If you read my thread u will realise its not in response to your thread
Sanga Collins <[email protected]> wrote: >Why u so mad? > > > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Cavin Mugarura <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Migration to Linux has to based on common sense >> >> I even wonder why this is an issue >> >> If an organization can't afford windows license fees then its better to >> migrate rather than use pirated windows >> >> Some organizations are not resource constrained so the motivation could be >> performance at the server level >> >> Other organizations have specialized Software that might only run on windows >> or Mac (don't tell me about wine) >> >> Isn't this supposed to be common sense >> >> No one has suggested all computers in the world should run on Linux >> >> Of course, some people on this list would like that but that will never >> happen >> >> Free speech is good, common sense is good too >> >> Sanga Collins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Marcus you hit the nail right on the head. As much of Linux fan that I am, >>> it's just a tool and it's not for everything. I have managed to convince my >>> company and our clients to switch to Linux back end. We are rolling out >>> zentyal master/slave setup for 30 sites and using zimbra for all the >>> companies email. It took almost three years of begging. How did I finally >>> do it? I dressed it up as windows. Installed outlook with imap settings >>> funambol to sync contacts and hid the Linux environment from the desktop >>> users. >>> >>> It's still early but so far it's going well >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:59 AM, "Markus A. Wipfler" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Interesting if you join a company you can convince them to migrate to >>>>> Linux >>>> >>>> Why would you do that??? Imagine you are the new sys admin at xyz company >>>> in charge of backend services running enterprise microsoft software like >>>> Exchange, Active Directory, Sharepoint which are used by hundreds or >>>> thousands of users. >>>> Now since you love linux and believe that linux is like a super patch that >>>> fixes any computer problem, you suggest to management that you want to >>>> migrate all backend services to linux. I am not saying its impossible but >>>> is it feasible? You can drive your car with your feet but it does't >>>> necesarily make it a good idea. What I am saying is that just using Linux >>>> for Linux sake is plain stupid. >>>> >>>> Remember a couple of years ago Germany's government tried to make a switch >>>> to Linux (backend + frontend) which sadly failed and now they are back to >>>> running windows. The problem in their case basically boiled down to 3 >>>> issues: >>>> >>>> - hardware support (too many printers, scanners, etc.. just didn't work >>>> when they where plugged into linux desktops / laptops and the amount of >>>> support and time required to make them work) >>>> - interoperability (its hard migrating away from proprietary software, >>>> especially Ms Office / Exchange combo) >>>> - training and user adoption (reluctancy of staff to use new, unfamiliar >>>> software, cost / time of training staff) >>>> >>>> As far as I can see the best chance linux (AND Linux Admins) have here in >>>> Uganda is in the market of SoHo and SME's. Here Linux could be used as a >>>> cost effective and even superior alternative to propriatary software with >>>> a relatively low learning curve for end users. (Employes still use >>>> outlook, ms office but with linux backend, firewall, router, directory >>>> service, intra/extra net,etc…) >>>> >>>> IMHO Linux will always be a niche OS. Why blindly advocate it to >>>> everyone? It reminds me of some saved people I know, who believe everyone >>>> else is going straight to hell if you don't join them. LOL. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Markus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you fail to do so, blame yourself >>>>> >>>>> In my local language there's a saying "bamusella omukatale yatongana >>>>> noruguddo" literally translated as "he was charged high prices at the >>>>> market and he is now quarrelling with the road >>>>> >>>>> If you are referring to job posting s advertising for Microsoft skills >>>>> that's another issue >>>>> >>>>> This issue is actually a side show >>>>> What is more important is to promote Linux on a bigger scale in >>>>> government, schools, private sector and non profits >>>>> >>>>> Of course outfits like LUG have tried but with dismal results >>>>> >>>>> Sometime back I wrote how entities like LUG, IT companies can work >>>>> together and promote Linux but I guess my proposal fell on deaf ears >>>>> >>>>> LUG meetup s are good but most times when I look at the agenda, it s not >>>>> different from a pastor preaching to a choir >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Stephen S. Musoke" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ronald, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You are wrong. Windows flourishes because it is already at the desktop, >>>>>> so >>>>>> is much easier to integrate at the Server end. Truth be told, Windows is >>>>>> becoming better at the backend and is also very good at integrating with >>>>>> Linux/Unix (MSFT/Novelle) partnership. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You will not find a truly homogenous environment, you will find Windows >>>>>> for >>>>>> File/Print/Active Directory and *nix at the database and application >>>>>> server >>>>>> levels, and in virtualized applicatons. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>>>> Of >>>>>> Ronald Kato Odongo >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:37 AM >>>>>> To: Uganda Linux User Group >>>>>> Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be be up to us interested in Linux administration to go out and >>>>>> offer it as an alternative to Windows. Windows is flourishing due in >>>>>> part to >>>>>> ignorance about Linux technologies. If we pushed Linux harder into the >>>>>> market, then the market would realize it's enormous advantage over >>>>>> windows. >>>>>> Sometimes the best products are ignored because not enough has been put >>>>>> in >>>>>> promoting them. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Robert Muwanga <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On a curious note, I have seen a lot of companies that utilise Microsoft >>>>>> Server backend systems but unless it is the big telco boys (and banks) I >>>>>> haven't heard of an interest in Linux for either backend or front end in >>>>>> Uganda in particular. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, the question is, what's people's opinion with regards on the demand >>>>>> for >>>>>> Linux in Uganda? is it rising? is it shrinking or stagnant? And in >>>>>> effect, >>>>>> what is the demand for Linux administrators in the country? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>>> >>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>>> >>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>>>>> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >>>>>> any way. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks and Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ronald Kato Odongo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>>> >>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>>> >>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>>>>> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them >>>>>> in any way. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>> >>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>> >>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>> >>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>>>> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >>>>> any way. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>> >>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>> [email protected] >>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>> >>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>> >>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>>> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >>>> any way. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>> >>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: [email protected] >>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>> >>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >>> any way. >> _______________________________________________ >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: [email protected] >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >> any way. >_______________________________________________ >The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: [email protected] >Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >attachments if any). 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