>
> I just want us to be constructively honest here.
Being constructive is getting these working. Reporting that they are
broken is a good first step, but please understand the difference.
Construct means to "build or erect" which is what we need more of.
Many of them are unusable
>
It would probably be better to specify here as "unusable" can be literal or
opinion. There are over 200 effects now so "many" could be "5" or it could
be "100". If you are aware of broken LADSPA plugins (in the literal
sense) please file a bug report so that they can be disabled until they are
fixed. There are certainly duplicates and we'd entertain a better
organizing method if someone wanted to provide some recommendations/mockup.
> A whole class are just basic stuff cloned. They are not "fantastic".
>
I'm not sure if you've read the source code for these but it's not trivial
<https://github.com/swh/ladspa>. The fact that some of these still work 12
years after they were written *is fantastic* and *reason for celebration :)*,
but these plugins can do many things. They may be clunky and there may be
bugs but they can reverb, delay, compress, distort, warm, filter, eq and
much more. They may not be commercial grade, but they are completely free,
built-in and provide out-of-the-box capabilities that tends of thousands of
composers use and enjoy. They ARE fantastic and we're very lucky to have
them. :)
> Ladspa collection lacks a proper reverb and zynreverb is the only
> non-convolution reverb on linux that can offer quality cathedral spaces.
> Phaser and flanger from zyn are also extremely good. If it is possible to
> have internal lmms effects, it would be good, but we had that discussion
> already.
>
Thanks for the explanation. That'a good argument to include them by default
once the bugs are addressed.
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