dep wrote:

> On Friday 14 September 2001 03:13, Richard Thompson wrote:
>
> | This list, and its progenitor, provides forums for some of the most
> | articuate, intelligent and well respected minds in the linux
> | community today. There is a wealth of collective knowledge here
> | that could be put to many uses - including helping rid the world of
> | the twin evils of intollerance and selfrighteousness.
>
> there are worse things than either of these. drop by and i'll take
> you downtown and show you one

> There's no need to show me the hole, thank you.  I wasn't commenting on holes, only 
>the people
> who make them.  Restraint in speech does not necessarily equal tolerance in action.

>
> | Evil on the scale we have recently witnessed requires money - lots
> | of it.  It requires organization, support, dedication and lots and
> | lots of money.  Any more, money, on this scale at least, requires
> | an electronic presence.   I am certain that there are those here
> | who know how to find that presence.  I am just as certain that
> | there are those here who know how to make it stop working.
>
> there are people in jail for having taken it upon themselves to
> undertake this sort of thing.

Yes, there are, that's absolutely true.  There are also people working for legitimate,
government sanctioned agencies who do this for a living.  You could be one of those, 
if you
chose to.

>
>
> | Racist cracks about "diaperheads", and "sew him up alive in a
> | gutted sow and leave the lot in the desert sun to dry" rhetoric
> | borne of anger and frustration is likely a necessary part of the
> | healing process, but its ultimate profitability is questionable.
>
> how is either of the above racist? tell an iranian he's of the same
> race as an iraqi and, in your final moments, you'll learn what *real*
> racism is.

"Racism" or "culturally insensitive remarks" or "senselessly intollerant ethnic 
perjoratives" -
fill in the blank.  The meaning was clear enough - people say and do things things out 
of anger
and frustration that get the wrong people hurt.  It is thoughtless, wrong and stupid  
to demean
the good with the evil because of an accident of birth

>
>
> | There is evil aplenty in the world to oppose - find it, shut it
> | down.  Deprive evil of its cover, make it wonder if the wire
> | transfer went through, or what the home page of the fund raising
> | web site in Hamburg will say this morning or how it is that its
> | email got re-routed to the New York Times.
>
> these guys do not get their funding via paypal. they're supported by
> saudia, by iraq, by syria, and by others. we are now saying to those
> countries: shut them down or we'll shut you down, and right now we
> don't especially care which it is, but you very much do care, because
> we can crush you, and will.
>

This is wrong.  Bin Ladin is a businessman, pal.  He is worth millions on his own.  He 
has fund
raising and business interests world wide.  Just as the IRA has collected many 
millions of
dollars from the tenements of the eastern U.S., and the PLO made the same from the 
slums of
western Europe, this man, and his ilk, make major dollars from the nickles, pennies 
and dollars
contributed by disaffected and just plain pissed off people living all over the world. 
 State
sponsored terrorism exists, but without a mass of people from which to draw support 
and dollars
for the long haul every shift in the political winds would be the end of that 
particular
terrorist - and they don't just go away that easily.  Even if it were true that state 
sponsored
terrorism was the sole, or even the most important, source of funding, it must have 
electronic
access to the world.  It can be found and it can be cut off.

- Richard
--
Richard Thompson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

How many M$ software engineers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
None, the darkness is actually an undocumented security feature.


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