Trying to work with ICANN is a double waste of any participant's time,
unless you are one of the people on the inside track.

First, if you are trying to change the status quo,
you are engaging in a fight with them.
they really know how to fight and win.
So, good luck, but don't ask me to any help that will waste my time and effort.

Second, everything you do with them, adds energy and power to ICANN as it is.
They take your energy and convert it to their advantage.  They feed 
off the people who are working to change them, while yielding nothing 
to their opponents.

I learned that lesson some years ago in a DNSO meeting in Washington, 
where I volunteered to lend support if there was some way to help 
them do things right.
First they asked for my patience, which was to say, "wait till our 
freshly poured concrete is hardened, and then we will let you try to 
change it".
so I immediately said, no, I cannot give you patience!

So, they asked me to work with their new PR agency (Ogilvie - sp?).
I worked with them for a few weeks, until I found that they were 
taking my advice to learn what They were not interested in doing 
things right, only with fooling the public better.

And that was the last time I did anything with them or for them, or 
against them.  it became clear that any energy I might put into 
working with them in order to influence them was going to be used 
against me and against my goals.

I have now watched many people doing their best to get ICANN to 
change its ways, and things only get worse.  They are still taking 
all input energy and using it to buttress their position, so I 
learned to withhold my energy from them.

I now see that others have finally gotten to the same conclusion and 
are now also uttering "stef-speak".

So, I don't care what you do with your energy, since it belongs to 
you, but do not ask me to put mine where you choose to put yours.

But mine is going to be dedicated to working around the damage of 
ICANN, not to trying to change ICANN, or to fight against ICANN. 
Just to let ICANN do its thing, and work around what ever that is.

They make it easy for us because they are exclusive, and we are inclusive.

Inclusiveness in the Internet has vastly greater value than 
exclusivity, as long as the inclusive game also has coherence, which 
is required to earn trust from the community.  So, we need to work on 
building trust by becoming coherent providers of the Inclusive Root 
Service.

This means including ICANN's root plus our own, and remaining 
coherent in the process.

We need to find ways to stop fighting, both with ICANN and with each other.

I am going to just wait until this comes about before I commit to any plans.

Onward;-)...\Stef


At 23:36 +0200 10/09/01, Marc Schneiders wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, at 17:32 [=GMT-0400], Michael Sondow wrote:
>
>  > Einar Stefferud wrote:
>  > >
>  > > In my view, ICANN is no longer worthy of further attention,
>  > > as their deliberate intention is to disenfranchise all of us.
>  >
>  > I agree with you totally. The title of my posting was intended as
>  > sarcasm, as the content of Sims' email indicates. They have
>  > eliminated the membership, the principal matter which allowed people
>  > to think there was some chance of working with ICANN. That illusion
>  > has, by Sim's admission, now been shattered forever.
>
>I fail to see what is wrong with a two track approach: (1) Trying to
>change things within ICANN, shouting loud when it does dirty tricks,
>and (2) explore new ways. Unfortunately ICANN is way more clear than
>any alternative I know of.
>
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