Lee, here is a url to the actual current 'brief' filed publically for the issue.. it proves the FWC is listening to us.. http://myfwc.com/boating/Docs/VesselManagementBrief.pdf
To be honest I can well understand why some landowners have a fit over the derelict/abadoned boats.. My parents owned a house until 2005 on a canal in a upper class, for crystal river, neighborhood. The dock directly from thiers had a sailboat, irwin 42 that, at one point was beautiful..but for 20 yrs it sat right on the dock.. never used.. allowed to slowly deteriate.. the owners never built on the lot, just left the boat there. His brother lived a 1/2 mile away.. occasionaly checked on the boat.. it was, by the time it was dragged out of there a derelict by definition.. I would not call it seaworthy anymore.. Can you imaginebeing 30 feet from something like that... Now mulitiply that by 6+ more.. in some places.. one bayou I can think of in ST Pete, or the Seaplane basin in TAmpa off davis islands.. older boats, with liveaboard, or not, owners who allow the boat to deteriorate.. or who use it because it is a cheap place to live and they have almost no money.. A lot of what is going on, makes a LOT of sense to me.. This whole anchoring thing is a way to make the laws uniform and to stop one city from saying 24 hours, another 72 and still another you cannot anchor in all of Sarasota Bay.... well Sarasota Bay, my freind extends all the way up into Manatee County, where the City of Sarasota has NO jursidiction.. its a mess we need uniform laws.. laws that anyone can read and understand.. I truly believe the FWC is working to that end and to help us boaters.. Another thought. Most water cops are good guys..there is always that one jerk.. we have all seen that anywhere.. I try my best to be as nice as possible..but at the same time I know my rights.. Maritime law is a murky beast.. most water cops are not boaters.. some are.. and some realize that there is a wide gulf between water and land laws.. So comment please... go to the FWC website and read the proposed laws, and comment.. don't get invovled .. then all I have to say is that whatever you get you deserve.. harsh yes... but then I also say, 'don't vote? then don't bitch" as well.. Contrary to what some my think and say, we DO live in a democracy... we ALL have a voice.. we all should and have a duty to comment and get involved in our government.. Lee come to Florida our SW Fla/Keys sailing is simply delightful.. I will leave a message at the border to let you in... (grins). 'bella.. someplace cold today.. On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:36 PM, LA Licata <[email protected]> wrote: > Norm, > > I have to ask: Have these definitions be defined somewhere? > > I understand that the terms have been thrown about, but have not found > where they are defined. > > Per http://www.southwindsmagazine.com/resources/newfloridaanchoringlaw.htm > > which says, in part: > Quote > In simple wording, this means that communities cannot restrict anchoring > rights of non-liveaboard boaters outside mooring fields. This means people > cruising, whether on their way somewhere or just gunkholing around. The > essence of this revolves around who is a non-liveaboard, and who isn't. > Statute 327.02 paragraph (17) of the Florida Statutes defines "liveaboard > vessel" (fishing vessels are excluded): > (a) Any vessel used solely as a residence; OR > (b) Any vessel represented as a place of business, a professional > or other commercial > enterprise, or a legal residence. > One maritime attorney suggested liveaboards call themselves "full-time > cruisers"—to place the burden on the local community to prove who is and > isn't a liveaboard. This is not just semantics, as a fine line often exists > between who is a cruiser and who is a liveaboard. > Unquote. > > No where do I see where you need to own property ashore. > > To be honest, I do plan to engage a maritime attorney when i get close to > any state that has these restrictions to ensure that I fully understand my > rights and their (police) limitations. > > Lee > > On Feb 15, 2009, at 1858, Norm of Bandersnatch wrote: > > The recent developments in the Florida anchoring situation in encouraging. > > ...."Livaboards" are defined by law as those folks on a boat who DO NOT > own or > rent property ashore (and therefore, not coincidentally, DO NOT pay > property taxes), while "full time cruisers" are folks on a boat who DO own > or rent property ashore (and therefore, not coincidentally, DO pay property > taxes). That's why cops often ask us if we have a residence ashore when > they come alongside... > _______________________________________________ > Liveaboard mailing list > [email protected] > To adjust your membership settings over the web > http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > To subscribe send an email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > To search the archives > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html > -- It's not about the boat it's sails or rigging. It's about the freedom. http://www.slideshare.net/jacko91/these-are-my-credentials/ http://fisherhouse.org/ http://www.specialops.org/ "We are the guardians of a great faith. 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