Esther and all,
Good response here Esther. A bit naive, but a good response none
the less. Keep them coming!! But you should know that such proposed
CLOSED meetings being proposed have wide and damaging ramifications
on the nature and reputation of those proposing them and do not as
a result engender trust. And this is just one of many ramifications that
has occurred and many others are of course possible....
As to bring things into the light, one must first recognize that there
is darkness, before one can know to shine a light....
Esther Dyson wrote:
> Thank you, Jay. Keep asking reasonable questions!
>
> I'd also like to remind folks that secret deals are pretty tough to enforce
> in the face of open meetings, open discussion, and the like. Even if you
> believed (and I do not) that some nefarious plot was about to be hatched on
> the evening of jan 21, what good would it do the plotters if they couldn't
> keep the parties in line thereafter? ICANN will be looking at the SO
> proposals as submitted, not at (nonexistent) secret deals behind them. The
> accepted proposals will comprise the bylaws, membership criteria, voting
> structures, review processes, etc. etc. that the SOs and their members (and
> ICANN) will have to adhere to - with everyone watching.
>
> I'm not saying that the whole world is squeaky-clean and bright, but we are
> subjecting it to an awful lot of sunshine. Don't curse the darkness; come
> shine a light.
>
> Esther Dyson
>
> At 05:52 AM 10/01/99 -0500, Jay Fenello wrote:
> >
> >[cc: list edited]
> >
> >At 1/10/99, 01:15 AM, Michael Sondow wrote:
> >>Einar Stefferud a écrit:
> >>> So, we would appreciate it if you would belay your crusade of making
> >>> false statements about what ORSC is or is not doing.
> >>
> >>I made no false statements. The ORSC is attending a closed meeting from
> >>which the end-users and others have been excluded, after claiming to
> >>repudiate closed processes. The ORSC has the choice to refuse to go and
> >>demand that the meeting(s) in Washington be open. If you don't do this, it
> >>must be because you are looking for your advantage, despite the fact that
> >>others, myself included, are being denied the chance to participate.
> >
> >
> >Hi Michael,
> >
> >Before I describe where I agree with you, let
> >me describe where we disagree. You appear to
> >believe that every single meeting in an open
> >process must be open.
> >
> >I believe that there *can* be closed meetings
> >in an open process, if they are part of a *fair*
> >process. And while I expect to learn more about
> >this closed meeting before it actually occurs,
> >until I know otherwise, I will assume that it
> >is part of a fair process. That's why I am
> >currently planning on attending.
> >
> >With that said, I agree with your concerns
> >about the process involved in the upcoming
> >closed and open meetings.
> >
> >Michael, many of the leaders of Open-RSC have
> >been involved in this debate a long time --
> >we've seen games before, a lot of them.
> >
> >That's why I wrote the following inquiry on
> >another distribution list (edited to protect
> >private email status):
> >
> >
> >At 1/8/99, 04:17 PM, Jay Fenello wrote:
> >>
> >>Since you've been through this, maybe you can
> >>explain why XXXXX was offerred a role as a
> >>"contributing organization," while BWG, ORSC,
> >>the DNRC, etc. were not?
> >>
> >>This is a particularly interesting question,
> >>given that XXXXXX was admittedly *not*
> >>involved with the planning of this event.
> >>
> >>What exactly are you "contributing"?
> >>
> >>Jay.
> >
> >
> >Remember, nine organizations are designated as
> >a "contributing organization." Each of these
> >organizations get to invite three people to a
> >closed meeting. In turn, these attendees *can*,
> >depending on the process rules for the closed
> >meeting, impact the entire event.
> >
> >I don't believe that anything is going on here,
> >but asking questions like this is required to
> >keep the process honest.
> >
> >So, once again, I suggest that we give the
> >meeting organizers a chance to describe their
> >event. If there are problems with their process,
> >we should be prepared to help them fix it. If
> >their process is sound, then let's have a great
> >meeting and get this DNSO off the ground.
> >
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >
> >Jay Fenello
> >President, Iperdome, Inc.
> >404-943-0524 http://www.iperdome.com
> >
> >
>
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