Those who can do and those who can't teach!
I already mentioned in the group the responsibility for any
professional designer to exercise due diligence, comply with implied
contractual terms of the Trade Practices Act Fitness for purpose and
quality.
How can teachers keep up unless they are developers they will not know
anything from courses which are far behind.
It would be irresponsible teaching to not involve industry specialists
but you have to pay them a casual lecturers rate.
Tim
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On 26/01/2007, at 12:51 PM, Jermayn Parker wrote:
I was enjoying this little discussion so i decided to put together
some of our points and views in my blog
http://germworks.net/blog/2007/01/26/attention-web-lecturers
im updating it at the moment so please bear with any little
problems.....
On 1/25/07, Lucien Stals < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:As a lecturer
turned practitioner, I can completely support Jermayns'
comments.
One of the hardest things in teaching web development is finding
decent text
books. By the time most get into print, they are already 2 years out
of
date. And few come close to standards based development. I'm sure
there are
more than a few texts still in circulation which heartily advocate
the FONT
tag.
If academics could be helped to understand, or pointed at good
resources, as
Ben suggests, this would go a long way towards helping the next
generation
of developers do the right thing.
It's all about education.
Lucien.
On 25/1/07 12:50 PM, "Ben Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I also think schools are an area that needs a shake up. at my uni
they were
>> still teaching inline style sheets and tablular layout in first
and second
>> year....
>
> I think this is a key issue for the industry. Realistically we're
not
> going to eradicate non-standards shops, nor are we about to get
> clients to suddenly recognise certification etc.
>
> What we can do is focus on winning over lecturers - probably by
> offering to help them! There are precious few standards-based
beginner
> tutorials out there. I regularly see threads asking for them, but
> can't recall a really good one to send... although I think someone
was
> writing one?
>
> Methodology and habit start forming at university - if we can catch
> incoming developers at that level, there'll be a very positive
flow-on
> effect.
>
> A big part of it would be to stop people treating web as an add-on
to
> programming courses (literally covered in a lecture or two); or
> treated as part of art/multimedia courses (which often means being
> taught to create flash).
>
> It needs to be taught as a serious discipline. I don't see why you
> couldn't teach students the basics in a semester. Get the
foundations
> in - semantics, structure, basic accessibility and usability, XHTML,
> basic CSS. Then have further units on advanced layout, progressive
> enhancement and so on.
>
> cheers,
>
> Ben
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