Linux-Misc Digest #473, Volume #20 Thu, 3 Jun 99 07:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: first/second/third world ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Help! what hostname is that? ("Quiney, Philip (EXCHANGE:HAL02:HM10)")
Re: URGENT. Dead or life. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: first/second/third world (Marco Antoniotti)
Re: Netscape 4.60 evaluation (Ron Gibson)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Ken Williams)
pppd problems (Sir Hoagy of the Marshlands)
Re: SuSE vs Red Hat? (Jacek Pliszka)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Chad Mulligan")
RPM`S from windows to linux?? (Paul)
Lots of FREE STUFF ("Anisha")
Oracle, PHP3, Apache 1.3.6 problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SuSE 6.1 anyone? (Dan Star)
Re: Linux OS on Floppies? (Jim Henderson)
Does Java run well on Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 06:44:36 GMT
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: the unix filesystem is the antithesis of object orientation. each
For files, yes, but the file *system* is quite object oriented in its
design. You could easily imagine the file system being encapsulated in
abstract classes such as these:
class Device { <--- substitute syntax of your choice
public:
pure virtual open(...);
pure virtual close(...);
pure virtual read(...);
pure virtual write(...);
pure virtual seek(...);
pure virtual ioctl(...); // fixed in later O/S :-)
}
class Filesystem {
pure virtual mount(...);
pure virtual unmount(...);
pure virtual check(...);
}
The same for device drivers.
: however, unix files
: are, for better or worse, not oriented objects.
This part is correct.
--
Mark Harrison "Open the floppy disk door, Hal."
AsiaInfo Computer Networks http://usai.asiainfo.com:8080/
Beijing, China / Santa Clara, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Quiney, Philip (EXCHANGE:HAL02:HM10)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help! what hostname is that?
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 07:58:30 +0100
"news.jaring.my" wrote:
>
> well, sorry to say that I finally manage to install Redhat v6. But also
> need to point out that i was a complete newby to linux system. On the first
> booting into the newly installed redhat, it asks for Hostname and password.
I think you will find that it is asking for a username rather than a
hostname.
The only user account created during installation is 'root' which is the
equivalent of 'Administrator'. This account will accept the password
you entered during installation. Don't forget passwords, usernames,
filenames etc are case sensitive.
If this dosen't work then you will have to work around it - but that is
another story. Don't re install - seek help.
Regards
Phil Q
--
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Telephone: +44 (1279) 402363 London Rd, Harlow,
Fax: +44 (1279) 402885 Essex CM17 9NA,
United Kingdom.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: URGENT. Dead or life.
Date: 2 Jun 1999 23:42:43 GMT
In his obvious haste, Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
: : (Pork Pies... Lies)
: : :)
: Try to consider alternative explanations before insults.
*sigh*
I wasn't being insulting. Saying someones been telling porkies is a jokey
way of saying someone got something wrong. I even included a SMILIE for...
sake....
: : : [1] Although for the 3 months that I used SuSE 5.2 in xdm mode I
: : : could have sworn [2] that the consoles were avlbl - but I cant
: : : check it now...
: : They are.
: Ehem. And what version of Suse and in what mode? I only have experience
: of 5.3 and I wouldn't dare say so much as "they are" based on that. Examined
: them all, have we, then!
5.2 yes. Which was what he was referring to.
(Just about to try 6.0 as well)
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From: Marco Antoniotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 03 Jun 1999 10:34:32 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>eloquently scribe:
> : but nowadays people seem to use 'Third World' to describe any
> : developing country.
>
> I think the modern definition is something like.
>
> 1st world. developed, industrial nation.
> 2nd world. developing industrially. Maybe up to 19th > early 20th (c) level.
> 3rd world. Pre-industrial/mostly argrarian country.
> --
The definition originated sometime after WWII
1st world - developed western world with more or less democratic goverments.
2nd world - soviet style socialists nations
3rd world - the rest: which included most of the "backward" nations
for variable (PC or not) definition of "backward".
Cheers
--
Marco Antoniotti ===========================================
PARADES, Via San Pantaleo 66, I-00186 Rome, ITALY
tel. +39 - 06 68 10 03 17, fax. +39 - 06 68 80 79 26
http://www.parades.rm.cnr.it/~marcoxa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Gibson)
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.60 evaluation
Date: 3 Jun 1999 08:44:07 GMT
On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:30:05, Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No I'm not getting rid of RedHat which I still like, I just
> bought a 8.4G hard disk and will reinstall slackware and OS/2 on
> it. I hope OS/2 won't have any problem with the 8.4G hard disk.
It will. You need to get the large drive package to update the
installation disketts. It's an easy download and a no brainer to fix.
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Williams)
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:00:01 GMT
In article <1sg53.638$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Mulligan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Essentially, hobbyists don't have the discipline to do it properly. For
>> > examples look at Disk Druid, and RH 6.0.
>>
>> And that makes Linux unprofessional?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>In a word. Yes! Leaving a bug in a recommended installer program that will
>destroy data is UNPROFESSIONAL!
Exactly, just like Microsoft knows Access97 has a horrid data destorying bug
in it and barely did anything in the begginning when it was discovered. I
lost a weeks worth of data because of it. Microsoft is just as unprofessional
as Linux.
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From: Sir Hoagy of the Marshlands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: pppd problems
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:39:52 -0400
I'm trying to configure pppd manually for my SuSE Linux.
So far, I've had to use the 'kppp' interface, and that's a bit
flaky.
My provider uses PAP authentication. I *thought* I had
everything set right. I was using the command
pppd call <isp>
Here's my 'options' file:
# cat /etc/options
debug
modem
crtscts
+pap
user <username of course>
The <isp> script:
ttyS0 57600 crtscts
connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/chat-isp'
And the 'chat-isp' file:
"" ""
"ost:" "ppp"
"ogin:" "<username>"
"ssword:" "<password>"
"~-^Uppp-~"
Everything *appears* to connect fine until.......well, those
of you who are experienced can try to decipher this, since
I'm at a *total* loss!
(output of /var/log/messages)
Jun 2 15:17:42 anubis2 pppd[2376]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: send (^M)
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: expect (ost:)
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: ^M
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: host:
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: -- got it
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: send (ppp^M)
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: expect (ogin:)
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: ppp^M
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: login:
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: -- got it
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: send (<username>^M)
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: expect (ssword:)
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: <username>^M
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: Password:
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: -- got it
Jun 2 15:17:43 anubis2 chat[2377]: send (??????)
Jun 2 15:17:44 anubis2 chat[2377]: expect (~)
Jun 2 15:17:44 anubis2 chat[2377]: ^M
Jun 2 15:17:44 anubis2 chat[2377]: PPP session from (<ip address>) to
141.218.188.237 beginning....~
Jun 2 15:17:44 anubis2 pppd[2376]: Serial connection established.
Jun 2 15:17:44 anubis2 chat[2377]: -- got it
Jun 2 15:17:45 anubis2 pppd[2376]: Using interface ppp0
Jun 2 15:17:45 anubis2 pppd[2376]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
Jun 2 15:17:45 anubis2 pppd[2376]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <auth pap>
<magic 0x8ddcc2bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jun 2 15:17:45 anubis2 pppd[2376]: rcvd [LCP ConfNak id=0x1 <auth chap
05>]
Jun 2 15:17:45 anubis2 pppd[2376]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 <magic
0x8ddcc2bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jun 2 15:17:45 anubis2 pppd[2376]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 <magic
0x8ddcc2bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jun 2 15:17:47 anubis2 pppd[2376]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 <asyncmap
0x0> <magic 0xae6fe0c9> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jun 2 15:17:47 anubis2 pppd[2376]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 <asyncmap
0x0> <magic 0xae6fe0c9> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Jun 2 15:17:47 anubis2 pppd[2376]: peer refused to authenticate
Jun 2 15:17:47 anubis2 pppd[2376]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "peer
refused to authenticate"]
Jun 2 15:17:47 anubis2 pppd[2376]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <compress
VJ 0f 00> <addr 141.218.188.149>]
Jun 2 15:17:47 anubis2 pppd[2376]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x3]
Jun 2 15:17:47 anubis2 pppd[2376]: Connection terminated.
Jun 2 15:17:47 anubis2 pppd[2376]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
It keeps terminating, over and over.
I've never had any trouble using pppd on the old
Redhat versions, but SuSE is givin' me fits.
Does anyone have an idea or two as to what I might do
in order to get past that 'peer refused to authenticate'?
Note: When I take the "+pap" line out of /etc/ppp/options,
I can connect just fine...I'm even assigned an IP #>
However, I can't ping any address or connect to the outside world.
In short, I'm stuck!
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From: Jacek Pliszka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: SuSE vs Red Hat?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 02:17:38 -0700
On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, DJs Disc wrote:
> SuSE 6.1 Official sells for 29.99+
>
> Redhat 6 Official core sells for 39.95 Official full 79.95
>
> Caldera OL 2.2 Official sells for 32.99+
>
> Now compare the differences
I do not think that someone who cares about $40 difference
would buy an official version.
The prices for official versions are just prices for support
and printed manual. You do not have to buy them - this is
just a convenient option for busy people.
Regards,
Jacek
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Reply-To: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:27:24 -0700
Thomas Parsli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Miguel Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:IsT43.1183$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Chad Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> *NT* afaik is *not* free.
> > > >
> > > > Either is a professional UNIX.
>
> Please tell Walnut Creek that FreeBSD is unprofessional, tell Cisco that
> their worldwide print-system is based on an unprofessional OS (Linux),
> tell Amerada Hess Corp (global oil giant) that their linux-based
> (Beowolf) cluster is unprofessional...
>
> > > I take it your definition of a professional Unix is "one that is not
> > > available for free."
> > >
> > > miguel
>
> > Essentially, hobbyists don't have the discipline to do it properly. For
> > examples look at Disk Druid, and RH 6.0.
>
> And that makes Linux unprofessional?
>
> Thomas
>
In a word. Yes! Leaving a bug in a recommended installer program that will
destroy data is UNPROFESSIONAL!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul)
Subject: RPM`S from windows to linux??
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:38:45 GMT
How do i install rpm`s from my windows partition to my linux
partition, when one doesn`t acknowledge the other exists??
Please feel free to e-mail me direct if you can possibly help!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Oracle, PHP3, Apache 1.3.6 problems
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:17:13 GMT
I've successfully installed PHP3 (mod_php3-3.0.8-1) on Redhat 6.0
w/Apache (1.3.6) . But when I try to use it with Oracle, I get an error
saying ORA_* functions are unsupported. When I tried installing the
tarball, I ran into problems with Apache but PHP3 seem to work ok.
PHP3 works fine by itself but does not talk to Oracle. Am I missing
something here? My guess is the Oracle functions are not getting
loaded. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.
-Raj
Fatal error: Call to unsupported or undefined function ora_logon()
in /home/httpd/html/oracle.php3 on line 12
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From: Dan Star <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE 6.1 anyone?
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:44:26 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can't SUSE be downloaded over the NET? I believe that this is a
requirement of the GPL.
--Dan
"Anthony J. Gabrielson" wrote:
>
> You can always get one of those $1.89 specials when they come out if you
> don't want to either spend $35 or download the portions you need.
>
> Anthony
>
> On Mon, 17 May 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Is there anyone willing to lend me their SuSE CDs to make a copy? I
> > purchased version 5.3, but I would like to upgrade. Of course I will pay
> > shipping. I live in Pennsylvania.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > bf
> >
> >
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From: Jim Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux OS on Floppies?
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:39:44 -0600
If you have an existing network, you can use RedHat 6.0's ftp/http/nfs
installation methods to install from the Internet using a single
floppy. From what I recall, though, this does not support a ppp
adapter.
If not, you might look at trinux, DLX, Doslinux, FloppyX, SmallLinux, or
any of a few others available that are small enough to fit on a few
floppies as a way to get started. Some of these have ppp support in
them and could - in theory - be used to do a full installation of
another distribution.
Over a 26.4 dialup (I hate my phone line), the full RedHat 6
installation took about 10 hours - be prepared to run it overnight.
Jim
--
Jim Henderson
Novell Support Connection SysOp - http://support.novell.com/forums
Homepage at http://www.bigfoot.com/~jhenderson (email instructions
located here)
Please note that as an NSC SysOp, I do not provide support for Novell
products on a personal basis - if you need help with a Novell product,
please post a reply in the public newsgroup or visit the Novell support
forums at the URL above.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Does Java run well on Linux?
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:12:36 GMT
Could you share your experience with me?
Java programs dont run well on my windows 95 PC, they are slow and cause
my system to hang. My PC has a 486 CPU w/ 64 MB RAM.
I would like to learn Java programming. On this old
486 PC, i am wodering if it would be better to use Linux.
Please advise. Thank you.
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