Linux-Advocacy Digest #929, Volume #33 Thu, 26 Apr 01 08:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Kulkis, er, Microsoft (Nick Maclaren)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Another example of Microsoft not living in the real world: (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Impact of Internet ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare? (Eric Leblanc)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:13:42 -0400
Chris Morgan wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Kilgallen) writes:
>
> > Mr Stallman did not invent the concept, he just advocates something
> > patterned after the operating procedures used with the PDP-1 at
> > MIT about 1962 or so. Quite a bit before anything called "XMODEM"
> > I would say.
>
> As much as it pains me to defend Aaron Kulkis, he was talking about
> MIT in the 50s and 60s, he didn't even mention Richard Stallman. I
Correct. EVEN Stallman is a LATECOMER in the Open Software movement.
> would imagine this comes from a reading of Steven Levy's excellent
> "Hackers" e.g. the model railroad club which was described a spiritual
> ancestor to computer hacking, and then goes on to talk about Gospar et
> al. Stallman was only even added to that book as an afterthought.
> --
> Chris Morgan <cm at mihalis.net> http://www.mihalis.net
> Temp sig. - Enquire within
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:15:46 -0400
Jerry Coffin wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > AT&T (multi-platform OS,
>
> MULTICS predates UNIX. Though AT&T was one of the contributors to
> MULTICS, they didn't originate it. IBM had a number of multi-
> platform OSes prior to MULTICS anyway.
>
> > Texas Instruments (first IC chip)
>
> And contrary to your statement below, the first microcontroller as
> well.
>
> > Intel (first Microprocessor)
> > MIT (share your code with your friend (original "hacker")/Open Source culture)
>
> Nonsense. Ward Christen (an IBM employee) was giving XMODEM away
> when RMS was still just an obnoxious, pretentious loudmouth. Oh wait
> -- RMS is an obnoxious pretentious loudmouth to this day...
You are naive. I'm talking about the MIT Open Source culture that
dates to the 1950's. All Stallman did was institutionalize it by
creating the GPL and the Athena Foundation.
>
> > MOSTEK (microcontroller)
>
> Not so. This originated at TI, largely by a guy named Gary Boone.
> It was argued for years (in court) but MOSTEK wasn't in the running
> in any case -- the choice was between TI and a guy who had a patent
> on a computer system, that he later rewrote to include wording saying
> the system would be built on a single chip. The courts noted that
> there was no indication that he'd even contemplated that part until
> after TI did it, so they ruled that TI had rights to it.
>
> > DEC (standardization of the 8-bit byte as the standard base memory unit)
>
> What DEC computer used 8-bit bytes before the IBM 360 series did?
>
> > US DARPA (Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency) TCP/IP
>
> DARPA itself mostly provided funding. The people they funded are the
> ones to blame for this particular mess.
>
> --
> Later,
> Jerry.
>
> The Universe is a figment of its own imagination.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:18:21 -0400
Peter da Silva wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Translation: Did NOT originate with Mafia$oft.
>
> Do you have to be so systematically unpleasant?
Truth hurts, doesn't it.
>
> Microsoft did some good peer-peer networking design in Xenix that produced
> a network that, while it didn't scale very well due to OSI's lack of a
> credible namespace management (don't talk to me about X.500) and variable
Mafia$oft sold off Xenix before OSI even formed.
Xenix was sold to the Santa Cruz Organization in the mid-1980's.
OSI didn't appear until a few years later.
> length addresses, was far superior in its integation with the operating
> system and overall transparency. It's a pity they abandoned Xenix... their
> networking was far better suited to a UNIX environment than a CP/M derivitive.
ANYTHING is far better suited to Unix than the basement toy OS.
>
> --
> `-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
> 'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
> -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Disclaimer: WWFD?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Maclaren)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Kulkis, er, Microsoft
Date: 26 Apr 2001 11:23:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|>
|> TCP/IP takes line of configuration,
|> and 2 commands to get up and running
For those of us who are less familiar with such arcane incantations
than you are, please could you post your magically concise single
line of configuration and two commands?
Regards,
Nick Maclaren,
University of Cambridge Computing Service,
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, England.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:24:44 -0400
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:46:17 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:48:22 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >"Roberto Alsina"
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> I personally believe any killing not in self defense, including
> > > >> >> >> killing at war, should be considered murder.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >You need to mature and understand that truth and reality aren't what you
> > > >> >> >"personally believe".
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I understand what the situation currently is.
> > > >> >> However, that doesn´t mean I think that situation is perfect,
> > > >> >> or even very good.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Sadly, we have been, as a society, convinced by the men with
> > > >> >> guns that they have a right to kill.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >My house has over half a dozen guns, and ammunition for each,
> > > >> >and I haven't been convinced that I have any "right to kill"
> > > >>
> > > >> Why do you have lethal weapons?
> > > >
> > > >Because defending yourself is a human right.
> > >
> > > So, you say you have a right to kill, if you are defending yourself.
> >
> > I have a right to defend myself. If it takes lethal force to do
> > it, then so be it.
> >
> > > And you have a gun.
> > >
> > > Now, why did you say "I haven't been convinced that I have any
> > > "right to kill""?
> >
> > Ok, let's clarify here.
> >
> > Having a right to kill in self defence is NOT the same as
> > claiming a right to murder....which is what your original
> > statement implied.
> >
> > >
> > > >> If the answer is "to defend myself", who would you be defending
> > > >> yourself against?
> > > >
> > > >Violent, law-breaking criminals.
> > >
> > > For example, if someone was robbing your TV. The guy is there, going
> > > off the window, with your TV in his hands. Would you shoot him?
> >
> > Absolutely.
> >
> > Theft is slavery. And the proper punishment for slavery is death.
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Roberto Alsina
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
>
> Just as a point here... in our town a few years back a guy got shot in
> the back in someones front yard. The police took the gun away from the
> shooter and the man was taken to jail. The judge, after listening to
> the arguments, ruled that the man was justified in shooting the other
> guy. Reason: the deceased had a criminal history and the shooter was
> afraid for his life. The shooter was set free after a few days in jail.
>
We need more judges like this.
What's more outlandish is that the Prosecutor's office had the
man kept in jail in the first place.
> --
> V
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Another example of Microsoft not living in the real world:
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:25:49 +1200
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/18505.html
As quoted from the article:
"According to Microsoft's Windows Logo Program System and Device
Requirements, WinXP Personal (i.e., the consumer flavour) has a minimum
requirement of 64 megabytes, in line with Win98 (we do still mention it
then) and WinME. WinXP mobile is also specced to run in 64, while the
requirement for the Professional version is 128. You'll be wanting a gig of
RAM for the Itanium one, it says here."
1gig for Itanium! Does Microsoft just assume a business has a bag of
million dollar notes sitting in their store cubbord? 128MB for
Professional! and remember, thats Microsofts "recommended", x2, and you get
the realistic amount of memory. Microsoft claimed 64MB for Windows 2000
Pro, when in the real world, you would need atleast 128MB to run at a
decent speed. When I Microsoft going to realise that if they want to move
the maximum number of people to this new platform, decrease the system
requirements by de-bloating and de-bugging it, or else the penguin will
bite your ass.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:25:53 -0400
"B.B." wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> @> Your .sig is too long. Even us uneducated types can spot it.
> @
> @Whatcha gonna do about it?
>
> Call you a moron. An immature moron at that. Maybe I'll stick you
> in my killfile too--your .sig is annoying, and you never write anything
> of merit anyway.
Better watch out, or you'll become Item "M"
>
> --
> B.B. --I am not a goat! [EMAIL PROTECTED] @airmail.net
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.theory,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Impact of Internet
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:28:27 -0400
Phlip wrote:
>
> > You're an idiot.
>
> Another impact of the Internet is we get exposed to insightful and
> sensitive discourse like this...
>
Let's restore the whole posting:
I wrote:
> Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:
> >
> > Phlip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > >> The internet, in a short time, has proven to be one of the best
> > > >> ways to communicate information ever developed in history. Was
> > > >> this why the guys at CERN developed it to begin with.
> > >
> > > CERN invented the Internet?? A short time ago???
> >
> > Well, Tim Berners-Lee, working at CERN, invented HTML and what is now called
> > WWW. So it depends what the word "internet" means to you. For most of its
> > users, I would consider the statement to be at least two-thirds true.
> >
>
> You're an idiot.
>
> The Internet existed for 20 YEARS before Cern invent the WORLD WIDE WEB.
>
> Clue for the clueless World Wide Web is a structure built *ON* the internet.
>
> Hope that helps, moron.
>
>
> > Jan
>
Phlip, you are implying that Jan is *NOT* an idiot?
Are you willing to stand by such a statement, or will you
concede that my assessment--Jan Vorbrueggen is an idiot--is accurate.
> --
> Phlip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ============== http://phlip.webjump.com ==============
> -- Shock Value Added --
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare?
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:33:48 +1200
Craig Kelley wrote:
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> The Microsoft zealots always quote marketshare at some point, have
>> you noticed? I started thinking about that, why is it important? Is
>> it important?
>>
>> I think "why" marketshare is somewhat important, is because you need
>> a community of users and developers to create the various
>> software. The days where one could write all that they need are long
>> gone.
>>
>> The real issue is how big does that market need to be? How many
>> active users/developers does it take before a system is self
>> sustaining? Also, does open source make this number larger or
>> smaller than the equivalent closed source?
>
> Just like a nuclear reaction; you need to achive critical. It doesn't
> take much really -- I'd put all the BSD varients in that category.
>
> What's *really* cool is the number of universities that are using
> Linux as a tool for education. Each of the students in those classes
> will now know the intricacies of the kernel and other open source
> software packages when they graduate (is there a college campus that
> *doesn't* use Linux?).
>
> Microsoft withdrew their "Academic Cooperative" from our school last
> year; they used to "donate" a few million dollars worth of software
> every year (probably for some tax write-off). Since then, the number
> of Linux boxes on campus has gone up by at least a factor of 10. It
> was the dumbest thing they ever did... now we have soaring energy
> costs and we're asking how to cut down the budget... :-)
>
My university I went to ran Digital UNIX w/ Samba hich served quite a few
computers. During a tutorial in our first year, we were asked to name
OS's, most people said, "Windows 3.11, DOS, Windows 98/95/NT/2000" and the
lecturer responded, "all of you guys would be great as sales reps for
Microsoft, but could someone name a REAL OS", 4 people including me named
them, IRIX, Solaris, VMS, OpenVMS, QNX, DigitalUNIX, HP-UX etc. etc. hence
the jouney into the unknown land of UNIX began. By the end of the course,
people were so thoroughly disgusted with Windows, I, along with 3 others
were asked for guidence on how to install Linux, on several occasions I
installed Linux on the people's computer and gave basic linux tutorials.
Matthew Gardiner
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Subject: Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare?
From: Eric Leblanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:31:22 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Eric Leblanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > "Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > > It's more than just number of users. There has to be a viable
> market as
> > > > > well. Many software developers don't see the Linux market as viable
> > > > > even though it probably has enough users to otherwise make it so (if
> it
> > > > > were a closed source platform, like the Mac).
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason is that Linux users are always screaming about price, and
> how
> > > > > things are free. ISV's see this as "Nobody wants to pay for
> software,
> > > > > and I'm not going to write it for charity".
> > > >
> > > > BS to the extreme.
> > > > In the last 12 month I *bought* linux-software for more than 1500$,
> > > > compared to just about 300$ for wintendo (for the kids).
> > > > Give me the progs (and not this shit like office), and I will gladly
> pay
> > > > for them if they are good.
> > >
> > > Peter, do you *HONESTLY* think you are a typical Linux desktop user?
> >
> > Let's talk about typical Windows home desktop users, In my experience,
> most of
> > them have bought less than 5 software titles including the ones that came
> > with their computer when they bought it. Most of what is installed were
> > *borrowed* from work, colleagues and friends or simply lifted from the
> > net.
>
> While I don't agree with with your experience, even if it were true, lets
> think about it for a moment. Even if 1% of the people that own Windows
> bought your software. That's still over 2 million copies. If 1% of the
> Linux users buy your software, how much is it?
60,000? I'm not arguing with you that the market for windows is huge.
I'm arguing that there are more peoples that don't buy theirs softwares
in that market. Beside, didn't you argue previously that it was not
because of market share that software developpers weren't seen the linux
market as viable for theirs products? Was it because we want everything
for free?
I object to that statement that linux user want everything for free.
Give me something that is worth paying for (and that i need) and i
will buy it.
E.
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