Linux-Advocacy Digest #6, Volume #31 Thu, 21 Dec 00 15:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Replacement Tommel)
Re: My pet peeve: Developers who don't furnish a complete application package.
(Brian Langenberger)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux is free. (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is free. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:49:51 -0500
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Said Steve Mading in alt.destroy.microsoft on 13 Dec 2000 22:28:33 GMT;
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: Yes...the term liberal (root: liber = freedom) has been absconded
>: with by the freedom-hating socialists.
>
>Then why help then mis-use it? Stop calling them liberals then.
LOL
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:50:30 -0500
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Said Chris Ahlstrom in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 18 Dec 2000
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> >
>> > Liberal, in the modern meaning of the word, implies socialist more
>> > than communist. Although liberals are very sympathetic to Communists
>>
>> They're fucking communists....they just refuse to admit.
>
>Hey, if it would help me get more fucking, I'd sure try being a
>communist. However, I suspect a revolutionary tendency to launch
>into political diatribes during intercourse would drive away all
>the "Natashas".
>
>I think ARK would make a good geosynchronous satellite.
ROTFLMAO
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:51:21 -0500
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Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 06 Dec 2000 04:09:02
[...]
>Listen to Rush just one day. Just one hour. If you hear ONE thing, just
>ONE thing that he says that isn't completely, and absolutely true, then
>I'll stop listening to him myself.
Having listened to Rush for several hours on many days, I can testify
that I have never heard him say anything that is completely and
absolutely true. Or even true, for that matter.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:52:28 -0500
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Just because I feel like yanking Aaron "straw man" Kulkis's chain...
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 15 Dec 2000
[...]
>> A. Tax breaks for only the super rich.
>
>What part of "ACROSS THE BOARD TAX CUTS" do you not understand?
Understanding isn't the difficult part. Its believing the rhetoric
which you support, in the face of facts to the contrary; that's the part
where we run into difficulty.
>> B. More foreign competition in our domestic markets.
>
>Benefits outweigh the costs.
Says you.
>> C. Practically non-existant pollution controls.
>
>When did he say this?
He didn't. That's the point. Duh.
>> D. And this pisses me off. Turning the Federal Government
>> into a platform for the religious right.
>
>You're truly out of touch.
>The so-called Religious Right got out of politics in 1992.
And what was Bush's first act as President-elect? Why, to go to Church,
of course, because he wanted to make clear just how much he is a
soft-headed bigot. Kind of like you, Aaron. Let's all here it for
being of strong character. Oops, sorry; I meant "Let's all here it for
being Judeo-Christian."
>> What ever happened to the days when Candidates were
>> just middle of the road. Candidates really made
>> an attempt in pleasing the middle majority.
>
>Who the fuck wants a someone who doesn't stand for *anything*.
The Republicans, apparently. And half the country.
>Talk about a goddamn worthless political hack...
Well, you got that right. But I'm not sure if you're talking about
yourself, or George Dubaya.
>> The problem with America today is we have no representation
>> of the middle class's anymore.
>
>The libertarians represent the middle class, and they have
>strong influence in the Republican party.
Keep saying that to yourself, Aaron. Maybe someday somebody will buy
into that horse-shit.
Libertarians are nothing but stupid liberals. ;-)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:53:51 -0500
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Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 18 Dec 2000
[...]
>They're fucking communists....they just refuse to admit.
You're a stupid idiot... you just refuse to admit it.
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From: Replacement Tommel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:47:16 GMT
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > In case you haven't noticed, EVERY able-bodied male citizen of
> > Switzerland between the ages of 17 and 45 is not only in the
>>military,
> > but, if not on active duty, REQUIRED to maintain his (full
>>automatic)
> > service rifle AT HOME.
>
> Good point.
>
> Now quit selfishly clogging the net with that big-ass signature.
> Thank God for compression.
>
> Chris
>
For bonus points, ask Aaron who "Tammy Hahn" is...
-Tom
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My pet peeve: Developers who don't furnish a complete application
package.
Date: 21 Dec 2000 19:08:53 GMT
Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip!>
: Nothing is more infuriating than having your compile come to a dead stop
: because it couldn't find some cryptically named file
: or library with no clue as to where or what the missing piece is. In my
: case, I abandon the application if it has to link with 4 or
: more libraries not supplied in normal Linux distributions. I think a
: lot of people will abandon a propective application even
: earlier than I do.
I think this is a valid concern, but I'd take it one step further
by encouraging developers to try and port their software to
as many OSes as possible in order to find the weak points.
For example, after it works okay under a couple of Linux
distributions, try and see how it compiles under *BSD. Then try
it on Solaris and see how that port goes.
Trying lots of ports not only discourages excessive library use,
but it also aids in code portability by finding the
system-specific stuff that should be fixed or abstracted.
Truly "open" software should work almost anywhere,
and shouldn't be Linux-only, or (most annoyingly) a single
distribution of Linux.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:11:59 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said LShaping in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:24:50 GMT;
>"John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
>>> face it, lincoln was not conservative.
>
>>Lincoln was indeed a conservative. You need merely understand that
>>"conservative" does NOT mean: "resists all change" to understand that.
>>"Conservative", comes from the concept of "conserving". Conserving
>>human rights and individual liberty is at least part of what the Civil
>>War was all about.
>
>In fact, not in your opinion, conservatism is "the tendency to prefer
>an existing or traditional situation to change". Definitions are
>based upon usage, not your idea of what a word should or did mean, or
>where it came from. Unless you want to live in a corner by yourself,
>you have to accept how words are being used by real people today.
Posturing aside, you are correct that definitions are based upon usage.
Which is to say it is not your idea of what a word should or does mean,
but the person using it, and what they believe it means, which defines a
word in usage. 'Conservative', in this case, while still being the same
word which can be defined as you state, also has a political connotation
in many, if not most or even all, political systems, which is far more
arbitrary. If the idea there are two related but still different
definitions is too much for you, consider that one is free to choose
which traditions one wishes to support, and what change one wishes to
oppose.
OTOH, saying that conservative extends to "conserving" something is
entirely bogus. That conservatives (in the USA, at least) are for human
rights and individual liberties is less bogus, but only because it is
mostly propaganda (proganda that they buy into unimpeachably).
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:15:54 -0500
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Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 16 Dec 2000
>Johan Kullstam wrote:
[...]
>Correct. Lincol[n] was a statist.
He was a federalist, but admittedly that is a form of statism.
>That is, his PRIMARY concern was the preservation of governmental power.
His primary concern, as President of the United States, at least, though
we would presume personally as well, was the preservation of *federal*
governmental power. States are governments, too. As the lesson of the
US Civil War makes clear, for those who wish to learn from it (which
doesn't apparently include you) states are often more oppressive than
the federal government.
>That's why John Wilkes Booth referred to him as "a tyrant".
Just like a lot of "States Rights" advocates did. States Rights
advocates are more often regressive bigots. I consider myself an
exception to this rule.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Date: 21 Dec 2000 19:27:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Linux is free.
>Yea aggravation and replacement hardware cost's as well as endless
>hours trying to do the tasks that are trivial under Windows
Ironically, I find Windows more of a pain to install. I can't just install the
kernel, telling it I have a BT878 card and then build ALSA with the option
indicating I have a YMF724 sound card. I have to figure out which of the "PCI
Audio Device/PCI Video Device/PCI multimedia device" it detected is which, work
with whatever awkward install routine the driver disc uses (some just provide
driver packages, others include elaborate installers) and reboot about 3 times
instead of the once Linux needs.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:46:32 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> First off, this version of Linux is anything but stable and that is a
> fact. Here are a few bugs:
For it to be unstable, that means it's crashed?
> Open a terminal window under kde and that's the end of it. You can
> never open another one because it is hung. You can open other programs
> and run them but when you try to logout of kde it is hung and it's
> kill the xserver time.
Works for me. I have Linux Mandrake 7.2 too.
> Wheel mouse worked fine until I tried Gnome instead of kde and it (the
> wheel) never worked again after that. Re-installing via DrakConf
> didn't help.
Works for me. I haven't tried Gnome though.
> Use the Fontmanager to find my Windows TT Fonts, which it does, but
> they never show up in any of the menues to be selected. SO where are
> they and how do I use them?
I inserted one into a KWord application.
> Selecting "Help" in just about any program brings up that totally
> useless generic KDE help (How to move a mouse etc), or a message that
> help hasn't been written yet. Doesn't surprise me seeing as half of
> kde hasn't been written yet. It looks and acts like a toy and is very
> unstable.
Can't disagree with you there. The index appears to do nothing.
> Menues between the various window managers don't have the same
> selections in them. For example:DrakConf is missing from
> Enlightenment. So where did they go?
I stuck with one Window Manager: KDE.
> Printing doesn't work with StarOffice and CUPS.
Not tried printing with Star Office and CUPS yet.
> Trying to change the fonts under Gnome Terminal is an exercise in
> confusion. Couldn't they just have a selection "big, larger,huge like
> kde does instead of telling me every fsking detail about the font
> except what type it is (tty etc).
Works just fine with other terminals for me.
> XFree 4.x kills the WheelMouse. Never works even with imwheel.
My wheelmouse works fine with XFree 4.0.1. This is the first time with
Linux Mandrake.
> Not to mention none of my USB devices work.
True enough.
> Typical of Linux programs, it is a generation behind the Windows
> version.
Funny, that's how it looks to me.
> I did like knode though and that application has promise.
I agree.
> DrakConf is pretty nice as well.
Hmmm...
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:48:18 +0000
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Because LoseDOS2K is a piece of shit, just like eVERY OTHER microshaft
> product.
That makes Linux + whatever desktop worse than a piece of shit?
> Boooooo fucking hooooooo
>
> Grow up and learn how to use the it...a REAL operating system.
REAL OS's let you do things. Whilst I don't agree with 70% of the base
topics comments, some of them I agree with.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is free.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:51:12 +0000
David Dorward wrote:
> Same hardware. Many many more services on the Linux install.
>
> Windows: 3 hours
> Linux: 1 hour
What _were_ you doing? I've installed both Linux and Windows on the same
hardware and they both take about an hour.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: 21 Dec 2000 19:49:34 GMT
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:05:08 -0700, John W. Stevens wrote:
>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>Just today, Molly Ivins (an old-style liberal) states in her news paper
>column that actually upholding and following the Constitution is "the
>most frightening thing I've ever seen".
>
>This, from a party that repeatedly claimed to support the rule of law?
Woah ! You've gone from a single person to a party in one line.
>I'm disgusted by the whole thing, but I'm especially disgusted by people
>who loudly claim that Al Gore won.
This is a straw man.
>I'm disgusted by any and all references to "the national popular vote".
>
>Such references are either indications of someone who is wildly
>ignorant, or who does not uphold the Constitution of the USA.
>
>THE NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE IS AS MEANINGFUL IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AS
>THE NUMBER OF Z's IN A CANDIDATES LAST NAME.
Not at all. It's a good indicator of the level of support for a candidate.
It just so happens that it's not the indicator that is used to determine
the outcome of the election. (I'm not saying that it should be either).
It also points to the fact that the outcome of the election was close
enough to be determined more by technicalities and errors than anything
else.
However, the "will of the people" if there is such a thing is clearly
bipartisan government, and I think the outcome of the election (including
a split senate and a relatively moderate republican) will result in this.
>In short,
>
>AL GORE LOST THE NATIONAL VOTE.
On technicalities.
>Why are the Democrats unwilling to talk truthfully about this issue?
>
>I'm especially disgusted by claims that "Al Gore would have won if all
>the votes had been counted!"
>
>ALL THE VOTES WERE COUNTED!
>
>What was left were BALLOTS, not VOTES. As Justice O'Connor said: the
>only real standard for defining a "vote", in place at the time the
>election was held was what the counting machines implemented. And the
>machines did not consider those ballots to have votes on them
That's if you're prepared to accept the machine's definition. It sounds
like a perfectly reasonable definition. However, it also seems that error
margins exceeded the margin of victory (I believe one of the judges said
something to this effect)
>The Democrats are calling for the imposition of an outright tyranny. Do
>we really want to do this?
Both sides were furiously attempting to gerrymander the result in their
favour, the Democrats by selectively recounting, the Reps by suppressing
recounts. Personally, I'm not the least bit surprised.
BTW, IMO Gore should have won, not because of the popular vote, but because
he was ahead on the two-candidate preferred (meaning that I think it's stupid
that third party candidates can syphon votes of a major candidate) Likewise,
I think Bush Sr should have beaten Clinton.
But while I think electoral reform is due, it needs to be performed in an
even handed manner, and not in an ad-hoc manner during counts
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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