Linux-Advocacy Digest #993, Volume #30 Wed, 20 Dec 00 17:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux! (John Travis)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Kulkis digest, volume 2451897 (John Jensen)
Re: Pb with RealTek LAN Adapter (Richard Watson)
Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (LShaping)
Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Since this is an Advocacy.... (Craig Kelley)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:33:31 -0500
Bracy wrote:
>
> I wasn't saying that you advocate Windows.
>
> I was just more than a little angered by your characterizing
> my knowledge and experience as merely "pointing and clicking."
> Windows is a quirky OS, and isn't all that easy to support -- it isn't
> stable, it isn't secure, and the average Windows user has the
> intelligence level of a slug.
>
> There was a time when a DOS/Windows user had a better
> understanding of computers than a Macintosh user, but those days
> are gone.
The point is...LoseDOS doesn't let you do anything other than
point and click. ANYTHING you do is merely a matter of hoping
that what you want is available on a menu...somewhere.
And if it's not...you're screwed.
>
> Bracy
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:34:16 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine writes:
> Joe Malloy wrote:
>> Tholen tholes and thereby pontificate:
>>
>> > > Ah, I see. So we're supposed to do what in these forums
>> (fora?), again?
>> >
>> > Come to conclusions using a little logic.
>>
>> Spoken by the god of uselessnet, Tholen!
> No no. Tholen is extremely logical. Pedantic, argumentative,
> nitpicky, but quite logical.
Where is the alleged pedanticism?
> He will also catch you in contradictions -- he's already caught
> me in one. This from my admittedly very short (maybe a week at
> most) engagement with him in debate.
>
> (As an example -- we are quibbling about whether a power
> switch is intuitive in another thread.)
GM] To me, it's useful. To you (and most others), the arrow keys may in fact
GM] be far more intuitive.
GM]
GM] This is not a problem.
]
DT] Irrelevant, given that it wasn't described as a problem.
]
GM] Obviously, it is a problem.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:34:44 -0500
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:02:02 GMT, Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Anyone out there make a Selectric style keyboard for PCs?
>
> I have an old Northgate keyboard with that layout that I bought at a
> church yard sale for $3. It even clicks when you type, the better to
> drive your office-mates batty <g>.
>
> I think the Happy Hacking keyboard is probably the closest thing in
> current production.
>
> And please don't quote the Kulkis-sig. He gets way too much publicity
> as it is.
heh heh heh
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| Codem Systems, Inc.
> -| http://www.codem.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:35:49 -0500
David Casey wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > We could always charge Europe for each time we save their butts.
> >
> > That's what I liked about the Saudis....they truly showed their
> > gratituded by helping defray our costs.
>
> Please don't ever agree with me no matter how right I might be. It makes my
> credibility go down for such a loser like yourself to agree with me.
>
False premise
> Dave
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:36:29 GMT
Jeff Glatt writes:
> Joe Malloy wrote:
>> I edited your comments so that they would say what you meant. No
>> thanks necessary, Tholen!
> HAHAHAHAH!!! Good one, Joe!!
Doesn't surprise me that you would enjoy the dishonest alteration of
what someone wrote. It just demonstrates the depths to which you'll
stoop to find something -- anything -- to antagonize, Glatt.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Travis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:22:15 GMT
And [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoke unto the masses...
>So finally, December 14th, 2000 the card gets what still amounts to
>half ass'd support.
>
>Where is the surround sound BTW?
Umm.. that's what the entertainment center is for. My harmon/kardon's sound
great in Linux, Windows and FreeBSD.
>Works fine for me. Must be something you are doing wrong.
Actually it was more a question to confirm what card you have, and who you
probably are...
>Acceptable?
>
>What you really mean is that although they "work", they are not as
>good as the Windows versions and your card is not performing up to the
>level of performance it was designed for.
No it performs very well in either OS (TNT2 Ultra), because erm...the drivers
are the same genious.
jt
--
Debian Gnu/Linux [Woody]
2.4.0-test9-ReiserFs|XFree4.0.1|nVidia.95 Drivers
You mean there's a stable tree?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:37:39 GMT
Jeff Glatt writes:
>> The Ghost In The Machine writes:
>>> Ah, I see. So we're supposed to do what in these forums (fora?), again?
>> Come to conclusions using a little logic.
> Or in the case of Tholen, very, very, very little logic... in the form
> of "circular"
Or in the case of Glatt, make claims with zero substantiation.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:40:20 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine writes:
> Joe Malloy wrote:
>> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>> > Tholen tholes and thereby pontificate:
>>> >
>>> >> > Ah, I see. So we're supposed to do what in these forums
>>> >(fora?), again?
>>> >>
>>> >> Come to conclusions using a little logic.
>>> >
>>> >Spoken by the god of uselessnet, Tholen!
>>> No no. Tholen is extremely logical. Pedantic, argumentative,
>>> nitpicky, but quite logical. He will also catch you in
>>> contradictions -- he's already caught me in one. This from
>>> my admittedly very short (maybe a week at most) engagement
>>> with him in debate.
>>>
>>> (As an example -- we are quibbling about whether a power
>>> switch is intuitive in another thread.)
>> I take it you haven't seen Jeff's compendium of Tholen quotes where
>> what he says is merely situational, that is, he contradicts himself
>> quite often. Tholen's a buffoon, nothing more. I've seen your
>> "discussion" with the god of uselessnet and all I can say is, never
>> has so much been said of something so minor by the likes of Tholen,
>> i.e., he of little sense!
> No, I haven't, and logic can be used badly, especially where
> nitpicking is concerned. Case in point: the "intuitiveness"
> of the power button we're now debating -- what point is it
> being logical when we're discussing intuition?
It's better than being illogical.
> So maybe I should have picked a slightly different word;
> he does seem to want to get on people's nerves.
What seems to you is irrelevant. You want somebody that wants to
get on people's nerves, check out the antagonists here. Malloy is
one of them.
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kulkis digest, volume 2451897
Date: 20 Dec 2000 21:20:44 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: > It is too bad that my advice was taken as a complaint. Our Kulkis might
: > be happier if he learned when to suffer fools lightly.
: I prefer to make the fool suffer.
You presuppose some fool is suffering.
John
--
33° 39' 44N 117° 45' 08W
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From: Richard Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Pb with RealTek LAN Adapter
Date: 20 Dec 2000 20:58:42 +0000
Wine Development <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As I understand it the 8029 is not supported under Linux. the 8129 and
> 8139 are.
Not so.
ne2k-pci.c:v1.02 10/19/2000 D. Becker/P. Gortmaker
http://www.scyld.com/network/ne2k-pci.html
eth0: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0x7000, IRQ 11, 00:00:E8:F0:5F:92.
All you need it to modprobe ne2k-pci and there it is.
--
Richard Watson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG/PGP:0xAE411550 ICQ:65274884
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:56:15 GMT
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:22:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Travis) wrote:
>And [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoke unto the masses...
>
>>So finally, December 14th, 2000 the card gets what still amounts to
>>half ass'd support.
>>
>>Where is the surround sound BTW?
>
>Umm.. that's what the entertainment center is for. My harmon/kardon's sound
>great in Linux, Windows and FreeBSD.
Didn't know HK could play games.
BTW where "is" surround sound support for the Soundblaster?
You pay $20.00 for an OSS version and it still, half ass'd.
The card has only been out for something like 4 years or so and it
looks like, true to form, Linux will support it when Creative
discontinues it.
>>Works fine for me. Must be something you are doing wrong.
>
>Actually it was more a question to confirm what card you have, and who you
>probably are...
Plug the card in and enjoy all of it's features, features that you
paid for BTW. Oh yea, that's with Windows, not Lus-ix.
>
>No it performs very well in either OS (TNT2 Ultra), because erm...the drivers
>are the same genious.
So then it supports DRI under Linux?
Hmmmm?
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:01:37 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>(FM transmitters can fit into microphones
If the transmitter can run off of the microphones power source,
because they require a lot of power. I do not know what the state of
the art is, just that transmitters require one thousand times more
power (a rough estimate) than receivers.
LShaping
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use?
Date: 20 Dec 2000 14:50:10 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
> Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
> >
> >>
> >> It is widely understood that redhat is the (by far) shittiest linux
> >> distribution that currently exists.
>
> > Widely understood by whom?
>
> By people who use linux all the time.
Hmm, I use Linux all the time; everyone around here uses Linux all the
time. I'm involved with a Linux user's group here -- they all use
Linux all the time.
I don't know these "people" that you keep talking about.
> > I use RedHat all the time and I'd definately put Corel Linux, Stable
> > Debian and Slackware behind it for different reasons:
>
> > Corel Linux is completely unstable
>
> But far more secure.
Unstable is secure?
Perhaps you need to define security.
> > Stable Debian is so stable, it's modly with old software
>
> You are entirely misinformed.
Debian stable first used a 2.2 kernel on August 15, 2000 -- almost 2
years after the 2.2 kernel made its first apearance.
> > Slackware has horrible package management
>
> So install RPM. Thats the beauty of linux you know.
That's why I use a distribution, so that the mundane is done for me.
> > I like SuSE and Mandrake, but I can't see much difference between them
> > and RedHat 7...
>
> Then you're either blind or completely inexperienced.
More unsubstantiated, insulting attacks. Are you sure you're not
Aaron Kulkis?
> > I, for one, understand Linux completely -- and I totally disagree with
> > your assesment.
>
> You do not understand linux at ALL if you cannot see the enormouse
> differences between even mandrake and redhat.
Up until last year, Mandrake was RedHat compiled with pgcc and KDE was
included.
I don't count that as an enormouse[sic] difference.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Since this is an Advocacy....
Date: 20 Dec 2000 14:59:13 -0700
"Martigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have a Butchered Dell system, old PIII 450 with Geforce,
> SoundBlaster.... I have installed Caldera 2.3 with the old Gfx card, no
> prob. BUT with the GeForce the Xfree couldn't hack it, so I wanted to
> install RH6.2, no luck. RH 6.2, RH 7.0, Mandrake 7.1, Mandrake 7.2, and
> Caldera 2.3 give me the same stuff. At the Graphical install the Keyboard
> and mouse lock up.
You need a distribution that uses the beta-quality-release of XFree86
known as 4.0.x (where x should be as large as possible). I'd
reccomend RedHat 7.0 or Mandrake 7.2 -- I've never tested it under
SuSE, but they usually have outstanding X11 support. You can compile
XFree86 4 under any Linux distribution if you have the time and
understanding.
After that is working, you need to download and install the drivers
from nvidia's website, and follow instructions.
> What try the text install did that, no help. Actually booted Lvl3
> logged on as root and booted X, still same keyboard and mouse problem. Lots
> of headache this is. I'm willing to try every way...But it does explain why
> Bill has made so much money off of people that don't want to spend hours,
> days, even weeks trying to figure out a keyboard, mouse problem.
You *could* go out and pay for Metro-X or Accel-X, if you want to give
money to someone for doing this for you...
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:08:42 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The Ghost In The Machine writes:
>
> > Spot the Flaw.
>
> Just did.
LENGTHWISE, Tholen....slice LENGTHWISE.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:08:58 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The Ghost In The Machine writes:
>
> > Joe Malloy wrote:
>
> >> Tholen tholes and thereby pontificate:
> >>
> >> > > Ah, I see. So we're supposed to do what in these forums
> >> (fora?), again?
> >> >
> >> > Come to conclusions using a little logic.
> >>
> >> Spoken by the god of uselessnet, Tholen!
>
> > No no. Tholen is extremely logical. Pedantic, argumentative,
> > nitpicky, but quite logical.
>
> Where is the alleged pedanticism?
LENGTHWISE, Tholen....slice LENGTHWISE.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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