Linux-Advocacy Digest #886, Volume #32 Mon, 19 Mar 01 11:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Mindless suicide! Rediculous Dumbasses! (Anonymous)
Re: the mismeasure of man (Anonymous)
Re: Mindless suicide! Rediculous Dumbasses! (the tree by the river)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (Martigan)
User Friendly?? (Martigan)
Re: Yet more XBox bogification... (Jim Naylor)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Gabriele Del Giovine")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Matthias Warkus)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Jon Johanson")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Jon Johanson")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Jon Johanson")
Re: The Linux office, a possible future..... (Nick Condon)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Chad Everett)
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:40:53 -0700
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mindless suicide! Rediculous Dumbasses!
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:10:08
> -0700;
> >"Masha Ku' Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> You know, the really scary thing about Charlie's enthusiasm is that it feels
> >> so much like the "You GOTTA be saved, Jesus LOVES you!.." enthusiasm of some
> >> religious sects.
> >>
> >> Or is "Linus loves you," more accurate?
> >
> >windows is a pretty cool system. easy to install and easy to use. i like
> >it just fine.
> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >
> >men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> >more even than death
> >- bertrand russell
>
> When I recently changed my .sig, I received several lame comments about
> how I wasn't following my own advice, using such a sig while flaming
> trollers rather callously. But that's nothing compared to "Jackie"
> here; one must presume he hasn't even managed to read his own sig, let
> alone understand what it says and its applicability to his own comments.
what part of my comment do you dispute?
that i think windows is cool?
if so, how can this be considered evidence of fear of thought when it
expresses nothing more than a subjective response - ie 'that's pretty
cool'
or do you have a dispute that windows is easy to use and easy to install?
if you do i suspect you define 'easy' in an idiosyncratic way which makes
the byzantine world of unix look good - such as 'it won't crash'
ignoring the fact that a system which doesn't crash but which requires
more investment in time and effort than most people are willing to make
just to get started with is, for most people, effectively useless.
or perhaps you think liking windows is itself evidence that i fear thought?
well, that may have an element of truth if you define 'thought' strictly
as human cpu cycles. my observations indictate that learning to use unix
well requires an immense amount of what is for most people (myself
included) tedious and unpleasant mental work. this is the underlying
reason for the high value placed on unix savvy people by the market in
that it tends to restrict the supply. (the other side of this is, of
course, increased demand)
now it may be that you, like a lot of people on usenet, love working with
computers. but you should not let this blind you to the fact that for most
people working with computers has only been made just barely tolerable by
things like windows.
and until this is fully understood by the linux evangelists bill gates
needn't lose any sleep fretting over microsoft losing thier total desktop
enduser market domination.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:52:21 -0700
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the mismeasure of man
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:23:28
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Krivis) eeped:
> >> On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:21:31 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >In article <983ulp$1ql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten wrote:
> >> >>> A true IQ test would have to
> >> >>> involve pictures and patterns, and perhaps have some mathematical
> >> >>> basis, because these are the only ideas that translate well all over
> >> >>> the world.
> >> >>
> >> >>I don't believe there is a true IQ test. People are good at different
> >> >>thing.
> >> >>
> >> >>-Ed
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >For instance, most Windows users are extremely good at immitating rocks.
> >>
> >>
> >> <sigh>
> >>
> >> Most people use Windows because it came with their computer, or the ads
> >> mentioned Windows, or they've heard of MS and Windows, or Joe from next
> >> door has Windows and dials up to AOL and looks at pr0n.
> >>
> >> Then there are business users who run what they're given.
> >
> >then there are those who are in business and understand economies of
> >scale. not to mention the cost of paying a headcase unix guru to be snotty
> >and obnoxious whilst smelling up the office and dripping twinkie crumbs on
> >the server and making rtfm sounds with his porcine cakehole.
> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> Apparently, somebody has an agenda.
but then again, who doesn't?
> >men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> >more even than death
> >- bertrand russell
>
> And is missing a sig delimiter, as well.
is your computer 'missing' windows?
> The first line of your sig
> file should be "--
> ", Jackie. (Dash, Dash, Space, Newline). Following this convention
> will allow certain correctly functioning news readers to automatically
> snip your sig.
yes, and?
> Particularly useful when you use your "Aaron Style" sig.
useful to whom?
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Mindless suicide! Rediculous Dumbasses!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the tree by the river)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:52:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Chaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I converted yet another girlfriend to Linux
...it was only a matter of time before
Linux would be ported to homo sapiens....
(I wonder what "ps -aux" generates....)
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From: Martigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:55:44 GMT
Andy Walker wrote:
>
> Jan Johanson wrote in message <3ab419a9$0$48766$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/11929.html
> >
> >"Lockheed Martin is working on the design of the new US CVN 77 aircraft
> >carrier, and Microsoft Federal Systems is to co-operate in the ship's
> >information technology architecture. This will, we kid you not, be based
> >on Windows 2000. Microsoft Consulting Services will meanwhile chip in
> >with
> tech
> >support during the ship's software design, development and deployment."
> >
> >Cause the Navy knows what everyone else already knows, W2K is rock solid
> >enough to trust lives to.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> This seems to explain why Americans keep hitting friendly troops then....
> How about a competition for the first person to knock out the U.S. carrier
> with the I love you virus!
>
>
It is the end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bill Gates, whom already has the
military by the nutts will own the damn systems they work on!
Yeah the military is so advanced it uses Unix as an email server and Win2K
for more relibale work....like logistics.
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From: Martigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: User Friendly??
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:16:55 GMT
O.k. folks I need some help here. Alot of users that consider MS-whatever
their true OS. And other consider Linux there same.
Well if user friendly is popping in a CD and type in a fewthings,
waiting....waiting....reboot...waiting.....reboot....waiting....waiting...reboot....zzz.
OR please select your mouse, gfx, snd, moni, and packages.....make some
coffee.....read a book (O'reilly running LINUX).
What is user friendly? To my experience Windows doesn't want the user to
think at all. It installs everything possible and hopes you have some of
the hardware.
Linux puts in what you have, saves a bit of space. Sure I might have to
configure special things if I want to use my gfx for games. But the choice
is there.
I think user friendly is: The ability to change everything about the OS to
fit your needs, with out multiple reboots.
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From: Jim Naylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: 19 Mar 2001 14:22:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edwin wrote:
> >
> > Jim Naylor wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jim Naylor wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > >
> > > > > There's no "lying" going on at all. I've seen
> > > > > protypes from other game companies. This is
> > > > > common practice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Edwin
> > > > >
> > > > > "I have never outrightly lied on this group in
> > > > > spite of whatever you think to the contrary.
> > > > > Alright I lied. But except in the case of Macsbug
> > > > > and DONK nobody had me dead to rights. I lied. So
> > > > > sue me." -- EdWIN Thorne
> > > >
> > > > Jim Naylor once again trots out his cut-and-paste
> > > > creation. He wants to make certain no one will
> > > > ever mistake him for one who pocesses morals or
> > > > ethics.
> > >
> > > Hey EdLOOPS, what's a protype?
> >
> > Go get an education.
> >
>
> Using words you dont (and nobody else does) undestand?
> Tch, tch.
>
> > > "I have never outrightly lied on this group in spite
> > > of whatever you think to the contrary. Alright I
> > > lied. But except in the case of Macsbug and DONK
> > > nobody had me dead to rights. I lied. So sue me."
> > > -- EdWIN Thorne
> > >
> > If Jim can do it, so can I:
> >
>
> I see you are a liar again.
>
> > -- I'm a pedophile. I've been locked up for years for
> > molesting little boys, but I just can't stop. I wish
> > somebody would kill me. -- Jim Naylor
>
> You might want to ba a little careful about this quote.
> It seems very close to libel.
I know you realize that the above construction is not a
quote, Rick. But your observation is absolutely on. My first
reaction was to simply point out the absurdity of it. After
sleeping on it, however, I'm wondering if that is adequate
with this collection of personas, which behave collectively
as if they have total freedom to emerge, lie, duck down
while a new one pops out to deny, then pretend that nothing
has happened.
I'll be getting some legal advice today. Free speech does
have its limits, no how many "faces of EdWIN" there are.
--
Jim Naylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Gabriele Del Giovine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:26:17 +0100
"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17679.html>
>
> German armed forces ban MS software, citing NSA snooping
> By: John Lettice
> Posted: 17/03/2001 at 18:59 GMT
>
> The German foreign office and Bundeswehr are pulling the
> plugs on Microsoft software, citing security concerns,
But they still use Cisco IOS....
Very smart....
Bye.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:29:49 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:06:52 -0600...
...and Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's there to gloat about? This means they won't use Linux either, since
> they claim they won't use *ANY* software developed in America, and much of
> Linux is developed in American by Americans.
Wrong. They just won't use any software developed in America by
unethical companies who open their source code to the NSA, but not to
their customers.
mawa
--
Why don't you keep your mouth as closed as your mind?
-- John Holland
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From: "Jon Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: 19 Mar 2001 08:26:07 -0600
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Andy Walker wrote:
>
> "Blue Screen of Death" has a whole new meaning.
Fortunately that's not an issue with any properly configured system,
especially not a W2K system hardened for military use - silly boy...
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From: "Jon Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: 19 Mar 2001 08:27:03 -0600
"Andy Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Jan Johanson wrote in message <3ab419a9$0$48766$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/11929.html
> >
> >"Lockheed Martin is working on the design of the new US CVN 77 aircraft
> >carrier, and Microsoft Federal Systems is to co-operate in the ship's
> >information technology architecture. This will, we kid you not, be based
on
> >Windows 2000. Microsoft Consulting Services will meanwhile chip in with
> tech
> >support during the ship's software design, development and deployment."
> >
> >Cause the Navy knows what everyone else already knows, W2K is rock solid
> >enough to trust lives to.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> This seems to explain why Americans keep hitting friendly troops then....
At least they can hit something - unlike the rest of the world's military.
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From: "Jon Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: 19 Mar 2001 08:27:07 -0600
"Electric Ninja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Wpht6.28385$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> For getting work done I love Win2000 like a charm but I'm scared to death
to
> have something like that running one of our aircraft carriers.
Why? It works as well as any other server OS...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Subject: Re: The Linux office, a possible future.....
Date: 19 Mar 2001 14:27:31 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>ME.co.uk says...
>> We all know Pete is, err, honesty-challenged.
>
>Prove it! Where have I lied!
Ok, I'm not going to get drawn into this so just one counter-example,
remember a little post-ette you made about a month ago, where you claimed
there was no unmetered Internet access in the UK?
>> The IT job market here in the
>> UK is broadly the same as elsewhere in the world. "Internet" skills are
>> number 1, followed by Java, followed by C/C++.
>
>Really? Then why are the job adverts crammed full with Windows jobs:
>Internet/Java/C/C++?
>
>> All strong Unix catageories.
>
>And as strong on Windows.
>
Sure they are. Have you ever even heard of Java?
--
Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:09:02 GMT
On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:45:42 -0800, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chad Everett wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:47:52 -0800, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> GreyCloud wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > J Sloan wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Dave Martel wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17679.html>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > German armed forces ban MS software, citing NSA snooping
>> >> > > > By: John Lettice
>> >> > > > Posted: 17/03/2001 at 18:59 GMT
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The German foreign office and Bundeswehr are pulling the
>> >> > > > plugs on Microsoft software, citing security concerns,
>> >> > > > according to the German news magazine Der Spiegel.
>> >> > > > Spiegel claims that German security authorities suspect that
>> >> > > > the US National Security Agency (NSA) has 'back door'
>> >> > > > access to Microsoft source code, and can therefore easily
>> >> > > > read the Federal Republic's deepest secrets.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > "The Bundeswehr will no longer use American software ... on
>> >> > > > computers used in sensitive areas..."
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This makes me quite proud of my German ancestry.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > j
>> >> > To all... no one is safe from NSA's equipment! Go ahead and encrypt
>> >> > ... you can't hide anything from those guys. They are a very scary
>> >> > organization!
>> >>
>> >> That's what THEY WANT you to think.
>> >>
>> >> The truth is less fearsome.
>> >
>> >I used to work for them. I know. They make their own chips for their
>> >own computer designs. Believe me, even if you shred a document they
>> >have ways to put it back together again. Their custom computers can
>> >decrypt any message that uses current encryption schemes and do it in 3
>> >seconds, where it would take a Pentium III several thousand years to
>> >do.
>>
>> This is simply not true. It would take "geological" time to break
>> a decrypted message that uses a modern encryption algorithm..unless you
>> have the key or the encrypted message along with its plaintext.
>>
>> The NSA is NOT the agency that they used to be. Technology is rapidly
>> surpassing them.
>>
>
>You can think that, but they've been doing decryption work for several
>decades now.
>I sure wish I could say more, but even DSC had a show about what little
>the agency was willing to show, and one building had a great many of
>their own super-cooled super computers of their own design. NSA has
>always acquired all commercial and non-commercial encryption algorithms
>and found the necessary holes or weaknesses in them. Believe me they
>know how and are far more advanced in technology that a lot of people
>think they are.
>
My point is the NSA of the past (as in when you say "has always") is not
the NSA of today. They can cool their computers all the way to absolute
zero and still not be able to decrypt a modern encryption algorithm.
There are certain mathematical foundations of modern crypto that the
just can't be ignored. You might as well tell use that the NSA has
super secret techniques for "breaking" gravity.
Here is a GREAT article about that appeared in The New Yorker about a year
or so ago that describes the real problems that the NSA has with modern
crypto and technology:
http://cryptome.org/nsa-hersh.htm
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