Linux-Advocacy Digest #929, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 07:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (pip)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Gardiner Family)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (pip)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (pip)
Help on my Linux research! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Add to the microsoft secret code (pip)
Re: Linux is a fad? ("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: Help on my Linux research! (pip)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Please help in my Linux research ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NTFS Limitations (Giuliano Colla)
Re: The 130MByte text file (Mig)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Gardiner Family)
Re: Linux is a fad? (Gardiner Family)
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:06:58 +0000
User wrote:
> I guess it's a good old america toss off.
Eeek, I am imagining Gates and Dell and some
cheesy electronic music in a dark red hotel room.
[please find alternative international meaning for the word "toss" :-) ]
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 00:12:56 +1300
nope, I am a New Zealander. oooo, let be guess, Frence? no, they're not as
arrogant as you are, I give up....where are you from?
matt
"--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> Did I say I was American?
>
> Please try again, or are you one of the ex-colonists that think that all
> things in the world revolve around US 'culture' and the power of the burger?
>
> No. Not American.
>
> "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > your point being? or are you one of those 90% of americans who did not
> know the
> > rest of the world was real, and not a urban myth?
> >
> > matt
> >
> > "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> >
> > > Listen, living all the way down at the bottom of the world as you do,
> where
> > > dark and terrible things happen to chicken heads and the sheep tremble
> when
> > > wellies are worn, you cannot in all of the heavens honestly dare to
> comment
> > > on our north western 'magic' can you?
> > >
> > > Also, are you some sort of Borg collective?
> > >
> > > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > use SuSE Linux with reiserfs, then life will be easier. Also, until
> you
> > > > actually use other distro's and stop bitching like an old hen, NOW ONE
> > > > will take you seriously as a Linux critic, instead most will view you
> as
> > > > a 15 year old punk with a chip on his shoulder.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> > > > > properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
> > > > > just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or
> 2
> > > > > and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
> > > > > times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
> > > > > again.
> > > > > Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> > > > > Can't login to another terminal.
> > > > > Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> > > > > BRS time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
> > > > > churning still has not produced a working system.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I
> don't
> > > > > expect much.
> > > > >
> > > > > Great system this Linux.
> > > > > Great system indeed.
> > > > > Great system NOT!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
> > > > > because that is the distribution that I bought.
> > > > >
> > > > > Flatfish
> > > > > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > > > > Remove the ++++ to reply.
> > > >
> >
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:12:11 +0000
Graham wrote:
>
> Dear Inquisitor
>
> (4) Over all wealth.
>
> Has jack shit to do with smart.
So, then are you wealthy (or not)? Is that 'cos you are:
a) smart
b) not smart
c) lucky
d) in entertainment
?
There is always luck, but sometimes it is beyond just "luck", else
why are we not all rich? Being "street smart" or "market smart" is
a different type of smart, but it is still smart. Besides, you
can also rate Gates as a competent programmer as well, so in this
case he would meet both of your criteria, yes?
If Einstein put his mind to making money I'm sure he'd think
up some things.
Saucer of milk for table 9 please
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:15:43 +0000
Kevin Zvonek wrote:
>
> > (1) Tech Innovation
>
> Zero on both counts... There is no evidence they have contributed to
> "innovation" within the pc industry... sure they used a 1900's "assembly
> line" technique... but in the area of "computing" they were "no shows".
THERE IS NO POINT IN TECH INNOVATION IF NOBODY USES IT.
Even if the company "steals" this innovation.
Think about it.
> > (2) Entrepreneurial Skills and Financial Management
>
> High on Micheal's and High on Financial for Bill, but neither has the
> skills of the other... so they are complements rather than full power.
Gates had the skill to realise that he doesn't have the skill, hence
Alan
and Balmer.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help on my Linux research!
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:10:08 GMT
First of all let me say hello to everyone.
I know that this is an unusual request but I need
help from all Linux OS users. Weather you have
used Linux OS (any variety) one or many times
your opinion is welcome. Please help me in my
master's degree by filling out my 12 item
questionnaire at
http://www.gonzalo.net/satisfaction.htm
My aim is to measure user satisfaction in the use
of Linus OS in the 5 variables of interest. Your
help is critical to the completion of my degree.
Assistance will be greatly appreciated.
Mahalo Nui Loa (Thank you very much in Hawaiian)
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Add to the microsoft secret code
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:20:03 +0000
gswork wrote:
>
> On a lighter note, In comp.programming someone called fhanna
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted a 'microsoft secret code' spoof to which I
> added a bit. I searched for it on this NG and didnt find it so it
> *might* be new to some of you.
> [snip]
Doh!,
You forgot to add unused references, structures, bitmaps and
other unused resources to your vc++ project build settings.
Also you need include random invalid page faults and make sure
your timer is an int.
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:21:37 -0000
You spelt it wrong,
its xenophobic, and no i'm not.
It was a jibe at your country, not a fear of foreigners.
Please try again, and this time dont attempt to stir up emotionally charged
rhetoric.
"Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> xenaphobic, aren't you...hmm, oh well, what do you expect from a windows
user.
>
> matt
>
> "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>
> > New Zealand has electricity?
> >
> > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Lets have a look at the long post of psuedo-facts:
> > >
> > > "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh my ribs, they are sore after both
> > > >
> > > > a) laughing
> > > >
> > > > b) being poked by youir razor sharp funny finger.
> > > >
> > > > I have tried linux, mandrake, redhat, storm, turbo and even yellow
dog
> > on
> > > > machine i borrowed for a month.
> > > >
> > > > Dont like them...sorry, maybe its personal taste, but i'd rather
stay
> > with
> > > > windows 2000 where i can
> > > >
> > > > a) buy software off the shelves
> > > >
> > >
> > > I do, except, I am the so-called "e-shopper", hence I either goto
> > > www.lokigames.com for my gaming needs, or www.drfloppy.co.nz for
programs,
> > or
> > > www.vistasource.com for my office suite I have just purchased, hence,
for
> > me as
> > > a netizen, I am quite dandy.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > b) play the latest games
> > >
> > > I only play Simcity 3k and Civilisation CTP, I know I could probably
get
> > other
> > > games, but why purchase more games when I won't play them, hence, I am
> > catered
> > > for needs. Also, I know very few Windows users who actually use
legally
> > bought
> > > software, esp. Office, considering it's nice price tag of $NZ850 for a
> > standard
> > > edition, which most New Zealand consumers don't like to waste there
money
> > on,
> > > they either pir8 a copy or use an alternative such as StarOffice 5.2
or
> > > Vistasource's Office Suite.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > c) use the latest hardware (do the words USB still strike fear into
your
> > > > heart?...it should, as far as I know only mice & keyboards are
> > > > supported....oh dear)
> > >
> > > hmm, the only "new" usb devices that aren't supported are ones not
used by
> > the
> > > populas, you may like to feel special because you use some obscure
piece
> > of
> > > hardware (so you can boast at your local Windows orgy), but most
people
> > actually
> > > use their computer as a tool, not a sex partner like you.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > d) not worry that the libraries will get broken if i had to install
bet
> > a
> > > > test software.
> > >
> > > Can you say DLL HELL! I have never had a problem with Linux libraries.
> > Need to
> > > update a library, download and install it in a flash. So whats you
point
> > here?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > e) use a good browser rather than the beta offerings or the half
> > finished
> > > > offerings given to linux users. LOL - case in point Netscape 4.x/6
and
> > > > Konqueror..... NOW thats BAD.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I use Netscape and have no problems with it, so I don't know what you
are
> > > getting at?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > f) worry about getting the latest Kernel and then buggering it all
up
> > > > because the kernel needs to be patched to enable sound, PPP etc etc
rah
> > rah
> > > > rah
> > > >
> > >
> > > kernel driver patch = driver (like under windows). And yet again, I
never
> > have
> > > these problems. Maybe these problems are just you.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > g) I can use standard applications at home and then go into any
office
> > and
> > > > hey, the same things...wow......
> > > >
> > >
> > > I use FreeBSD w/ Vistasource Office 5.0 and at University, I use Word,
and
> > I
> > > have no problems when using the document on either machine. Yet again,
I
> > don't
> > > know what you are getting at.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > h) avoid arcane command line crap....i mean, who the hell wants to
go
> > > > through an entire user manual to get the sound card to initialise
and
> > then
> > > > find it wont ?
> > >
> > > I mainly use the GUI (no hassles please) and I also use the Command
line.
> > And
> > > as as I remember, to get the sound working under Redhat, drop to
command
> > line
> > > and run sndconfig, the sound card is automatically detected. In the
case
> > of
> > > SuSE, load up yast 2 (the GUI version) and it is automatically
detected.
> > Yet
> > > again, I don't know what you are getting at.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i) who would want to sacrifice a Windows/Windows solution for a
> > > > Linux/Windows integrated solution until there is some more solid,
> > documented
> > > > applications and cases that have already tried it and detailed the
pros
> > and
> > > > cons? Linux has a long way to go before stepping up to the corporate
> > > > plate...
> > >
> > > Thats the US. People in the US are easy to con (talk to a street
market
> > seller
> > > in India, and you'll pleasently be surprise who she/he can REALLY con
out
> > of
> > > $100's). Here in New Zealand, Linux is sweeping through the corporate
seen
> > like
> > > wildfire, and as always, the US will the be the lasts ones to convert.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help on my Linux research!
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:24:34 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Your
> help is critical to the completion of my degree.
Things like these questions devalue my degree to look
like high school grades :-( I knew I should have dropped out
and started some .com !
Are things really that bad over there?
Anyway, will fill it in and good luck!
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:25:24 -0000
Frence?
Is that near Eyetally?
Oh, for what it is worth, I am from England.
"Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> nope, I am a New Zealander. oooo, let be guess, Frence? no, they're not
as
> arrogant as you are, I give up....where are you from?
>
> matt
>
> "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>
> > Did I say I was American?
> >
> > Please try again, or are you one of the ex-colonists that think that all
> > things in the world revolve around US 'culture' and the power of the
burger?
> >
> > No. Not American.
> >
> > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > your point being? or are you one of those 90% of americans who did not
> > know the
> > > rest of the world was real, and not a urban myth?
> > >
> > > matt
> > >
> > > "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Listen, living all the way down at the bottom of the world as you
do,
> > where
> > > > dark and terrible things happen to chicken heads and the sheep
tremble
> > when
> > > > wellies are worn, you cannot in all of the heavens honestly dare to
> > comment
> > > > on our north western 'magic' can you?
> > > >
> > > > Also, are you some sort of Borg collective?
> > > >
> > > > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > use SuSE Linux with reiserfs, then life will be easier. Also,
until
> > you
> > > > > actually use other distro's and stop bitching like an old hen, NOW
ONE
> > > > > will take you seriously as a Linux critic, instead most will view
you
> > as
> > > > > a 15 year old punk with a chip on his shoulder.
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> > > > > > properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but
then
> > > > > > just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second
or
> > 2
> > > > > > and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple
of
> > > > > > times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and
over
> > > > > > again.
> > > > > > Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> > > > > > Can't login to another terminal.
> > > > > > Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> > > > > > BRS time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours
of
> > > > > > churning still has not produced a working system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I
> > don't
> > > > > > expect much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great system this Linux.
> > > > > > Great system indeed.
> > > > > > Great system NOT!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS
Linux
> > > > > > because that is the distribution that I bought.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Flatfish
> > > > > > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > > > > > Remove the ++++ to reply.
> > > > >
> > >
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Please help in my Linux research
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:22:43 GMT
Hello to all fellow Linux users! I know that this is an unusual request
but I cam currently measuring user satisfaction in the use of Linux
OS in five variables of
interest namely ease of use, timeliness, format, content and accuracy.
Please use this link and fill a 12 point item questionnaire to aid me
in
this endeavor. It is really short and easy.
http://www.gonzalo.net/satisfaction.htm
Any help to a fellow Linux advocate will be greatly appreciated..
Mahalo Nui Loa (Thank you very much in Hawaiian)
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:37:41 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:95fmge$dju$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > : So, with that, I ask you guys:
> > : 1. Why is Linux the most vulnerable web server platform?
> >
> > I don't know. Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
>
> *PL0NK*
>
> Now I KNOW that even YOU don't know what the hell you're talking about.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/security/defendwb.asp
Read this and then let's see who's the one who doesn't know
what he's talking about.
In case you have some difficulty in reading (as it seems to
be the case), I draw your attention to the following
paragraphs:
<quote>
For instance, out of 350 reported defacements in April 2000,
64 percent were on Windows NT (which averages about 60
percent in other months).
If you lump all Linux distributions together, they come in
second (with an average rate of 17 percent), followed by
Solaris (at 10 percent per month). Another interesting fact
from Attrition is that statistically, most defacements
happen on Sunday.
You might think NT sites get defaced most often because NT
has become the predominant Web server platform. However,
that's not true. A Web site survey by Netcraft
(http://www.netcraft.com/survey/) shows that Apache Web
servers outnumber all Microsoft-based solutions by almost
three to one. In other words, even though NT Web servers are
not the most popular, they are defaced much more frequently.
</quote>
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:50:15 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Okay. I got RH6.1, so maybe that has something to do with it. Log in on
> tty1 and startx, get X. Ctl-alt-f2 to get a new login, log in, startx,
> get an error. The explanation that I got for this was that "you can't
> have more than one X session at a time". What am I doing wrong?
Try "startx -- :1" and magic happens :-).. now replace the 1 with a 2 and
try again... more magic. You can also play around with the "xinit" command
and have gnome, kde, windowmaker etc. running at the same time as the same
user.. Lets have windows do that ;-)
--
Cheers
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 01:05:19 +1300
oye, beg'in me pardon govern'na but what do'es western culture have to do with
the maintance and installation of linux?
Matt
"--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> Frence?
>
> Is that near Eyetally?
>
> Oh, for what it is worth, I am from England.
>
> "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > nope, I am a New Zealander. oooo, let be guess, Frence? no, they're not
> as
> > arrogant as you are, I give up....where are you from?
> >
> > matt
> >
> > "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> >
> > > Did I say I was American?
> > >
> > > Please try again, or are you one of the ex-colonists that think that all
> > > things in the world revolve around US 'culture' and the power of the
> burger?
> > >
> > > No. Not American.
> > >
> > > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > your point being? or are you one of those 90% of americans who did not
> > > know the
> > > > rest of the world was real, and not a urban myth?
> > > >
> > > > matt
> > > >
> > > > "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Listen, living all the way down at the bottom of the world as you
> do,
> > > where
> > > > > dark and terrible things happen to chicken heads and the sheep
> tremble
> > > when
> > > > > wellies are worn, you cannot in all of the heavens honestly dare to
> > > comment
> > > > > on our north western 'magic' can you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, are you some sort of Borg collective?
> > > > >
> > > > > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > use SuSE Linux with reiserfs, then life will be easier. Also,
> until
> > > you
> > > > > > actually use other distro's and stop bitching like an old hen, NOW
> ONE
> > > > > > will take you seriously as a Linux critic, instead most will view
> you
> > > as
> > > > > > a 15 year old punk with a chip on his shoulder.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> > > > > > > properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but
> then
> > > > > > > just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second
> or
> > > 2
> > > > > > > and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple
> of
> > > > > > > times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and
> over
> > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> > > > > > > Can't login to another terminal.
> > > > > > > Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> > > > > > > BRS time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours
> of
> > > > > > > churning still has not produced a working system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I
> > > don't
> > > > > > > expect much.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Great system this Linux.
> > > > > > > Great system indeed.
> > > > > > > Great system NOT!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS
> Linux
> > > > > > > because that is the distribution that I bought.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Flatfish
> > > > > > > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > > > > > > Remove the ++++ to reply.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 01:10:03 +1300
explain YOUR comments:
- New Zealand has electricity?
- Listen, living all the way down at the bottom of the world as you do, where
dark and terrible things happen to chicken heads and the sheep tremble when
wellies are worn, you cannot in all of the heavens honestly dare to comment
on our north western 'magic' can you?
- Also, are you some sort of Borg collective?
actually address the original post, either stating whether you agree or
disagree, and if so, why? Show some maturity sonny.
matt
"--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> You spelt it wrong,
>
> its xenophobic, and no i'm not.
>
> It was a jibe at your country, not a fear of foreigners.
>
> Please try again, and this time dont attempt to stir up emotionally charged
> rhetoric.
>
> "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > xenaphobic, aren't you...hmm, oh well, what do you expect from a windows
> user.
> >
> > matt
> >
> > "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> >
> > > New Zealand has electricity?
> > >
> > > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Lets have a look at the long post of psuedo-facts:
> > > >
> > > > "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Oh my ribs, they are sore after both
> > > > >
> > > > > a) laughing
> > > > >
> > > > > b) being poked by youir razor sharp funny finger.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have tried linux, mandrake, redhat, storm, turbo and even yellow
> dog
> > > on
> > > > > machine i borrowed for a month.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dont like them...sorry, maybe its personal taste, but i'd rather
> stay
> > > with
> > > > > windows 2000 where i can
> > > > >
> > > > > a) buy software off the shelves
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I do, except, I am the so-called "e-shopper", hence I either goto
> > > > www.lokigames.com for my gaming needs, or www.drfloppy.co.nz for
> programs,
> > > or
> > > > www.vistasource.com for my office suite I have just purchased, hence,
> for
> > > me as
> > > > a netizen, I am quite dandy.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > b) play the latest games
> > > >
> > > > I only play Simcity 3k and Civilisation CTP, I know I could probably
> get
> > > other
> > > > games, but why purchase more games when I won't play them, hence, I am
> > > catered
> > > > for needs. Also, I know very few Windows users who actually use
> legally
> > > bought
> > > > software, esp. Office, considering it's nice price tag of $NZ850 for a
> > > standard
> > > > edition, which most New Zealand consumers don't like to waste there
> money
> > > on,
> > > > they either pir8 a copy or use an alternative such as StarOffice 5.2
> or
> > > > Vistasource's Office Suite.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > c) use the latest hardware (do the words USB still strike fear into
> your
> > > > > heart?...it should, as far as I know only mice & keyboards are
> > > > > supported....oh dear)
> > > >
> > > > hmm, the only "new" usb devices that aren't supported are ones not
> used by
> > > the
> > > > populas, you may like to feel special because you use some obscure
> piece
> > > of
> > > > hardware (so you can boast at your local Windows orgy), but most
> people
> > > actually
> > > > use their computer as a tool, not a sex partner like you.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > d) not worry that the libraries will get broken if i had to install
> bet
> > > a
> > > > > test software.
> > > >
> > > > Can you say DLL HELL! I have never had a problem with Linux libraries.
> > > Need to
> > > > update a library, download and install it in a flash. So whats you
> point
> > > here?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > e) use a good browser rather than the beta offerings or the half
> > > finished
> > > > > offerings given to linux users. LOL - case in point Netscape 4.x/6
> and
> > > > > Konqueror..... NOW thats BAD.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I use Netscape and have no problems with it, so I don't know what you
> are
> > > > getting at?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > f) worry about getting the latest Kernel and then buggering it all
> up
> > > > > because the kernel needs to be patched to enable sound, PPP etc etc
> rah
> > > rah
> > > > > rah
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > kernel driver patch = driver (like under windows). And yet again, I
> never
> > > have
> > > > these problems. Maybe these problems are just you.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > g) I can use standard applications at home and then go into any
> office
> > > and
> > > > > hey, the same things...wow......
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I use FreeBSD w/ Vistasource Office 5.0 and at University, I use Word,
> and
> > > I
> > > > have no problems when using the document on either machine. Yet again,
> I
> > > don't
> > > > know what you are getting at.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > h) avoid arcane command line crap....i mean, who the hell wants to
> go
> > > > > through an entire user manual to get the sound card to initialise
> and
> > > then
> > > > > find it wont ?
> > > >
> > > > I mainly use the GUI (no hassles please) and I also use the Command
> line.
> > > And
> > > > as as I remember, to get the sound working under Redhat, drop to
> command
> > > line
> > > > and run sndconfig, the sound card is automatically detected. In the
> case
> > > of
> > > > SuSE, load up yast 2 (the GUI version) and it is automatically
> detected.
> > > Yet
> > > > again, I don't know what you are getting at.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > i) who would want to sacrifice a Windows/Windows solution for a
> > > > > Linux/Windows integrated solution until there is some more solid,
> > > documented
> > > > > applications and cases that have already tried it and detailed the
> pros
> > > and
> > > > > cons? Linux has a long way to go before stepping up to the corporate
> > > > > plate...
> > > >
> > > > Thats the US. People in the US are easy to con (talk to a street
> market
> > > seller
> > > > in India, and you'll pleasently be surprise who she/he can REALLY con
> out
> > > of
> > > > $100's). Here in New Zealand, Linux is sweeping through the corporate
> seen
> > > like
> > > > wildfire, and as always, the US will the be the lasts ones to convert.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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