Linux-Advocacy Digest #724, Volume #33 Fri, 20 Apr 01 07:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: What's the point (Ian Pulsford)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (GreyCloud)
Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:9 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN) (Steve Chaney)
Re: What's the point (Terry Porter)
Re: What's the point (Terry Porter)
Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 (Ian Davey)
Re: Microsoft gets hard (Bernd Paysan)
Re: What's the point (Terry Porter)
Re: What's the point (Terry Porter)
Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.) (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Why linux is good and a complaint about RedHat (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: What's the point (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Microsoft gets hard (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1 (Matthew Gardiner)
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:10:09 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
B'ichela wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:13:45 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >This may not come as a surprise, but there are a lot of 30+ year olds in
> >the U.S. that have a hard time reading a simple newspaper. That's why
> >us older folks are being asked to come back to work because the younger
> >generation can't read the technical manuals or follow simple written
> >instructions. Very pathetic.
> I know lots of those people who the minute I try to teach them
> Unix using a very simplified textbook, slam the book down and refuse
> to read it based on its thickness! These same people cry "B'ichela" when
> trying to program their VCR or set up a simple Direct-TV (single LNB)
> sattelite system!
> I was taught the old way, by books. I am 33, female and
> college educated! I learn by doing things and I am not afraid of
> failure. Heres a Linux Example of my thinking:
> I have a ancient Adaptec ACB-4070 bridgeboard. its old, crufty
> and not fully Scsi-1 complient (it lacks the identify Scsi command). I
> wanted to put it to use. I asked on comp.periph.scsi if anyone had
> pointers for software or manuals (I had none). I got lots of help and
> manuals to configure and interface.
> This board CLEARLY was RTFM! I had to hack the Linux 2.0.38
> scsi.c routine to add the proper kludges. Please NOTE! I don't know
> advanced C at all, yet I pressed on. With my K&R Ansi C manual and a
> book from Kochan to learn C I began to get the thing working
> (unforcunatly its a RLL board and I only had a MFM drive. Drive not
> RLL friendly). After several days of printing and reading and failed
> compiles I got the driver to at least talk to the board. Because my
> drive was not RLL I could not sucessfully low level it.
> What I learned in the end was several things
> 1. If I want it done. I gotta do the homework.
> 2. Dont make a new Lilo boot until your loadlin bzImage version is
> working right. I learned this one long ago. Glad I though of this
> before potentially distroying a stable system ;)
> 3. I learned some things about pointers and structs.
> 4. MFM drives don't do RLL well.
> 5. Learned about how the Scsi Bus operates in reguards to the level 0
> and level 1 command sets.
>
> My friends who are not very good at technoligy at all sat
> there flabergasted that I was not afraid to tackle such a project.
> They told me that they would have just thrown the board out.
> The same goes with dealing with simple Sattelite dish
> installations. I did both a single LNB DTV system and a Dish Network
> Dish 500 system. What I learned was invaluable in the future
> installation of dish systems.
>
> As for the ACB-4070 bridgeboard project? I need a RLL drive if
> I want to give it another go or a ACB-4000a bridgeboard (its the MFM
> version). Personally I still want to use this sucker! anyone got
> either a RLL drive or the ACB-4000a bridgeboard laying around I would
> like to have it.
>
> --
>
> B'ichela
I agree with everything you say. A *good* Unix system requires a lot of
reading and perserverence. But it's not going to sell to the people who
want to use a computer as a tool like a typewriter. That is why the
first Unix to be well dumbed down is going to be very popular. I'm all
in favour of Unix being dumbed down as long as it is not at the expense
of being able to hack /etc/* scripts with vi. I'm very interested to
see how Mac OS X will do, and I'm hoping it will increase the
availability of Unix mindshare (and work).
IanP
--
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how is so-and-so. Blah blah.
Yours truly, some bozo." - Homer Simpson
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:18:48 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> <snype>
>
> Think of the issue like this. We are now in the era of technological
> change, yet we still rely on technology 100 years old that has changed
> very little. Instead of the government wasting money on pointless tax
> cuts, maybe some of that money could be used to setup a Crown Funded
> Laboratory to fund research into economically viable alternative fuels
> and the rest used to pay off the overseas debt and public debt. That
> would be a hell of a lot more effective than giving a huge tax cut to
> those at the top of the food chain.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
Unfortunately, the bigcats that own the oil won't allow any research to
be made usable by the public. It will impact on their business. I've
seen it happen all too often when someone comes out with a good idea it
gets shot down.
The cold-fusion flap in Utah... so called academics said it was a fraud.
In the Navy times the Navy tried it and it said they had great success
with cold-fusion. Never heard anything more about.
--
V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Chaney)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:9 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:29:11 GMT
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:23:41 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>>
>> "Gunner ©" wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:08:44 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Hehehehhehe
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm not registered to vote in this precinct, but since I'm a registered
>> > >> Democrat does that matter? <G>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >Since Democrats don't care about such niceties, you are allowed
>> > >to vote AYE in the election, regardless of where you live.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > In fact Sue... you can even vote more than once. Feel free to fill out
>> > the form in your hometown, and again while visiting Fresno.
>> >
>>
>> In the spirit of the Democrat Party, I'll make that 5 AYEs for Sue
>> 4 in her home town, and one in Fresno.
>
>As a Democrat I suppose I should demand some money for my votes, but
>I've reformed over the last few years so you're welcome to 'em.
My black church was paid by the Republican Party to tell me to vote yea
so I must vote nay.
-- Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: What's the point
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 20 Apr 2001 09:39:15 GMT
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:19:04 GMT, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Still unable to grasp a point I see.
I think I understand Ubertrollism very well.
> And the number of porter posts keeps climbing, and climbing, and climbing,
> and ..
Thats persistence for ya!
>
> Gee, that's a lot of work getting done.
> (-;
Hey a guy has to have some entertainment :))
>
>
> "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> normal NON snipped
^^^sense ;-)
Now that hurts!
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: What's the point
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 20 Apr 2001 09:44:11 GMT
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:40:14 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote:
>
>>Some WinTroll messages are so obvious that it's pointless to waste
>>time refutting bogus made up installation horror stories. After
>>all, isn't that exactly what they're after?
>
> Could you bury your head in the sand any deeper, I wonder?
>
Somehow I just knew chrisv would be using Windows. Btw Chad is right,
replying to the same old Wintroll posts is tiresome.
Wintroll: My XYZ soundcard doesnt work, Linux is crap...
Wintroll: Linux is hard to learn, hard to install and ate my granny, so
Linux is crap ...
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Kind Regards
Terry
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Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:48:02 GMT
In article <1mMD6.1519$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>As for your specific claim, you seem an intelligent fellow, but you cannot
>be serious when you claim that "f***" is acceptable and normal English.
>Perhaps it was 400 years ago on a dock in London, but this is not 400 years
>ago. This is here and now, and the word "f***" is currently considered not
>acceptable for public usage. So continue to amuse yourself with Ye Olde
>Dictionary if you like, but you really aren't at all persuasive on the
>matter.
Not acceptable amongst elders perhaps, but you'll find it in common usage in
conversations between those under thirty. Mostly in non-sexual connotations.
Try watching any television program aimed at that age group shown after the
watershed. You might not like the fact it's used, but in casual conversation
between friends of a certain age group you'll find it used quite a bit. And
not to shock either, just as another word in the vocabularly, and quite
acceptable to that age group*.
The fact it's even used on television when a certain other word still gets
bleeped out should say a lot.
ian.
* I'm not talking about the old, "f'ing this, and f'ing that" type
conversations either.
\ /
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:29:02 +0200
From: Bernd Paysan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hard
> > Interesting... so given that linux is associated with dirty haired hippies
>
> I'm a clean-cut, professionally dressed soldier....
>
> > in their parents basements vs MS associated with the largest businesses in
>
> ...who moved out of the house at age 17....
Ah, and the photo of micro-soft in the early days looks like 80% of the
employees are hairy hippies, except a few people like Ballmer, who have
difficulties to grow their hair at all.
--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: What's the point
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 20 Apr 2001 09:58:42 GMT
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:33:44 -0400, pookoopookoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It just isn't so. Those same features that make Linux great, also make
> Windows
>> gurus nuts because it works completely different. It works better than
> both
>> NT/2k and DOS/Windows, just different.
>
> I think you meant to say "It DOESN'T work better/worse than both NT/2k and
> DOS/Windows, just different."
I think he meant 'better' :)
>
> That I'll believe. I have Redhat 6.0 installed and I find X crashes a hell
> of a lot more than windows as a whole.
I honestly think you have some special problem with your videocard or driver?
I have been running Linux and X since 1997 and honestly, ... X should NOT
crash at all, unless you have a bad video card/driver.
Initally before I went to Linux full time, my experiments with Linux were a
pain because X did lock up a lot. When I changed the video card, I *never*
had another X lock up, (as described above) apart from when a friend
(by arrangement) nuked me. In that case, X died and I was back at the command
line. This was probably not even a X problem as I was running kernel 2.0.34 at
the time and installing 2.0.36 rendered his nuking inefectual.
In 4 years of using X every single day, I have had perhaps 4 lockups, 2 caused
by the above nuking, and 2 caused by irc servers going off line!
I suspect that none of these were caused by X itself, but something in the
kernel ?
> Trivial things (like making symlinks
> fer christ's sake) will bring gnome to a screeching halt.
I think Gnome is still to young for production atm, tho I admit I love it:)
> I seem to have
> traded "ctrl-alt-delete" for "ctrl-alt-backspace", only with way uglier UI
> graphics and no games =(
Hahahahah :)
>
> X is not a stable environment, and in my case the windowing system IS the
> OS. I'm sorry to say.
>
>
> I'm a graphic designer by trade, not a programmer. I find linux VERY user
> unfriendly. I have yet to find something to do on it that I can't do easier,
> faster and more reliably in windows (and even, to a lesser degree, MacOS 9).
> I'm used to photoshop, illustrator and quark...Gimp, killustrator and latex
> are VERY poor substitutes...=(
Last weekend I demoed the GIMP to a friend who uses Photoshop for his work
and he was **very** impresed. He said that the Gimp made many things he did
with Photoshop a **lot** easier!
>
> I'd use a free OS if I could.
Linux does take time to adapt to, especially if you come from a dos/Windows
background as I did.
> I love the principle behind Linux (that's the
> liberal commie in me speaking =).
Heheh, good luck in your search for the right OS.
>
>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: What's the point
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 20 Apr 2001 10:10:47 GMT
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:27:52 GMT, B'ichela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:13:45 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>This may not come as a surprise, but there are a lot of 30+ year olds in
>>the U.S. that have a hard time reading a simple newspaper. That's why
>>us older folks are being asked to come back to work because the younger
>>generation can't read the technical manuals or follow simple written
>>instructions. Very pathetic.
> I know lots of those people who the minute I try to teach them
> Unix using a very simplified textbook, slam the book down and refuse
> to read it based on its thickness! These same people cry "B'ichela" when
> trying to program their VCR or set up a simple Direct-TV (single LNB)
> sattelite system!
> I was taught the old way, by books. I am 33, female and
> college educated! I learn by doing things and I am not afraid of
> failure. Heres a Linux Example of my thinking:
> I have a ancient Adaptec ACB-4070 bridgeboard. its old, crufty
> and not fully Scsi-1 complient (it lacks the identify Scsi command). I
> wanted to put it to use. I asked on comp.periph.scsi if anyone had
> pointers for software or manuals (I had none). I got lots of help and
> manuals to configure and interface.
<snip>
> B'ichela
>
What an excellent post, COLA is all the better for it, I think B'ichela
has captured the spirit of adventure/learning and persistence, that leads
one to succeed in the face of numerous difficulties.
If I wore a hat, i'd take it off to this lady :)
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
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Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.)
Date: 20 Apr 2001 10:15:10 GMT
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:54:03 +1200, Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> <snype>
>
> I find it rather humorous that septic tanks throw all Islamic people in
> one big group,
No-one in this discussion is doing anything of the sort! I am merely
pointing out that Saudi Arabia is not the worlds most freedom-loving
state, and their record on womens rights is not that good.
> however, very few of you have atually visited Islamic
> countries. Many things you do see, such as the extreme or totally
> covering up of women, have nothing to do with the teachings of
> Mohummad, but instead it is the teaching of Islam crossed with local
> customers then those rules bought to the extreme.
Yes, absolutely. There are predominantly muslim countries that are
considerably more moderate also. I think having a religious state
has a lot to do with it (and I doubt that a fundamentalist Christian
state would really not be that much better!)
> For example, if you
> were to look at the likes of Lebanon, the rules are very liberal in what
> women and men can and cannot wear.
Yep. In fact there's a fairly long list of countries that are predominantly
muslim, but less hard line.
> Also, many of you actually need to
> read the koran and realise what the rules really are. They are that
> people, both men and women wear modest clothing, hence, don't look like
> a slut or skank.
Yes, I agree. The lack of human rights in those muslim countries has more
to do with authoritarian *religious* states. The fact that the religion in
question is Islam is more or less inconsequential. There have been times
in our history when there existed Christian religious states, and they
weren't any better.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:29:21 +1200
<snype>
>
> Actually a lot of americans ask this same question... why us?
> (policemen) The corruption is so deep and wide spread that its no
> wonder when an american goes overseas for a vacation that we get spit
> on. Its really sad that we have no control over them. Its like it
> doesn't matter anymore at the voting booth.
> --
> V
After seeing the elections, I would be very scared to be an American
citizen esp. when a court car over ride the peoples will.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why linux is good and a complaint about RedHat
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:32:00 +1200
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > Have you tried SuSE Linux?
>
> No, I haven't.
>
> I've heard it is pretty good, though and I might try it out if I get the
> chance, but I don't have time to set up a new distro and get it exactly
> how I want (which is what I've got now).
>
> I also reccomended RH to a friend (hence the saga about the init scripts
> on RH7) because I'm familiar with RH and could help them very easily (I
> have very little time at the moment).
>
> But what I have found is that once it's set up, it s absoloutely fine.
>
> -Ed
True. I am running SuSE Linux Pro and compared to Redhat Linux 7, it is
a god-send, easy to use, setup, modify, great manuals, 90 days of tech
support and free updates for ever.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:34:22 +1200
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Lance Togar wrote:
> >
> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9bnkg3$a8qhr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > The problem is not that Windows or Office are bad software. They aren't.
> > > > Windows and Office are both fabulous.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes I particularly love the way it regularly crashes just when you are
> > > about to save the past 2 hours work and lose it all - great feature that.
> > ..
> > He said it was fabulous software, NOT idiot proof. Before you start another
> > 2 hours of work, I'd suggest you RTFM.
> > ..
> > ..
>
> There is nothing Fabulous about MS software freezing up in mid-stroke!
> It really is crapware!
>
> --
> V
Well after moving from Windows 95 to Linux I had to teach my self that I
did not need to press the save button after every other word typed. I
can now confidently listen to music, download something off the net and
type up a report in the comfort of knowing my whole system is not going
to go down the toilet in a flash.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:39:10 +1200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Larry E., Prepare to be assimilated.
Link please. I want evidence, please. Also, how many of these sales are
to people simply upgrading, hence, no real advance in the market place.
So, your boast that SQL sales are up 44% is baseless.
A cynic like me could look at it and say, "people are simply upgrading
from the old release because it was so shit, and they can't afford to
migrate from SQL to Oracle, so they, as a result, have to buy the
upgrade to maintain system integrity and reliability".
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:42:16 +1200
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:40:14 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote:
> >
> >>Some WinTroll messages are so obvious that it's pointless to waste
> >>time refutting bogus made up installation horror stories. After
> >>all, isn't that exactly what they're after?
> >
> > Could you bury your head in the sand any deeper, I wonder?
> >
> Somehow I just knew chrisv would be using Windows. Btw Chad is right,
> replying to the same old Wintroll posts is tiresome.
>
> Wintroll: My XYZ soundcard doesnt work, Linux is crap...
> Wintroll: Linux is hard to learn, hard to install and ate my granny, so
> Linux is crap ...
Even the more typical one:
"I bought a copy of Linux, it worked perfectly on my computer, however,
now my car doesn't start, Linux is crap!"
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hard
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:54:37 +1200
Bernd Paysan wrote:
>
> > > Interesting... so given that linux is associated with dirty haired hippies
> >
> > I'm a clean-cut, professionally dressed soldier....
> >
> > > in their parents basements vs MS associated with the largest businesses in
> >
> > ...who moved out of the house at age 17....
>
> Ah, and the photo of micro-soft in the early days looks like 80% of the
> employees are hairy hippies, except a few people like Ballmer, who have
> difficulties to grow their hair at all.
>
Steve Balmer didn't join Microsoft until much later, until then he
worked for the likes of Unilever.
Its rather funny that when all else fails, a wintroll will start
personal insults. At least I can tollerate people with different views.
For example, I don't agree fully with RMS, however, I respect him even
though I may disagree. Its quite humorous that Eric and co. resort to
using the lowest common denominator in society as the bench mark for
which Linux should be aiming for. When Linux fails on a weird
configured machine, with obscure pieces of hardware, some how Linux has
failed. What Eric and co. don't relise is that 99% of drivers in the
linux kernel are written by volunteers, in fact, you may actually find
their could be some ex-microsoft employees who left because of Bill
Gates idiocy. What makes Linux great in the diversity of ideas, when
compared to Microsoft developers which have a one track mind and never
think out side the square. The arrogance displayed as such that they
never acknowledge that many of Windows 2000 features have be derived
from UNIX. The deny the existance of better OS's to the nth degree.
Had Microsoft acknowledged that these OS's do have some great features,
and then incorporated into the OS, whilst acknowledging the original
authors, maybe then you will find that Microsoft software will increase
in quality.
Matthew Gardiner
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:55:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Gardiner says...
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Larry E., Prepare to be assimilated.
>
>Link please. I want evidence, please.
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5669586.html?tag=mn_hd
> Also, how many of these sales are
>to people simply upgrading, hence, no real advance in the market place.
>So, your boast that SQL sales are up 44% is baseless.
>
>A cynic like me could look at it and say, "people are simply upgrading
>from the old release because it was so shit, and they can't afford to
>migrate from SQL to Oracle, so they, as a result, have to buy the
>upgrade to maintain system integrity and reliability".
>
A cynic would conclude that you're burying your head in the sand. A 44% spike in
a deflating market, dot.com collapse and all, cannot be attributed to
"upgrades".
Were you a Lotus executive in a previous life ? :-)
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:00:55 +1200
<snype>.
> >
>
> A cynic would conclude that you're burying your head in the sand. A 44% spike in
> a deflating market, dot.com collapse and all, cannot be attributed to
> "upgrades".
>
> Were you a Lotus executive in a previous life ? :-)
Nope, I wasn't a Lotus executive. I'd be interested who their big
customers were, also, if they were new, what did they migrated from, and
how many were upgrades and how many of them were new sales. It is very
easy to give xyz figures, however, unless you have any basis for you
assumptions, then I suggest that you keep your trap shut.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
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Running SuSE Linux 7.1
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