By five obvious sides, I meant the Ptolemais crew, the Trinities, and the three 
superpowers (who, while working together, are merely in an alliance of 
convenience for the moment).  I'm not saying that one of them won't drop out 
all of a sudden.  The Trinities are the most obvious candidate for that.  But 
at the moment, we've got five obvious distinct "sides" to the conflict.

 

Wang does represent a potential asset to the Trinities.  No, she can't send 
firepower to aid them if they get in trouble.  But her network of agents could 
provide valuable information to the Trinities that would allow them to pick and 
choose targets, or possibly figure out what's really going on in the world if 
Ragna chooses to abandon them (which I suspect he will).  It's entirely 
possible that they'll realize that Ragna has betrayed them, and then use data 
acquired from Wang to locate Ragna and kill him.  And whether or not they've 
been played for fools, they carried out their missions because they believed in 
the cause.  Even if Ragna chooses to abandon them, they still see themselves as 
having a goal to achieve.

 

And while the superpowers are using their mobile suits against CB, we've yet to 
see anything that would prevent them from using the mobile suits against each 
other should they decide to do so.  Admittedly, that would be a foolish 
decision.  And the super powers had managed to avoid direct military 
confrontations even before CB forced cooperation.  But there's nothing ruling 
it out as of yet.

 

I'm sure Ragna will die soon as well.  I don't know what will cause his death 
(I'd personally finger whichever faction Ribbon really works for when they 
cause all Hell to break loose).  But I don't think he's fulfilled his entire 
plot purpose yet.  He's currently the only link between Kinue's investigation 
and CB's problems.  So I suspect he'll stay alive long enough for Setsuna to 
pick up on the link through Saji.

 

RE - Corner in Azadistan

 

What you're saying doesn't make much sense, though.  CB doesn't really need to 
have its image wrecked.  They've already done that themselves to a large 
extent.  Having CB show up and shoot up both sides of the conflict wouldn't 
really have changed peoples' opinions of CB, imo, since CB had already done 
that in the past (in Ceylon, for instance).  It was noted earlier that the 
construction of the solar array system caused huge economic problems in the 
Middle East, and the UN has embargoed the international oil trade which 
effectively destroyed the economies of the Middle Eastern nations.  Personally 
I wouldn't be surprised if there really is a group in place that wants to keep 
the Middle East unstable for currently unrevealed reasons.  Also, Shirin, who 
appears to be the single sharpest political analyst in the series, thought that 
"good PR for the UN" wasn't much of a reason for the UN to get involved in 
Azadistan.  So I'm inclined to discount that as a reason.

 

You say that Setsuna probably won't be back in Japan for a while.  On the 
contrary, I think that there might be some very good reasons for Setsuna to 
return to "civilization".  Wang appears to be about ready to break her contact 
with the Ptolemais.  She's been the one providing the Earth-side agent network 
so far.  Veda's not being used because of the fact that it's been compromised 
by Nene Trinity.  That means that the Ptolemais crew has only very limited 
information about what's going on at ground level, and that means that they're 
going to need to send some people down to take a look around.  And though as 
Core points out the Gundam Meisters don't generally make the best agents, 
they're really the only people that the Ptolemais can send.

 

 

Billy can modify Graham's Overflag, but the basic problem remains.  The 
Overflag uses a conventional propulsion system, and that causes the unhealthy 
levels of G-Force stress on the pilot that we saw when Graham went up against 
the Trinities.  Further improvements to the Overflag will likely only make the 
situation worse (the Overflag Graham pilots appears to be good enough that if 
you stuck a mobile doll system in the cockpit, it might very well be able to 
beat a Gundam Meister in a duel).  The only way around that seems to be the GN 
Drives, which appear to use some sort of anti-gravity system to move (which 
negates the G-Forces - maybe GN stands for 'Gravity Null'?).

 

I believe Ian stated that the counterfeit GN Drives were missing the shielding 
that the normal GN Drives had.  Unfortunately, if they're emitting some sort of 
harmful radiation, then Soma and Sergei are now being affected by whatever it 
is.

 

 

As far as the saber is concerned, we know it can hold a charge for at least a 
short period of time (since Graham was able to use it after he disarmed his 
opponent).  So it should in theory be possible to charge it up before a battle. 
 This would allow a pilot armed with it to get at least several critical 
seconds worth of use out of it before the charge was used up.  But before this 
can happen, Billy will need to spend some time examining it.

 

 

 

junior




 

Subject : RE: [gundam] Gundam 00 Episode 20
Date : Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:21:56 +0000
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From: "Joseph Riggs" 
> 
> 
> 
> So now we've got five obvious sides and possibly more unobvious ones. 

I can think of three obvious side, with rest are consider "free agents". 


> Trinities - I'm guessing that their mission at the end of the episode was an 
> attempt to set them up and get rid of them. Or in other words, they've 
> officially been abandoned by Ragna, except as target practice for the 
> superpowers' new mobile suits. Presumeably the fact that Wang is allying with 
> them means that they're going to be around for a while. Of course, if Ragna 
> cuts them loose, then they might end up working directly for Wang (who 
> apparently has her own rather extensive network of agents). 

They are more like pawns in the whole thing, as they have been just following 
ordered, but if the rumors/spoilers are correct, their "leader" might be 
heading toward some misfortunes, and they themselves might be in trouble, as 
they lack the support from basically everyone. Wang cannot really help them, 
since she is too far away for the most part, and as we all know, by the time 
you need the help, you are basically done already. 


> And the UN - whose military is composed of three different nations that are 
> cooperating against a combined threat (which merely means that one of them 
> may 
> choose to backstab the other two at an opportune moment...) 

They are just the "front" for the three power bloc military joint operations 
from the looks of it - each side get to pick 10 pilots to pilot the GN-X, but 
they can only be used for against CB. If this doesn't suggested that they are 
basically being used by someone, I don't know how much more obvious they need 
to make it... 


> Ragna Harvey appears to be working with the Thrones and appears to have 
> secretly 
> provided the superpowers with the new mobile suits (it's obvious he's 
> transporting them - the question is whether he's the one that secretly stuck 
> them in Antarctica and tipped off the superpowers). He's probably working 
> with 
> Corner, although that isn't completely certain. The big question mark is what 
> the two want and what the two get out of the current mess. And who exactly is 
> he that he can pretty much guarantee that Ali gets assigned one? 

Seems like this is supposedly the one that I think CB is trying to drive out, 
as it seems to have a lot of resources to do a lot of things, and they seems to 
be profiting from various war activities. It wouldn't surprised me one bit to 
expect Harvey be the one that finance the whole thing while Corner is the one 
that steal the stuff from CB. I think the rumor/spoiler from the net make sense 
that he will meet an "unfortunate" end pretty soon, as I think he pretty much 
serve his purpose and the ones using him need to "clean house." 


> I'm still trying to figure out what Corner got out of starting the solar 
> energy 
> project in Azadistan and then scuttling it. Is there a particular reason that 
> the Middle East needs to be destabilized? Everyone's favorite Azadistani 
> advisor was apparently right to be suspicious of his motives. But even she 
> couldn't figure out what he was up to. 

Think it's advertisement for UN - with this, the UN certainly are seen in a 
good light, and with the UN considered the front for the GN-X operation, I 
think the ad certainly works well... Besides, if Setsuna isn't one of the kids 
trained by Ali, they would've never been able to stop the civil war, and it 
will certain cause problem for CB, since that is one conflict I doubt the CB 
can do anything about other than wiping out both sides, which would just make 
them look worse than they already are. 


I don't see Setsuna meeting up with Saji in season one, as the situation is bad 
enough that Setsuna and company would more likely to be on the ship waiting on 
information and only go back when they are actually doing some sort of 
operation. If the creator is worth his salt, I would assume that is the reason 
why Saji and Setsuna are neighbors... 

> Graham's wingman is concerned that Graham won't be able to beat a Gundam in 
> just 
> the Overflag. News Flash! Graham has ALREADY beaten a Gundam in the Overflag! 
> It may only have been a small victory, but it's pretty obvious who came out 
> on 
> top in the matchup. Hint - the winner is generally the guy who's NOT running 
> away minus an arm... Though admittedly, Graham could have beaten him a lot 
> worse if he'd had a mobile suit equipped with a GN Drive, instead of one that 
> caused internal bleeding due to the extreme G-Forces involved. 

You have to say if you know how the things work like we do, you know it is 
actually not a bad move because the GN-X came from "mysterious" sources, so who 
knows what is really in that thing. With Billy helping out modifying the 
Overflag, I can see it being probably something that can actually rival the 
GN-X at least. 


Ian mentioned something funky about those GN Drive missing something - maybe 
it's the "safety" device that is missing... 


> Billy's busy studying the specs on the new GN Drives. The saber that Graham 
> captured has been recovered, but isn't being examined at the moment (since 
> Billy's busy studying the new mobile suits). Minor plot point, but it could 
> be 
> important down the road. 

Right now I think the energy problem is worse, as the beam saber cannot help 
them if there is nothing to drive them... 

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