Linux-Advocacy Digest #886, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 19:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MIcrosoft: Words, denial and WTF! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Roberto
Alsina)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:38:22 -0400
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:21:53 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >WesTralia wrote:
> >>
> >> Chad Everett wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:13:44 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >WesTralia wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Aaron, why are you so scared of women?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This is a question that needs asking? Hmmm... let's see:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> a) he has never had a date.
> >> > >
> >> > >15 girlfriends, lots of sex, no dates.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > 1. May 1980 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 2. May 1981 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 3. May 1982 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 4. May 1983 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 5. May 1984 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 6. May 1985 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 7. May 1986 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 8. May 1987 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 9. May 1988 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 10. May 1989 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 11. May 1990 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 12. May 1991 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 13. May 1992 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 14. May 1993 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> > 15. May 1994 Penthouse centerfold.
> >> >
> >> > Lot's of sex: Right hand, left hand, right hand, left hand.....
> >> >
> >>
> >> Aaron's hatred of women is really starting to perfectly fit the
> >
> >Hatred of male-hating sexism =/= hatred of women.
>
> You said women are better off when they are not allowed to walk in
> the street without male company.
>
> That's pretty hateful.
Ask a woman who'se been raped while walking home alone at night.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:39:02 -0400
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:45:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Wrong. I enjoy the company of American women very much.
> >> >
> >> >However, forming a legal association with one is hazardous
> >> >to a man's wealth.
> >>
> >> Well, forming an association with you can be dangerous for a womans
> >> health.
> >
> >Are you asserting that I have a venereal disease?
>
> Do you? No, I did not assert that.
Then your assertion is false.
Hope that helps.
>
> >> >> >Smart men don't put their entire life's earnings at the whim of
> >> >> >a fickle-minded, self-centered, spoiled little conceited tart,
> >> >> >her lawyer, and the willing accomplice in a black robe.
> >> >>
> >> >> You know, that russian gal you brought? She has the exact
> >> >> same rights under american law as any other gal. And sooner
> >> >> or later she's going to find out. And half your roy rogers
> >> >> card collection will be hers!
> >> >
> >> >But, she doesn't believe it is her right to run off with 1/2 of
> >> >the wealth which I accumulated for YEARS before I ever met her.
> >>
> >> It's not what she believes. It's what the judge says, kid.
>
> Note: no response. Maybe Aaron is now planning of radicating in Saudi
> Arabia so he can keep his card collection in case of divorce.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.child-support,soc.men,alt.feminism,talk.abortion,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:40:48 -0400
"Kenneth S." wrote:
>
> As explained below, no-fault divorce is such a wonderful, commonsense
> idea that I just cannot understand why we don't have it in other areas
> of the law.
>
> How about no-fault business partnership law? One of the partners could
> just walk away from the partnership. Perhaps that partner could be
> rewarded for doing so by getting a disproportionate share of the
> partnership assets. None of that tiresome stuff about whether the
> partner who wants to break up the partnership has breached the terms of
> the legal agreement that set up the partnership. Avoid all the tedious
> business of making people who freely entered into a business partneship
> abide by their legal obligations.
>
> There are many areas of business where the no-fault principle could be
> applied. So why isn't this done? The answer is that business in the
> U.S. is a serious issue. People realize that, if you let business
> partners walk away from their obligations, legal contracts will become
> meaningless, and the whole structure behind business will be eroded. In
> other words, what has happened to the legal basis of the family in the
> U.S. would happen to business.
>
> Oh, and there's another reason why the no-fault principle isn't applied
> to business law. In business, there's no specially privileged group
> that always wins in any conflicts with the other business sectors, and
> that has an interest in being able to walk away from its obligations.
> In other words, there's no equivalent of the feminist special interest
> group.
>
> un-parged wrote:
> >
> > cross-posts restored
> >
> > Parg2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > ><cut>
> > >
> > > >No fault divorce means that any fault is ignored,>in the worst case
> > senario
> > > the person at fault is rewarded.
> > > >
> > > {Parg} No fault divorce means that the courts assume it takes two to
> > arrive at
> > > that point in a marriage. No one person is entirely at fault and the
> > courts
> > > don't have the time, inclination or economic ability to baby sit you.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MIcrosoft: Words, denial and WTF!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:41:00 -0500
Matthew exposes himself as the idiot he is. In his zeal to "expose" the
conspiracy of wording, his ignorance of the words "vulnerability" and
"Service" are shown. Never mind the fact that MS uses the term "hot fix"
for interim patches (between service packs).
The real reason it's called a "Service pack" is that it often includes new
features, and not just fixes. For instance, One NT4 service pack included a
new form of threading called "Fibers" (similar to Posix threads).
All this coming from the guy that thought the i810 GART issues were simply
"fixed" by a new version of XFree. He doesn't even know much about his OS
of choice, how can he be making any credible statements about any other OS?
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Yes, this is another look at the Microsoft machine and the arrogance it
> displays. First of all, this all MHO, no more, no less, however, most
> Linux advocates and ex-windows users probably agree with me.
>
> Patches, bug fixes, service packs, normal words in the world of
> computing, no OS are immune to bugs and problems, however, how one word
> these problems is an interesting topic.
>
> Lets look at the SUN, a UNIX power house, they refer to Solaris OS
> updates and bug fixes, as "patches". Thus telling the public, there have
> been some errors in the Solaris (or what ever) product, and here are
> some files to correct the problem, and on top of that, here are some new
> features. Lotus refers to these files as either fixes or patches, thus
> going along the same line as SUN for the reasoning, both have taken
> responsibility for the errors.
>
> Now we come to Microsoft, who don't call them "patches" or "fixes", but
> "service packs", thus avoiding the admittance that maybe in one of their
> products there is a bug. Talk to a Microsoft rep. and they prefer to
> call it an "update", as if to say to the customer that it enhances the
> reliability even more, whilst making sure they don't mention the fact
> that they (Microsoft) were too sloppy to ensure that there weren't any
> bugs in the original code.
>
> Security alerts are even more hilarious, they are not referred to as
> "security holes" or "bugs", instead they are called "security
> vulnerabilities", thus offloading the responsibility for "creating the
> hole" on the shoulders of hackers/crackers/script kiddies, instead of
> taking the responsibility themselves for the error.
>
> The arrogance goes further than mear words, it heads into their
> advertising, there customer service, the whole company culture that
> surrounds Microsoft. You ring up Microsoft because Visual Basic 6 (with
> latest service packs) doesn't work with Microsoft Office 2000, the first
> question you get asked it how you are going to pay for the support! I
> shelled out $350 fucking dollars, why the hell should I shell out even
> more money to line Bill Gates Pockets? I paid for the software, I want
> the support that goes with it. Compare that to SUN, I have a copy of
> SUN Forte Developer 6, I didn't even have a support contract with SUN
> and they still helped me, so it definitely shows where each companies
> priorities lye.
>
> Office XP, yet another over hyped, under performing suite. The people I
> know, who kept with Lotus Smart Suite are quite happy about the fact
> that they aren't on the upgrade tread mill, and the cost of it has
> stayed constant, and in some cases gone down since the original
> purchase. Compare what you get for $NZ300, Lotus Smart Suite,
> w/Database, Browser, Wordprocessor, etc etc, compared to Microsoft's
> $1300 suite which does the same thing! when are people going to wake up
> to the hype, its a black hole, sucking users in with the promise of
> enhanced productivity, however, once sucked in, and have relised that it
> has not delivered, they dare not tell anyone of their stupid decision,
> and they stick with Office, even though Corel Wordperfect Suite 2002,
> Lotus Smart Suite 2000, or StarOffice could have achieved the same feats
> at 1/10th the price.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> Disclaimer:
>
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:41:02 GMT
"Roberto Alsina"
> >> >> >Are you saying our societies are the same. Please, describe this
> >> >"global"
> >> >> >society for us all.
> >> >>
> >> >> Let's put it this way: there's a lot of local colour.
> >> >
> >> >And that is your description of the "global" society you say exists.
> >>
> >> No, it ain't. I was just not responding to your question.
> >
> >Yet the request remains unanswered.
>
> Indeed it remains. I even said so myself just above. BTW: the use of
> "yet" in that sentence makes no sense.
Quibbling again. Why?
BTW you are again wrong. Get a good dictionary. "Yet" also means "again"
and "nevertheless".
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:41:45 -0400
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:31:58 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:31:42 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:46:17 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >>Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:48:22 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >> >> >>> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >"Roberto Alsina"
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >> I personally believe any killing not in self defense, including
> >> >> >>> >> >> killing at war, should be considered murder.
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >You need to mature and understand that truth and reality aren't what
>you
> >> >> >>> >> >"personally believe".
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> I understand what the situation currently is.
> >> >> >>> >> However, that doesn´t mean I think that situation is perfect,
> >> >> >>> >> or even very good.
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> Sadly, we have been, as a society, convinced by the men with
> >> >> >>> >> guns that they have a right to kill.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >My house has over half a dozen guns, and ammunition for each,
> >> >> >>> >and I haven't been convinced that I have any "right to kill"
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Why do you have lethal weapons?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Because defending yourself is a human right.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> If the answer is "to defend myself", who would you be defending
> >> >> >>> yourself against?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Violent, law-breaking criminals.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Do you know of any violent felons who send out courtesy cards
> >> >> >>in the mail a week before they come visit their victims?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If more people in Roberto's country had been armed and ready to defend
> >> >> >themselves, maybe thousands and thousands would not have been led like
> >> >> >lambs to the slaughter.
> >> >>
> >> >> If less people had been armed, they wouldn't have died either.
> >> >> The problem lies on staying in the middle.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not to mention that armed rebellion was the excuse used to kill
> >> >> those thousands. By people who really, really, liked guns.
> >> >
> >> >Without Armed Rebellion, Roberto, there would be no United States,
> >> >with whose borders you are currently CHOOSING to live.
> >>
> >> Excuse me, but what on earth is that supposed to mean?
> >
> >If it were not for an armed rebellion, you would be, right now, in
> >some British Empire derivative like Canada or Australia which
> >doesn't recognize free speech (nor a number of other human rights)
>
> That is incredibly unlikely unless Canada engendered a new Alexander.
>
> >> >Why the US and not Britain?
> >> >
> >> >Ah yes...because in Britain, you have less freedom, and a higher
> >> >cost of living.
> >>
> >> Why what the US and why not what Britain?
> >
> >For a graduate student working on his PhD, you certainly are
> >a stupid fucking pile of shit.
>
> I am not a graduate student, and I am not working on any PhD.
> What on EARTH are you talking about???
Ok...for PhD, you are certianly a stupid fucking pile of shit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 24 Apr 2001 22:42:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:29:57 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >What part of "taking money from MY kids to feed YOUR kids is THEFT"
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> What part of that what? And who said they are my kids?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >forcibly taking money from MY kids to feed ANY other man's kids is THEFT
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You have kids? The government should require a license for that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Statist asshole.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The government should protect people from danger.
>> >> >
>> >> >The US Supreme Court has ruled that the police have ZERO obligation to
>> >> >protect people from danger. They are only required to investigate crimes.
>> >> >If they also HAPPEN to protect the people, then that's great...but, legally,
>> >> >it's not part of the job description (although protecting POLITICIANS is).
>> >>
>> >> I don't know how it is up there, but here, the goal of arresting the
>> >> criminals is to prevent them from committing more crimes, and that
>> >> counts as protection.
>> >
>> >Arresting criminals is necessary, but not sufficient for "protection"
>>
>> Of course not. But it *is* protection. And it *is* what they do.
>> So their goals include protection. Now admit you were saying nonsense and move
>> on.
>
>If police merely arrest criminals all day, but do NOTHING to prevent
>crimes from occuring, is that sufficient to say that they are protecting
>the people?
Yes. You may say they are not making a very good job, or you may say their
protection is insufficient, but there's no doubt they are protecting the
people.
>If you ask one of the crime victims, would he/she say that the
>police protected him/her?
Apparently we have this difference of interpretation. By "protecting
the people" I simply mean "reducing the danger for the people" while
you seem to mean "eliminating the danger for the people".
Since that is a fairly reasonable use of the term, and I was the
one who introduced it, I would consider this particular quibble
cleared.
>> >that is, you can arrest criminals, but STILL not fulfill any sort of
>> >supposed obligation "to protect" the public.
>>
>> Arresting criminals is already protecting the public. It is not all
>> they could do to protect them? Sure. But it is protecting.
>
>No...it's arresting criminals. Partial Protection of the public
>is merely a by-product....a side-effect.
It's an effect of their actions. Therefore it's something they achieve.
Doing something by indirect means is still doing it.
>> >To protect the public means to prevent the crime from occuring in
>> >the first place.
>>
>> That is one of the many things protecting the public means. It also
>> means many other things.
>
>If the police were required to "Protect the Public", then we would
Notice I did not say "the police" but "the government". I will
not go down this tangent.
[snip tangent]
>> >> >> Isn't that why people should pay for the army?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >No. That's why every able-bodied male should SERVE in the army.
>> >>
>> >> And buy their own planes, right?
>> >
>> >non-sequitor.
>>
>> Just exposing your bullshit. Without taxes there can not be a modern
>> army, because just volunteering will not get you the equipment.
>> Therefore, you ADVOCATE taxes, which you deem enslavement, which you
>> deem worthy of the death penalty. Now go kill yourself.
>
>Taxes =/= caring
Non sequitur. You advocate "slavery" and the assasination of "enslavers"
without trial. Be honest and kill yourself.
[snip Aaron making a promise and breaking it]
[snip stupid tautology of defining slavery as theft in order to say
slavery is theft]
>> >> >> >> >Do you not believe that those who enslave others forfeit their rights?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Nope. I believe all humans have human rights.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> [1] Taking the money earned by a drug dealer and giving it to the DEA
>> >> >> >> is not theft, is it Aaron? Yet you are taking the fruits of the dealer's
>> >> >> >> labour, against their will, for the benefit of other persons.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Theft is defined, among other things, by being against the law.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You write like someone who wants to belittle slavery as "mere theft"...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually, no. I believe slavery is something much worse than theft.
>> >> >> Yet you claim theft is slavery. I would say YOU are the one that
>> >> >> belittles slavery.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >and will then proceed to spin some wild-assed story about why his
>> >> >> >slavery cum theft is justified.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You, my friend, are confused.
>> >> >
>> >> >You obviously don't know about all the different forms of slavery.
>> >>
>> >> You obviously don't know about any.
>> >
>> >Please tell us why you (erroneously) think slavery is not theft.
>>
>> Men are not property. Slavery involves treatment of men as property.
>
>Is it specifically necessary for someone to be "property" to be
>a slave?
Yes, in all cases I can think of right now.
>And the current income tax + welfare system makes all working people
>into property...not of other individuals, but property of the state.
Bzzt. The state can not sell you. You can abandon the state. You can
change states. Analogy awful.
>> >hint, it has NOTHING to do with confinement, nor brutality.
>> >Hope that helps
>>
>> I don't even need to use that.
>>
>> Slavery: the state of entire subjection of one person to the will of another.
>
>Not at all.
Sorry dude, that's the dictionary. Are you humpty dumpty?
>Slaves owning slaves...who might also own slaves...
>
>Interseting, is it not?
Not much. All it means is that one is subject to a subject.
>> That's in the dictionary, look it up. Slavery involves enslavement, not
>> theft. You can look those up, too.
>>
>> Theft is theft. It's taking the other person's property illegally.
>> Slavery is worse. Don't belittle slavery, Aaron.
>
>A distinction without a difference.
They are not even *alike*. And since you support taxes for the support
of the army, that makes you an "enslaver" by your definition. Go kill
yourself. You have the guns to do it.
--
Roberto Alsina
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