Hehe good idea, however I somehow have a feeling that the smartly dressed ones among us are few and far in-between. Perhaps we should try to persuade one of the linux chix…..
Regards, -- Markus On Feb 2, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Simon Vass wrote: > Zentyal or Zimbra over Exchange + AD any day of the week and twice on > Sundays. In terms of sheer time spent administering each system, and > therefore to me the TCO or TCA. I still administer both, even with Powershell > which does at least allow the option of headless delivery for Windows and > Exchange (wonder where they got that idea from). To the multi gig updates > just to run the platform! > > Zentyal and Zimbra both do a great job of bringing together > Postfix+Dovecot+Web Interface+Database store+LDAP, Zentyal does without > having to anywhere near a tarbell/deb file if you don't want. > > We do need to do a whole lot more to promote Linux both in the front and back > office, far more people ask about and have heard of Linux than a few years > ago. In my day dreams I imagine one day it might be fun to do some TV/Web > programs around Linux, but so don't have the time. > > I see Albert Mucunguzi has a Tech spot on UBC maybe we could suggest sending > our more smartly dressed members along to talk about free and open source > software? > > > Simon Vass > Managing Director > E-Tech Uganda Ltd > > http://www.etech.ug > Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 > email: [email protected] > skype: e-techservicedesk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Markus A. Wipfler" <[email protected]> > To: "Uganda Linux User Group" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, 2 February, 2012 1:44:25 PM > Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators? > > > > > Mostly true. Windows is APITA and fugly. But seriously would you rather > administer Active Dir + Exchange or try to move your whole Org to SAMBA + > LDAP + courier/dovecot, etc…. Of course you could look at stuff like zimbra > but if you want enterprise level functionality you will still have to pay for > it. Also there is always the compatibility issue with legacy applications and > windows only hardware drivers, not to mention staff retraining. > > > > > I love linux and a great part of my work is spend in a terminal window but > the average user will never even want to know what a tar ball is or how to > apt-get install a bin, and why should they? > > > > > > > Regards, > > -- > Markus > > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 12:35 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > You have to admit though, sometimes one really wants to do exactly that. :) > > Windows can be frustrating if one is used to something more... serviceable. > > > Cavin Mugarura < [email protected] > wrote: > > When doing a migration you have to use your brain > > Not scorched earth policy, by dousing every computer with windows with > gasoline and setting it ablaze > > > T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network > > "Markus A. Wipfler" < [email protected] > wrote: > >> >> >> >>> Interesting if you join a company you can convince them to migrate to Linux >> >> Why would you do that??? Imagine you are the new sys admin at xyz company >> in charge of backend services running enterprise microsoft software like >> Exchange, Active Directory, Sharepoint which are used by hundreds or >> thousands of users. >> Now since you love linux and believe that linux is like a super patch that >> fixes any computer problem, you suggest to management that you want to >> migrate all backend services to linux. I am not saying its impossible > but is > it feasible? You can drive your car with your feet but it does't necesarily > make it a good idea. What I am saying is that just using Linux for Linux sake > is plain stupid. >> >> Remember a couple of years ago Germany's government tried to make a switch >> to Linux (backend + frontend) which sadly failed and now they are back to >> running windows. The problem in their case basically boiled down to 3 >> issues: >> >> - hardware support (too many printers, scanners, etc.. just didn't work when >> they where plugged into linux desktops / laptops and the amount of support >> and time required to make them work) >> - interoperability (its hard migrating away from proprietary software, >> especially Ms Office / Exchange combo) >> - training and user adoption (reluctancy of staff to use new, unfamiliar >> software, cost / time of training staff) >> >> As far as I can see the best chance linux (AND Linux Admins) have here in >> Uganda is in the market of S > oHo and > SME's. Here Linux could be used as a cost effective and even superior > alternative to propriatary software with a relatively low learning curve for > end users. (Employes still use outlook, ms office but with linux backend, > firewall, router, directory service, intra/extra net,etc…) >> >> IMHO Linux will always be a niche OS. Why blindly advocate it to everyone? >> It reminds me of some saved people I know, who believe everyone else is >> going straight to hell if you don't join them. LOL. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Markus >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> If you fail to do so, blame yourself >>> >>> In my local language there's a saying "bamusella omukatale yatongana >>> noruguddo" literally translated as "he was charged high prices at the >>> market and he is now quarrelling with the road >>> >>> If you are referring to job posting s advertising fo > r > Microsoft skills that's another issue >>> >>> This issue is actually a side show >>> What is more important is to promote Linux on a bigger scale in government, >>> schools, private sector and non profits >>> >>> Of course outfits like LUG have tried but with dismal results >>> >>> Sometime back I wrote how entities like LUG, IT companies can work together >>> and promote Linux but I guess my proposal fell on deaf ears >>> >>> LUG meetup s are good but most times when I look at the agenda, it s not >>> different from a pastor preaching to a choir >>> >>> >>> "Stephen S. Musoke" < [email protected] > wrote: >>> >>>> Ronald, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You are wrong. Windows flourishes because it is already at the desktop, so >>>> is much easier to integrate at the Server end. > Truth > be told, Windows is >>>> becoming better at the backend and is also very good at integrating with >>>> Linux/Unix (MSFT/Novelle) partnership. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You will not find a truly homogenous environment, you will find Windows >>>> for >>>> File/Print/Active Directory and *nix at the database and application >>>> server >>>> levels, and in virtualized applicatons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>> Of >>>> Ronald Kato Odongo >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:37 AM >>>> To: Uganda Linux User Group >>>> Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators? >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> It would be be up to us interested in Linux administration to go out and >>>> offer it as an alternative to Windows. Windows is flourishing due in part >>>> to >>>> ignorance about Linux technologies. If we pushed Linux harder into the >>>> market, then the market would realize it's enormous advantage over >>>> windows. >>>> Sometimes the best products are ignored because not enough has been put in >>>> promoting them. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Robert Muwanga < [email protected] > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On a curious note, I have seen a lot of companies that utilise Microsoft >>>> Server backend systems but unless it is the big telco boys (and banks) I >>>> haven't heard of an interest in Linux for either backend or front end in >>>> Uganda in particular. >>>> >>>> So, the > question is, what's people's opinion with regards on the demand for >>>> Linux in Uganda? is it rising? is it shrinking or stagnant? And in effect, >>>> what is the demand for Linux administrators in the country? >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>> >>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>> [email protected] >>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] / >>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>> >>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted b > y > INFOCOM: >>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug / >>>> >>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>>> attachments if any). 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