Linux-Advocacy Digest #6, Volume #34 Sat, 28 Apr 01 00:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (Terry Porter)
Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Brent R)
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (Terry Porter)
Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Brent R)
Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare? (Tim Hanson)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Another example of Microsoft not living in the real world: ("Glitch")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Aaron Kookis: over 340 posts in 6 days! (Terry Porter)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Apr 2001 03:07:58 GMT
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:13:20 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Problem #1 no network neighbourhood icon. Although I set up Samba easily
> on my
>> Linux box, her pc lacked the above NN facility. Could I restore it ...
> nope.
>> Tweakui fails to work, Windows help is non existant. I have no interest in
>> buying 'secrets of the windows registry' so I can manipulate a terse,
> binary
>> database, that will render her machine unusable should I screw up the
> editing.
>
> Did you have the "Client for Microsoft Networks" Installed?
Yes it was always installed afaik.
> And did you
> have "I want to share my files" checkbox checked?
She didn't, and I've just done that, however it relates to her sharing her
files, not connecting to a samba server.
>
> I've never heard of this problem if these were installed.
Ive just done the "I want to share my files" bit and rebooted, still no
neighbourhood network icon.
>
>
>
>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:13:13 GMT
jet wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>>>> Brent R writes:
> >
> > Brent> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> > >>
> > Aaron> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >> >>and that that somehow prevented young girls from entering
> > >> >> >> into Math/Science.
> > >>
> > >> >> >Barbie dolls didn't stop me.
> > >>
> > >> >> Personally, I wonder who the dumbass was who programmed in the
> > >> >> "Math is haaaaaaard" into them at one point.
> > >>
> > Aaron> A realist.
> > >>
> > >> Math is not harder than any other topic. That it is
> > >> is a self perpetuating myth. Thankfully for my daughters,
> > >> my wife majored in math and is an actuary.
> > >>
> > >> Both daughters love math and do great at it. My twelve year
> > >> old wants to solve the Twin Prime Conjecture (she also wants
> > >> to cure cancer using molecular biology, so we will see where
> > >> she ends up).
> >
> > Brent> People who brag about their kids irritate me.
> >
> > I do not think she will solve the twin prime conjecture. My
> > main point was as she is not frighten of math, she does well
> > at it.
>
> Good on her!
>
> J
> Who likes it when people brag about their kids, it's a lot better than when
> they brag about their cars.
I don't have a problem with people who are proud of their kids, people
who brag about them should be punched in the face.
I was a little harsh on Mr. Ahall, it's clear now that he probably
wasn't bragging.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Apr 2001 03:11:41 GMT
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:00:13 +0100,
Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Did you have the "Client for Microsoft Networks" Installed? And did you
>> have "I want to share my files" checkbox checked?
>>
>> I've never heard of this problem if these were installed.
>>
>
> You don't need to have 'I want to share my files' ticked to connect to a
> server as he seems to be trying to do - this is only needed to use your
> machine as a server. It would still probably have been worth trying this
> though - if you can't connect to the server to copy files this may have
> enabled him to connect the server to the workstation and do the copy this
> way.
>
>
>
Good idea, tho the FTP method was easier, as any change to the Win98 box needs
a reboot!
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:15:30 GMT
Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> Math is not harder than any other topic. That it is
> >> is a self perpetuating myth. Thankfully for my daughters,
> >> my wife majored in math and is an actuary.
> >>
> >> Both daughters love math and do great at it. My twelve year
> >> old wants to solve the Twin Prime Conjecture (she also wants
> >> to cure cancer using molecular biology, so we will see where
> >> she ends up).
> >
> >People who brag about their kids irritate me.
>
> Seconded. Besides, my kids are cuter than his anyway. :-)
>
> --
> Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
Wow great Nietzsche quote. That one's got me thinking (I'm gonna be up
all night now). I'm not really a fan of Nietsche but he did say some
interesting things.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:16:34 -0700
From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare?
Mart van de Wege wrote:
>
> In article <9c91ar$u8f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matthew Gardiner"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> > I know RMS wants to use the power of the herb to open his mind, and that
> > everyone to live in peace in harmony, however, Linus unlike RMS
> > understands the reality of the marketplace, hence the reason why he
> > doesn't care whether there are proprietry packages for Linux, RMS is the
> > only person who has a bee in his bonnet. I have never heard him (Linus)
> > claim that proprietry code is "evil" or "un-moral".
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> Well,
>
> When it comes to kernel code, Linus can be (and quite rightly so) *very*
> militant about proprietary code. Just check a few back issues of Kernel
> Traffic* for his comments on binary-only device drivers. Yes, he did call
> them 'evil' and 'braindead' and a few other choice phrases besides.
> I agree with him, I had to install the nVidia drivers for my TNT chip,
> and system stability went down the tubes (like total lockups during
> power-save mode, thank god for Sysreq-k).
> Compare this with HP, which publishes well-behaved source-only drivers
> for their all-in-one PSC500 (which I have). This makes for a great
> scanner, and even though only at 0.7, these drivers still have to bring
> down my sytem.
That may be true, but it is so only in the kernel and things that
interact directly with the kernel, like device drivers. In
applications, Linus Torvalds is agnostic, and I think he is pragmatic
and correct. I think everyone hopes that money will be made in the
future by other than the selling of proprietary binary-only programs.
--
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A weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:35:55 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9cce6r$ltd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chronos Tachyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message news:NPeG6.3972$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri 27 Apr 2001 02:55, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > [Snip]
> > >
> > > I just came from a computer where Linux would kernel panic if it was
on
> > > anything but primary master.
> > > It said it can't mount root.
> > >
> >
> > Was /etc/fstab set up to reflect the changes in what partitions were
> called?
>
> I doubt it.
> Regardless, why can't Linux hadnle this on its own? Windows can.
> I tested it quite thouroughfully, pull out HD, make it master, it works,
> make it slave, kernel panic.
Why should it adjust it's mount points to somewhere other than
where you have put them? On the other hand it should adjust
to moderately different hardware if you move the drive to
a different machine. Try swapping your windows disk into
a box with a different number of processors...
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:40:28 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9cb9kv$4vi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3ae8f365$0$21716$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > When I think stability and reliability and uptime - I want to know about
> > unexpected downtime - scheduled reboots for hardware shouldn't count
> against
> > uptime calculations.
>
> They aren't, 99.999% reffer to unscheduale downtime.
So they just schedule downtime after every crash and patch
installation so they don't have to count it? Why shouldn't
the measurement be of any downtime?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:44:36 GMT
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3ae8f1ec$0$21761$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:yH7F6.7085$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:3ae4f003$0$17265$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Except that it isn't true. Many companies are finding that an
> NT/2K
> > > > > solution is
> > > > > > not more stable, is not cheaper, is not easier to manage.
> > > > >
> > > > > Except that what you just wrote is NOT true. W2K IS much more
stable
> > and
> > > > > cheaper and in every single way imaginable much MUCH easier to
> manage.
> > I
> > > > > mean, night and day differences.
> > > >
> > > > Stable? Where's the W2K box that's been running for 2 years?
> > >
> > > Well - I'd imagine that is about as possible as the linux 2.4 (release
> > > version) box that's been running for a year. Get it? I'll give you a
> clue,
> > > W2K release date < 2 years!
> >
> > Yes, I do understand that it is foolish to make claims about stability
> > in something with no history, especially considering the history of
> > everything else from that company.
> >
>
> Well - the only claims for stability I make of W2K are simple:
> I have these W2K machines - they have never crashed. They stay up as long
as
> I leave them running. I don't know how better to claim uptime than: they
are
> always up. Whatever the history of other previous products might be - the
> product I use today is reliable and stable. I know this because I use it
and
> it is.
You must have some other version than I do then... On mine, IIS regularly
goes into a mode where it isn't working and 'iisreset /restart' claims it
is stopping and starting it, but 'iisreset /status' says something like
'restart pending' regardless of how many times your try the /restart.
A reboot generally clears the condition for a while.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re:
Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:44:54 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:36:02 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:09:35 -0400
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> [snip for brevity]
>>
>> >Are you aware that, according to feminist doctrine, ***ALL*** sex
>> >between men and women (including consensual sex between a husband
>> >and wife) is rape.
>>
>> *Some* feminist doctrine. I rather doubt all feminists think this.
>>
>> (Of course, one might make the case that sex without proper foreplay
>> is a form of rape, or at least uncomfortable.)
>>
>
>Crips! Without the foreplay, and done properly, the guy is nothing but
>a selfish jag!
Did you mean "jab"? Or is this an odd bit of slang that hasn't
made it to my lexicon? :-)
Regardless, I think I agree with you, and in any event, a woman
who is not in love with the guy that's, erm, physically interested
in her (hopefully intellectually and emotionally, too), is probably
not going to enjoy it as much.
I can't say I agree with Andrea Dworkin's notion. (Not that
I've read her or anything.)
[rest snipped]
--
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EAC code #191 11d:06h:30m actually running Linux.
The Usenet channel. All messages, all the time.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re:
Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:49:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:24:54 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:09:35 -0400
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> [snip for brevity]
>>
>> >Are you aware that, according to feminist doctrine, ***ALL*** sex
>> >between men and women (including consensual sex between a husband
>> >and wife) is rape.
>>
>> *Some* feminist doctrine. I rather doubt all feminists think this.
>
>The ones who influence legislation are the only ones that matter.
>
>Hope that helps.
Not really, but you do raise a good point. One hopes that those
who do influence legislation include more moderates, and men such
as myself who are at least somewhat sensitive to the needs of both sides.
Mind you, my influence and/or involvement with the political process
has been so far the attendance of one general town hall-type meeting
with my Congressional rep. (That was a zoo; I'm surprised my rep
puts up with all of it.)
>
>>
>> (Of course, one might make the case that sex without proper foreplay
>> is a form of rape, or at least uncomfortable.)
>
>No...Dworkin is talking about ALL heterosexual sex...even if the
>Woman climbed on the guy in his sleep...Dworkin maintains that he
>raped her.
Not knowing Dworkin, I couldn't say for sure -- but she might be
thinking that the woman in that case is now brainwashed and that
she, because the man has essentially took over control of her mind
through such techniques, is now addicted to sex and can no longer
control her own impulses and must have that sticky-outy-thingy....
(Stop that, brain. You're making me think there *are* UFOs with
little green men from Mars out there with a mind control weapon... :-) )
[rest snipped]
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EAC code #191 11d:09h:32m actually running Linux.
The US gov't spends about $54,000/second. I wish I could.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:55:21 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:lP5G6.172727$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Perhaps you're referring to back in the NT 3.51 and 4.0 days 6 or more
years
> ago.
>
> Where was Linux at 6 years ago? Hardly an enterprise high-availability
server.
I've used both over the last 6 years. There has been no time since slightly
before Linux kernel 1.0 that I would consider NT better. You can make
a windows box somewhat reliable if you only run one application on
it. If you run two or more you will almost guarantee that at some point
you will have a required update or patch for one that breaks the other.
> You have no leg to stand on, let along speak from in this department.
Do you really want to talk about NT before 4.0 with sp3? Those
were so fragile they would crash if they saw an odd-size network
packet go by.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another example of Microsoft not living in the real world:
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:02:32 -0400
>> Me thinks this is an advertising ploy from Microsoft. For sure Itanium
> ain't
>> going to be on the average desktop. In fact it will be promoted for the
> high
>> performance server market. 1GB is nothing on such servers these days.
>> The 1GB requirement is to show this is for a real power system. Of
>> course I could be completely wrong and Microsoft are admitting just how
>> crappy
> their
>> OS is and that 2GB will be a minimum requirement just to get the thing
>> ticking over. Surely Microsoft aren't that crap? :-)
>
> Not only that, but 1GB of memory costs about $200.
>
> If you want ECC, it's about $500. Not a big deal for anyone running a
> big server.
>
>
Ever hear of the phrase "it's the principal of the matter"?
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 04:01:02 GMT
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3ae8f112$0$21702$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> I don't need to know this - I can just read your posts and determine that
> you simply bash MS products without regard for which one and often simple
> disgard any pro-MS comment out of hand.
So, why is that any worse than those of us who bash MS products because
of long experience with them?
> I seriously doubt you've had much
> experience with recent MS offerings based on the fact you have often
> assigned old w9x and nt4 (pre SP5) quarks to products like W2K and NT4sp6.
Experience is a fine teacher, but only a fool needs to learn everything that
way.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Aaron Kookis: over 340 posts in 6 days!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Apr 2001 04:02:50 GMT
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:14:52 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter) wrote:
>
>>Dunno, but chrisv the infamous Wintroll is well on his way to
>>equaling Aarons posting score,but the main difference is that Aarons
>>are entertaining, yours arent.
>
> Wow, two lies in one sentence! Is that the only way you feel you can
> win?
Is there a competition?
Im responding to your methods, which I think are poor form.
>
> The occasional opinion that you don't like does not make one a
> "Wintroll",
Please allow me to be the judge of who I believe is a Wintroll.
> something which in fact I am clearly not.
Not that I've noticed.
You also post from Windows, why is that ?
> In fact I'd bet
> the farm I've posted more anti-MS posts
So what, Ive never posted anti Windows stuff, on Windows newsgroups,
does that make me a Windows Advocate?
> as anti-Linux. Also, I am
> clearly NOT "on my way to equaling Aaron's posting score."
>
Time will tell.
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 04:07:43 GMT
"JoFi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9c9f5s$7ol$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> <snip> >
> > Tell me Jon,
> >
> > How do you achieve 5 9s *regularly* with server software that has been
> > out for just over a year? Remember that 5 9s reliability is a
statistical
> > measure, and your sample is too small to be trustworthy.
> > Once again, someone who knows virtually nothing about advanced server
> > concepts can beat you on simple logic. You're not very smart are you?
One
> > good crash and your much-touted W2k servers are down to 4 9s *at best*.
> >
> > Mart
> >
>
> So your saying that 1000's of servers giving 5 9's reliability for 1-2
years
> is not good enough. Whats makes you think that years 3-4 will be any
> different. Do you have ANY issues which could arise in year 3 and not in
> year 1 or 2?
Yes, and the fact that you even raise the question demonstrates that you
must not have much experience with running Windows, or you take
running only a single critical application per box for granted as a
required limitation (it isn't on other OS's...). If you have tried to
run several applications under Windows for a period of 3 or 4 years
you would almost certainly have encountered a required update or patch for
one application that adversely affected one or more of the others.
Les Mikesell
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