GNOME right
> now.
>
> Having said that, however, I'm most impressed in how far KDE has come, all
> things considered.
You haven't once said in what way KDE or GNOME ore worse.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:47:45 +0000
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Neither does Outlook. The basic principle is identical - all you need
> to do
> > > is attach a shell script and convince someone to execut it it in a
> shell.
> > > Most mailers let you pipe attachments straight from the email to any
> program
> > > you want, so all you need is a message body that says something like:
> > >
> > > "Press |, then type /bin/sh and hit return to see Natalie Portman obey
> your
> > > every wish."
> > >
> > > And an attachment like:
> > > #!/bin/sh
> > > rm -rf /* > /dev/null &
> > > echo "Loading up, please wait...."
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > There's an easy way to protect yourself: run it in a chrooted system as
> > an ordinary user. The worst that can happen is that the guinea pig
> > user's files (which this attachment is probably the only one) gets
> > trashed. That's it.
> >
> >
> > Or, run it as a guinea pig user on a non chrooted system. Same goes:
> > nothing but the guinea pig gets trashed.
>
> There's an even easier way to protect yourself - don't run it at all.
> However, the point isn't whether or not it's easy to protect yourself -
> because it is - the point is that idiots on both platforms as just as
> vulnerable. A lot of people run as root, even those who know better.
That's true, most people are their own worst enemies. However, with 1/2
a neuron or more, you can easily run the program in a sandbox if you're
desperate to see Natalie Protman fulfil your every wish :-)
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Chris Applegate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:56:31 -0500
I did a CTRL-ALT-Backspace. In fact, I've gotten so I can hit
ctrl-alt-bspace almost reflexively, just like ctrl-alt-delete. Didn't work
that time.
CDA
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From: "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Considering Linux for personal use
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 01:58:53 GMT
"Tiro Verus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:JIPL5.1889$5v6.24781@iad-
<snip>
> In any case, no one, repeat
> no one should try attempt the first install solo.
<snip>
Come on now, most everybody does just that.
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From: "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I'm in love.....
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:00:41 GMT
"Ken McFelea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Just installed Linux Mandrake 7.2. Read the manual for about an hour.
> Spent an hour installing it and it has already stolen my heart. Could be
> puppy love though.
<snip>
It gets better, not worse.
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:03:09 +1000
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8tql1c$rqu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Which will run a data center for at most, a few hours. What happens
if
> an
> > > earthquake hits, or a plane crashes into the data center, or any
number
> of
> > > other natural catastrophies that might occur to a single site.
> > >
> >
> > Great. And what happens if a nuclear missile hits Redmond?
> > Linux, on the other hand, you'd have to nuke half the planet.
>
> I don't think so, all you need to do is to kill one man, Linus, and then
the
> linux compunity is going to be:
> A> In shock
> B> Un-unified.
>
> Very soon there will be no official kernel, no one with the autority to
> release it, Linux will split up to various groups which will be totally
> incompatible. Reasonable people will move to BSD.
>
> (Yes, that is the worst case scenario, but a lot of people has already
> expressed worry about Linus being the center on Linux.)
I think you'd probably have to knock off a few of the other maintainers like
Alan Cox to get that sort of reaction.
For the zealots, a quick visit to kt.linxcare.com to determine who the most
voluminous posters to the kernel mailing list are should aid you in
assembling a suitable hit list[1].
[1] Note that I'm not seriously suggesting anyone start killing people, or
even consider it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (George Richard Russell)
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:04:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Ginn wrote:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (George Richard Russell) writes:
>> >ls *.mp3 | sort | sed -e "$(cat -n tracks | sed -e's/\([0-9][0-9]*\)[
>> >\ ]\(.*\)/\1s!\\(\.\*\\)!mv \\1 \"\2\.mp3\"!/')" | sh
>> >
>> >That's a small script I happen to use a lot. What's the easiest way of
>> >doing it in a GUI?
>>
>> Get a better ripper - one that does CDDB lookups. Say ripenc for
>> *unixen
>
>
>Actually, I rip a lot of opera CDs, and they are often not found
>by the CDDB server, so I can certainly understand the need for a
>command such as this. It's certainly better than clicking on each
>title in the file manager and changing the names one at a time,
>wouldn't you agree?
OK, get a better ripper, that allows tracknames to be piped in from
a file.
Or frankly, cut 'n paste the names from the text file.
You still have to type the names in once - it doesn't matter where.
George Russell
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:08:56 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Chris Ahlstrom in alt.destroy.microsoft;
>Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>
>> I would say that you're a rare case. Practically everyone that I've talked
>> to agrees that 2000 is (much) more stable than NT.
>
>It is more stable, mainly because 2000 is better able to kill a crashed app.
But still can't do it reliably (as evidenced by the kill.exe recently
discussed, which probably can't do much better than the task manager,
anyway), so it doesn't really say much for how "stable" W2K might be.
Its probably pretty tough, after all, to get the OS to be able to
reliably kill a crashed app, when you try so hard to hand-wave the
difference between OS and app, as Microsoft does.
>> > I would challenge anyone to get Windows up and running, and Linux up and
>> > running, use them for awhile, and then determine which feels more
>> > pleasant to use. Personally, I find "waiting for Windows" to be much
>> > more painful now that I've gotten used to Linux.
>>
>> Windows wins hands down.
>
>Not in my book. It is so slow and unresponsive compared to Linux.
>Start a file search on Windows, then try to edit a Notepad text file.
>Start a file search on Linux, then edit using, e.g., vi.
>
>Which feels more responsive. In my experience, Linux, by far.
So 2K still doesn't fix the fundamental failure of NT to multitask
acceptably, eh? (My personal experience is limited. I won't touch the
stuff, unless I have to. Had to use it last week in a service
provider's NOC in Boston. It worked a lot like NT (X crashed, just like
it usually does, and in a way which required hard resetting the box [I'm
not sure if it was the power switch or the cord]), except for the
annoying "fade in" menus as the valuable use of resources which gives
the mouse pointer a drop shadow (outside of an X window, at least).
>> When you are talking about pleasent of use, windows GUI is by far superior
>> to any thing that linux or unix produced so far.
>
>I've not experienced that very much. Windows is sometimes less clumsy than
>Gnome/X, but it reacts more slowly.
[...]
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 04:05:41 +0200
"Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8tqi24$amr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8tql1c$rqu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Which will run a data center for at most, a few hours. What happens
> if
> > an
> > > > earthquake hits, or a plane crashes into the data center, or any
> number
> > of
> > > > other natural catastrophies that might occur to a single site.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Great. And what happens if a nuclear missile hits Redmond?
> > > Linux, on the other hand, you'd have to nuke half the planet.
> >
> > I don't think so, all you need to do is to kill one man, Linus, and then
> the
> > linux compunity is going to be:
> > A> In shock
> > B> Un-unified.
> >
> > Very soon there will be no official kernel, no one with the autority to
> > release it, Linux will split up to various groups which will be totally
> > incompatible. Reasonable people will move to BSD.
> >
> > (Yes, that is the worst case scenario, but a lot of people has already
> > expressed worry about Linus being the center on Linux.)
>
> I think you'd probably have to knock off a few of the other maintainers
like
> Alan Cox to get that sort of reaction.
>
> For the zealots, a quick visit to kt.linxcare.com to determine who the
most
> voluminous posters to the kernel mailing list are should aid you in
> assembling a suitable hit list[1].
Okay, didn't check, just in case something would happen to them and the
finger would be pointed at me.
But still, you don't have to kill nearly as many people to kill linux as
you've to kill windows.
(You've to nuke more than just Redmond for this, you've to nuke every
Microsoft <nation> in the world, as they have the localized source for MS
prodcuts.)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:12:44 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Chris Ahlstrom in alt.destroy.microsoft;
>Ayende Rahien wrote:
[...]
>> Please check pre-win95 days, there wasn't a registery then, see how much fun
>> they had those days.
>
>Yeah, just as much fun as they have now. Moving INI file entries
>to a hierarchical database is no real improvement that I can see.
Actually, Ayende is mistaken. Windows 3.1 had a registry. It wasn't
used for very much, and didn't work precisely like the Win95/NT
registry, but it was there.
[...]
>> What do you mean tunneled X-Windows instead of downloaded code?
>
>I mean run an X-client on your end, and an X-server at the server's
>end. [...]
I hate to be the pedantic one, but you run the X-server on your end, and
the X-client on the server's end. Honest. :-)
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 04:03:28 +0000
George Richard Russell wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >George Richard Russell wrote:
> >> KDE, however nice, is limited in scope, and no Unix desktop
> >> will ever shed its cli roots
> >
> >I should hope not. The command line is extermely powerful. It is much
> >easier to do complex commands in the CLI than on a GUI.
>
> Indeed.
>
> And yet, who wants to remember such hideous syntax?
I've memorized the syntax. I've found I use sed so much, I know it
pretty well now. It is extremely useful and powerful once you learn it.
Besides, it's nice having a language that auto-obfuscates.
Once sed becomes natural, it is irreplaceable. You can use it in place
of the rename command to, to do a bunch of renames on similarly named
files, but it is much more powerful. Of course, you could make it use a
different command (bladeenc, say, instead of mv) to make it convert all
your wavs in to mp3s, which, incedentally is another script which took
all of 1 minute to write.
> If you rarely use a tool, is it quicker to read the man page
> and assemble your command line - say using find to find all
> mp3 files over a certain age in a directory tree and then
> deleting them,
>
> OR
>
> Using, say, kfind, tick the checkboxes, enter *.mp3, and
> drag the results to the trash?
That's about the most complicated thing you can do. Tyr doing something
more complex.
> Of course, cli advocates like to tout automation.
Automation is good if you like automating things, which I do. I hate
repetititititive tasks.
> KDE 2 exposes some of its functionality to scripting in
> various languages. So, it may be possible to drive kfind
> without manual intervention.
>
> I think DCOP is what is used to do this.
>
> >ls *.mp3 | sort | sed -e "$(cat -n tracks | sed -e's/\([0-9][0-9]*\)[
> >\ ]\(.*\)/\1s!\\(\.\*\\)!mv \\1 \"\2\.mp3\"!/')" | sh
> >
> >That's a small script I happen to use a lot. What's the easiest way of
> >doing it in a GUI?
> Get a better ripper - one that does CDDB lookups. Say ripenc for
> *unixen
I have made my own ripper, as you can see, that uses cdda2wav as the
back end and some scripts as the front end. As for CDDB lookups, I like
to be able to rip CDs off line. The scripts really do provide me with
exactly the functionality I need. Plus I didn't have to search for a
good ripper, since the UNIX environment provides a very good front end.
Besides, I like this script, now. It's the first sed script that writes
a sed script that I've ever written.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "C. Nolan McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: to all who responded
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:24:54 GMT
Thanks, everyone, for the responses. The more I read here and on web pages,
the more I realise that I need to read more! I will in the next few weeks
read up on Linux installation, as I am already sold on its benefits.
Again, thanks,
Nolan
--
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:46:13 +1300
> At least he has a GUI. Don't you?
> Oh wait, you aren't running windows or mac or os2 or beos.
> You're running linux.
> Sorry.
> Never mind.
Wholly shit! A mecha-troll sighted! Even retarded children know that
Linux has GUIs in abundance.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 04:47:03 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Chris Ahlstrom in alt.destroy.microsoft;
> >Ayende Rahien wrote:
> [...]
> >> Please check pre-win95 days, there wasn't a registery then, see how
much fun
> >> they had those days.
> >
> >Yeah, just as much fun as they have now. Moving INI file entries
> >to a hierarchical database is no real improvement that I can see.
>
> Actually, Ayende is mistaken. Windows 3.1 had a registry. It wasn't
> used for very much, and didn't work precisely like the Win95/NT
> registry, but it was there.
It had? I wasn't aware of it.
Anyway, it doesn't matter, most programs didn't use it.
INI files where the way it went.
And it went *badly*
> [...]
> >> What do you mean tunneled X-Windows instead of downloaded code?
> >
> >I mean run an X-client on your end, and an X-server at the server's
> >end. [...]
>
> I hate to be the pedantic one, but you run the X-server on your end, and
> the X-client on the server's end. Honest. :-)
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
>
>
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:50:15 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Nigel Feltham in alt.destroy.microsoft;
>>>
>>>I would take your word for it.
>>>If you want a CD Burning software, you can get a fully functional shareware
>>>that gives you a message when you start, but doesn't limit you other wise.
>>>Or whose limitation is in the burning speed.
>>
>>Can you? Where?
>
>
>Try searching for CDRWIN by golden hawk technology (shareware - limited to
>1x speed) or NERO - both very good shareware CD burning packages ( I still
>prefer kisocd under linux though - free, easy to use, reliable and no speed
>limit).
Yes, apparently, somebody has decided to take a stand. CDRWIN and Nero
are both available from http://www.narduk.com/tcdc/new.html. I haven't
tried them, but they didn't exist last year when I was looking for
freeware/shareware CD-WR software.
It looks like this site (affiliation with the software developers
unknown) only came up this year, and was down through July and August.
Its no surprise the "common knowledge" is that there aren't any
alternative free CD utilities for Windows outside the bundleware.
There had been a half dozen or more referenced on lots of sites, which
appeared to be timely, virtual ink still wet in some cases, when I
looked last year. After more than a dozen trials, none of which ended
up revealing any actual software available anywhere, I figured whoever's
making money off that EZ-CD Creator bundle they ship with just about
every CD-WR burner had gotten their lawyers busy and gotten everything
yanked. I never heard any hullabaloo, though, so I thought maybe it was
just harder than it seems and those web references (we're talking "click
here to download" being non-opp on three different products on multiple
download sites) were dead because the software was non-functional. But
then again, maybe its just that nobody sent out a press release, so its
like it never happened. (I didn't save any documentation of my failed
search, and I can't even recall if Nero or CDR-Win were among the six
programs I almost tracked down. It wouldn't surprise me, and Nero and
CDR-Win are listed as versions "5.0.0.9" and "38a", respectively.
With all the excitement over MP3, it stands to reason that newer efforts
have been made. These two packages seem to both be geared towards
ripping and straight CD copying. I'm not sure how useful they are, in
terms of flexibility.
But thanks, Nigel. Its amazing how many orders of magnitude finding
these things are when someone mentions real names. A WebFerret search
for "CDRWIN or (golden hawk technology)" coughed up this site within
twenty seconds, and it was only the third that I checked (the first with
legitimate content). In contrast, it took me twenty minutes to weed
through the initial results when I checked for "CD writer software" a
couple weeks ago, and I never found anything that qualified, IMHO. (In
retrospect, had I searched for "CD burner software", I'd have found a
lot more a lot faster, and no doubt would have found narduk.com.)
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:49:25 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:AiVL5.28707$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > There is no reasonable argument that states that the ratio between "many
> > to one" sites (multiple servers per site) and "one to many" (multiple
> > sites per server) is vastly different across systems. Although I think
> > that it is more likely that the "many to one" case weighs in Apache's
> > side because it is almost trivial to manage a 100 apache servers behind
> > a load balancer.
>
> How is it not trivial for IIS? I suppose it's a little more difficult
> because IIS servers typically serve up dynamic content pointed at a
> database, whereas a majority of those Apache servers are on hosting
provider
> sites and only serve up static html, which is all Apache is good for.
>
> -Chad
You are even farther off from the truth than usual with that statement.
Apache isn't just a server, it is a toolbox of modules that are used
for all sorts of dynamic content generation. Mod_perl and mod_php
are the most general and include database connectivity, but there
are plenty of others. One thing I find trivial with apache where I
haven't found any equivalent in IIS is the ability that the combination
of mod_rewrite and mod_proxy give you: you can do regular
expression rewrites of an inbound URL and proxy the resulting
request transparently through to a different server. Combining
that with mod_include you can use virtual includes in a page
to assemble subrequests pulled from other machines.
Plus, of course, unix handles starting processes better so ordinary
cgi programs work fine under apache until you hit about 30 requests
a second.
Les Mikesell
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:50:03 +1300
> Windows wins hands down.
> When you are talking about pleasent of use, windows GUI is by far superior
> to any thing that linux or unix produced so far.
I don't think it's possible to state such a subjective thing as fact
buddy. I find the CLI in linux to be more usable, powerful,
comprehensible, and consistent than any Windows GUI produced so far.
But of course, that's my opinion, not the Linux CLI winning hands down...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Considering Linux for personal use
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:45:57 GMT
In article <xT3M5.151882$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Come on now, most everybody does just that.
And when they do, we get to hear about Clair^W their failure in here
for-fucking-ever, ad-nauseum, ad-infinitum, til-death-do-us-part, over
and over and over like a broken record. Long after any legitimate causes
for Clair's^W their failure have long been fixed with a new release.
If you're a newbie, buy a pre-install. If you can't buy a pre-install,
contact a LUG (Linux Users Group) for help. If you can't find a LUG,
then pick a distro for newbies. And if you screw it up, don't whine
about it here, just go back to what you were using; nobody cares. If you
were a Windows user and you screw up a Linux install and go back to
Windows, the Windows users won't care that you're back. And the Linux
users won't care that you're gone. Just use what works for you and tell
the rest of the world to bugger off.
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I think I'm in love.....
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:52:00 GMT
In article <dV3M5.151887$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Ken McFelea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Just installed Linux Mandrake 7.2. Read the manual for about an
hour.
> > Spent an hour installing it and it has already stolen my heart.
Could be
> > puppy love though.
> <snip>
>
> It gets better, not worse.
>
And like love, it takes time to build the relationship.
OTOH, if all you want is to get fucked, and don't mind throwing away
money, there's always that slut from Redmond... <grin>
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